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#1 CanTrustMe

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 06:03

I've noticed that people are doing the usual 'text slap' calls more often these days and I'd simply like to point out that this aggressive nature never used to be around. It IS possible for the graphics section to run without people calling text slap in every thread.
If you see something and you feel inclined to comment negatively, either offer advice to help them improve or don't say anything. It's getting a little out of hand and it's up to the point where people creating competitions are being insulted for their 'poor taste'.
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#2 Sahardy

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 06:19

I don't yell "t3xt sl@p!!!1!!11!!one!!!"
If it appears to be a "text slap" which 9 times out of 10 I can't tell cause I don't know the original picture. I usually give them a link to the free tut sticky or something and say "You should try and get better and then try again!" or "Try making out freebies and see what people see!" and... "Make a CnC thread of all your work and professionals will help!"

Something that's helpful, but in a way tells them they're not hot sheet.

But if someone is like...
"Making avitars! For 1 FSP I will make you one, 5 FSP I will make it 200x200 and for 5 gazillion I'll put your name on it!"

Then the hatred arises. Some people are not interested in learning, or advancing. They just want to make money. And it always shows, that greedy people produce shotty material.

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#3 CanTrustMe

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 06:25

All valid arguments, but the point that keeps arising, is that most people won't buy from people like that, therefore there is no need to comment. If people do happen to buy their work that's their business.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 06:58

All valid arguments, but the point that keeps arising, is that most people won't buy from people like that, therefore there is no need to comment. If people do happen to buy their work that's their business.



A lot of the time people are misguided (lied to). By the people (Text slappers if you will.) saying that there art is "High quality, fully customized avatars!" in FSBox or something. And they make a lot of money doing just that. Using photobucket editor.

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#5 Woot

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 08:33

Most people who point out text slaps aggressively in a contest are only doing it for the reward. That makes them just as bad as the person who posted the text slap no matter how good their art is. I'm glad that I don't do that anymore :)

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 08:34

All of these arguments from both sides are valid. While I try not to be too harsh to the people here, I can easily lose sight of who wants honest CnC on their work (even then I'm usually somewhat harsh), and who is just posting to promote bad business at an attempt to steal our customers.

That sort of thing I won't tolerate. People who are ignorant about these scammers don't know the difference between us and them, and at times don't care if it ends up saving them 1 FSP and it replaces the original avatar.

Nobody should be harsh right off the bat, but if the OP displays that he/she is NOT willing to learn, nor appreciates CnC, or is a blatant attempt at customer abduction, I say we utterly destroy them with flame and spam. It may make enemies, but let's face it, would you really want someone who makes attempts to steal customers as an ally?

I didn't think so.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 08:39

P.S.

I do think some of the artists that do textslap have a lot of potential for greatness, most of the time it's obvious in the work they show us.

Most people who point out text slaps aggressively in a contest are only doing it for the reward. That makes them just as bad as the person who posted the text slap no matter how good their art is. I'm glad that I don't do that anymore :)


Agreed, to a point however. In a contest we could have one of the ignorant customers I was talking about. If that is the case then I think the contest holder needs to be informed what is real and what isn't. Because not only is it for the reward, it's for repeat business from that contest holder as well.

#8 fs_fourbrezio

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 09:03

Sorry for posting all my thoughts in this thread but it seemed appropriate :)

so a common theme seems to be popping up...

Not all images need any doctoring up, they're fine just the way they are. Someone goes out and finds something they think is interesting, turns it into an avatar with a minimum of dressing up, who cares? Since when is the way you do it, the only way?


This is not directed at you, just using your post as an example :)

We can plainly see the logic in this. But if any of this is true, why not just post links to photobucket editor in a contest thread? Let OP do it him/herself.

And if this is true, why do photomanipulations exist? why is there any type of art besides photography and drawing?

I'll let others decipher their own answers, as it is 2am here. Goodnight.

#9 Haloartist

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:06

I believe that this is pointed toward me a little bit. Well tbh, if I see something that looks like what it is. I refuse to lie. I will tell them straight out, now how they handle that is their business. If they want to know how to get better they will seek help if not they will just quit.

So I will continue to do what I do, if you don't like my style well... get over it. I am just unbelievably tired of all the text slapping going on..

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#10 Bunnybee

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 16:23

I do like your style though, didn't I say as much? I thought I did.

Of course I'm interested in advancing. I think I'm getting better, but maybe I'm wrong. I still don't feel like every picture needs to be changed in order to be valid. I still feel like you should respect the image, some are best left alone, or nearly so. Going out and finding them is part of it all, isn't it? It's about your taste having value, in a basic sense. And some of those very basic changes, not all people are capable of them. I remember feeling over the moon when someone took something I liked, and got it down to 200x200 for me, still keeping the clarity. I didn't know how to do that! :shock:

I think I can see where you're coming from. It's easy to develop a bit of an elitist attitude when you get good at something. You worked hard at it, you made it your own, you're proud of that. Pvp'ers do it, levelers do it, you find yourself abandoning an inclusive mind set and drifting toward exclusive. The problem with that is you can make people feel bad, and stop trying.

I've tried to quit a few times, only thing that brought me back is I enjoy it so much. :?

#11 fs_licker

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 16:39

Thanks for bringing it up.

3 Facts about creating an original Avatar. you need-
1. An original picture (Personally drawn or computer rendered)
2. made from an original concept (No starwars, narutos, unless you are the original artist of the anime)
3. Using original fonts the designer made himself, if's not an original, it's picture-slapping lol

It is possible to do something like that, but professionals know that it takes hell of a lot of time and not feasible to do under $60, and thats already 400 FSP.

So to me there is no need to fix what is not broken, if the original picture is already perfectly suited, there is no need to overwork it.

People who don't even know what the term typography is should not use the term text slapping. They probably would not know good typography if it bit them in the ass.

#12 Sahardy

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 17:36

People who don't even know what the term typography is should not use the term text slapping. They probably would not know good typography if it bit them in the ass.


Typography: Making art by arranging words.


(Merriam Dictionary)

ty·pog·ra·phy
\tī-ˈpä-grə-fē\ noun
Definition of TYPOGRAPHY
1
: letterpress printing
2
: the style, arrangement, or appearance of typeset matter

As for...

3 Facts about creating an original Avatar. you need-
1. An original picture (Personally drawn or computer rendered)
Or a photograph. Or any other type of media.
2. made from an original concept (No starwars, narutos, unless you are the original artist of the anime)
'All art is either recreation or revolutionary'--We sure as hell ain't starting a revolution.
3. Using original fonts the designer made himself, if's not an original, it's picture-slapping lol
The original fonts that come with the computer are not copyrighted, and a good amount of fonts on dafonts.com allows you to use freely for commercial purposes.

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@BunnyBee

Yes, I understand what you're saying. Sometimes I don't like a picture being abused by effects and smudging and what not. But, the least a person could do is sharpen, blur, change lighting, hues and all that simple stuff. Taking like, a normal photograph and giving it an epic feeling.

But 'textslappers' tend to search and find great pictures. Then put Papyrus,Times new roman or a bleeding font on top of it. Then people who look to buy an avatar, go "Wow! That's a cool picture!" Probably not knowing where it originally coming from, and having no clue of what additional doctoring they did. Sometimes, not even making it 200x200 or JPEG.
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Well tbh, if I see something that looks like what it is. I refuse to lie. I will tell them straight out, now how they handle that is their business. If they want to know how to get better they will seek help if not they will just quit.


I agree with this, tough love. As most 'textslappers' don't want to get better, all they seek is money. (Even if you tell them, that if they get better they get more money.)
So, we want text slappers to quit. We want students of art to continue. Anyone willing enough to keep learning as difficult as it as first. Then kudos to them. We've all been there. We know how confusing each program is. (Be it GIMP or PS) That there is so much you can do, and so much you don't know what to do.
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Post 1.

Usually people who 'text slap' go. "Hey! shuddap! Mines am the best in fallenswords!" and boast how great their work is. We all feel some sort of pride when we make something cool, they just think that what they made is cool. (Imagine them being cavemen making a fire, and us being space marines cooking galactic spacefood!)

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I don't mean to brag, but I make a mean weedrat stew.
That, and I have never made an official textslap.
My first manipulated photos was 'Pikachu' doing crazy things like robbing Asian supermarkets and and flashing gang signs at tigers. (Unfortunately these were all lost.) And then I found this game, so I had some knowledge of the program. If I had not, probably I too would have made text slaps.

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No commento.
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People who put time and effort into their work, don't want it to be wasted by a text slapper.



Sahardy....out!

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#13 Rasputin

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 18:01

What I teach in my graphic art and drawing class at USU is this; one thing is for certain aggressive, rude, demeaning, and hurtful remarks or criticism about someone's art (no matter what level of expertise the artist may be at) will not help the individual grow as an artist. It can only hinder the learning experience and might draw the artist away from becoming great and enjoying the arts.

You can tell when someone is just doing it for a quick FSP (being lazy) and when they are working on their art in general. So please be more careful before you post your default "text slapper" remarks and try to help the artist become better!

The worst thing in my experience is when someone says something very hurtful and we lose a person that had great potential to become an awesome artist. Art is a learning process and will always be one, because it changes all the time.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 18:14

"The original fonts that come with the computer are not copyrighted, and a good amount of fonts on dafonts.com allows you to use freely for commercial purposes."

Copyright or not you are missing the point. If you did not create the font, it's not original, you are picture slapping. Wahahah I love this term.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 18:20

"The original fonts that come with the computer are not copyrighted, and a good amount of fonts on dafonts.com allows you to use freely for commercial purposes."

Copyright or not you are missing the point. If you did not create the font, it's not original, you are picture slapping. Wahahah I love this term.



Thats it, pick out one little thing in a very constructive post. If you refuse to consider the other persons view point it no longer becomes a discussion, but an argument. Dont try to derail a meaningful discussion.


As for my stance, I just ignore the ones that arent looking to get better, and try to help the ones that ask for it here.

#16 Sahardy

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 18:29

What I teach in my graphic art and drawing class at USU is this; one thing is for certain aggressive, rude, demeaning, and hurtful remarks or criticism about someone's art (no matter what level of expertise the artist may be at) will not help the individual grow as an artist. It can only hinder the learning experience and might draw the artist away from becoming great and enjoying the arts.

You can tell when someone is just doing it for a quick FSP (being lazy) and when they are working on their art in general. So please be more careful before you post your default "text slapper" remarks and try to help the artist become better!

The worst thing in my experience is when someone says something very hurtful and we lose a person that had great potential to become an awesome artist. Art is a learning process and will always be one, because it changes all the time.



Very true, but.
I'm certain that a good amount of the 'text slappers' have little to no interest in getting better.
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If someone yells "T3xt s1app3rrzz!!!"
The person will respond with "What is an a text slapperz?"
Then someone will go "It's when you just put text on a picture n00b!"
The person will then. "*Cries*"

But in another scenario where the person isn't a total ass.

"This appears to be a text slap. Yes, I am almost certain. I will take this up with my colleges in our next business meeting."
"What is a text slap? Oh kind and noble knight?"
"It is when only text is applied to an image, here, take a look at these good tutorial sites:
http://www.vlatutorials.ru
http://www.mesotutorial.ja
http://www.tutorialeh.ca"

You can be hurtful, as long as your polite about it
(Pardon if it is all gibberish, I are is not feeling well right now.)

@Licker

This is an online video game.
We are creating and selling art for purple orbs or other in-game currency/items.
1 out of 1000 avatars/signatures made here. Are 100% original.

My view on something original in this game, is seeing an avatar or signature doing something that has not been done before.

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#17 fs_licker

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 18:31

You can tell when someone is just doing it for a quick FSP (being lazy) and when they are working on their art in general. So please be more careful before you post your default "text slapper" remarks and try to help the artist become better!


I understand this coming from a teachers perceptive. Fast FSP... even if FSP could be converted back to cash, how much should an original piece be worth in order for an artist to make a living?

Let say 40 FSP. WOW thats soooooo much! Thats actually only $6 worth. Honestly, What do you expect an artist to produce for $6 in real life? Thats about 10 mins of their time worth in commercial value. Minus the scanning and uploading that leaves 5 mins. They are better off working an extra hour off freelance than spending 20 hours of avatar making to get the same amount of FSP.

I believe in life you get what you work for, but the fact is that we are all just doing this for fun and laughter peace and joy. When its considered leisure, laziness is not a factor at all.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 18:35

Thats it, pick out one little thing in a very constructive post. If you refuse to consider the other persons view point it no longer becomes a discussion, but an argument. Dont try to derail a meaningful discussion.

As for my stance, I just ignore the ones that arent looking to get better, and try to help the ones that ask for it here.


I don't see a point in quoting those cos I agree with them. Don't get so defensive.

Getting better yes. How about paying commercial rates for their time? Plus I don't see anyone out to buy avatars specifically looking for truly original ones that are not based on any existing ideas.

#19 Sahardy

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 18:36


You can tell when someone is just doing it for a quick FSP (being lazy) and when they are working on their art in general. So please be more careful before you post your default "text slapper" remarks and try to help the artist become better!


I understand this coming from a teachers perceptive. Fast FSP... even if FSP could be converted back to cash, how much should an original piece be worth in order for an artist to make a living?

Let say 40 FSP. WOW thats soooooo much! Thats actually only $6 worth. Honestly, What do you expect an artist to produce for $6 in real life? Thats about 10 mins of their time worth in commercial value. Minus the scanning and uploading that leaves 5 mins. They are better off working an extra hour off freelance than spending 20 hours of avatar making to get the same amount of FSP.

I believe in life you get what you work for, but the fact is that we are all just doing this for fun and laughter peace and joy. When its considered leisure, laziness is not factor in at all.



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My previous post.

We're in a virtual world right now. We aren't selling ad's for Nike and Coca Cola and stuff.
Some guy or gal over the internet wants a warrior or huntress doing something snazzy and has their name on it.

You want to make original pieces of work, so you can get your bread and water for the night. Go ahead.

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#20 lostviking

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 18:39

Besides abstract, nothing can really be made that isnt based on an existing idea, or a collection of existing ideas.


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