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#241 fs_robotussin

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:04

Actually, its..

No matching VL/AL = No exp loss, No gold loss and 50% rating transfer on any pvp combats that person initiates.



so if my vl/al doesnt match, i can clear my friends off of the BB with 0 xp loss, 0 gold loss and reduced pvp point loss?


or does pvp not include bb?

#242 fs_regnier7

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:06

Actually, its..

No matching VL/AL = No exp loss, No gold loss and 50% rating transfer on any pvp combats that person initiates.



so if my vl/al doesnt match, i can clear my friends off of the BB with 0 xp loss, 0 gold loss and reduced pvp point loss?

I'm pretty sure he's not talking about on the board hits. People on there are on it for a reason, so that is a completely different story.

#243 Mister Doom

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:07

The only thing needed is for xp loss to be taken away, anything else is superfluous.

There's no reason to take it away, that's why it should stay. I won't get into all the arguments about pvp being a gold sink or free banking...


BS, there would still be other players ready and waiting to hit you for your gold if you were holding lots. Sorry that argument just doesn't float.

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#244 fs_nthnclls

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:08

Actually, its..

No matching VL/AL = No exp loss, No gold loss and 50% rating transfer on any pvp combats that person initiates.



so if my vl/al doesnt match, i can clear my friends off of the BB with 0 xp loss, 0 gold loss and reduced pvp point loss?


or does pvp not include bb?


The first one, I hope. :lol:

And almost everyone else I've seen has just said take away xp loss only, and only after dropping 5/3/whatever levels.

And Shardoom, that argument works a lot better than simply saying "why not", which is what your argument seems to be.

#245 Mister Doom

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:48

And Shardoom, that argument works a lot better than simply saying "why not", which is what your argument seems to be.


No, it should be taken away to force the pvp'ers to regain their lost level (s) in order to continue enjoying their aspect of the game.

Just like non-pvp'ers are forced to partake in pvp (forced to do something they never chose to) if someone chooses to target them.

The only major difference would be that pvp'ers would already KNOW that they may be forced to level if they get dropped and wish to continue smacking people and doing damage.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:50



And Shardoom, that argument works a lot better than simply saying "why not", which is what your argument seems to be.


No, it should be taken away to force the pvp'ers to regain their lost level (s) in order to continue enjoying their aspect of the game.

Just like non-pvp'ers are forced to partake in pvp (forced to do something they never chose to) if someone chooses to target them.

The only major difference would be that pvp'ers would already KNOW that they may be forced to level if they get dropped and wish to continue smacking people and doing damage.


They would have to regain their lost levels if they want to take xp from anyone, which is that only part of pvp that non-pvpers truly can't do anything about. Gold can be hidden.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:52



The only thing needed is for xp loss to be taken away, anything else is superfluous.

There's no reason to take it away, that's why it should stay. I won't get into all the arguments about pvp being a gold sink or free banking...


BS, there would still be other players ready and waiting to hit you for your gold if you were holding lots. Sorry that argument just doesn't float.


Xp and reduced rating exchange for one level sure, I wouldn't see that as too bad. (though I think rating exchange is fine left alone)

But gold loss.... shouldn't be so easy. If you want to -completely- 'defang' a PvPer. It should take at least five to ten levels taken from them. The board has a max of five, so may as well use it for something.

#248 Mister Doom

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:52

They would have to regain their lost levels if they want to take xp from anyone, which is that only part of pvp that non-pvpers truly can't do anything about. Gold can be hidden.


So what if gold can be hidden, what has that got to do with anything. Levels can also be regained if you want to steal more gold. Whats your point?

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#249 Mister Doom

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:53

The board has a max of five, so may as well use it for something.


It WOULD be used for 'something' it would force pvp'ers to level back up even further to attack other players and do damage again..

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 16:58



They would have to regain their lost levels if they want to take xp from anyone, which is that only part of pvp that non-pvpers truly can't do anything about. Gold can be hidden.


So what if gold can be hidden, what has that got to do with anything. Levels can also be regained if you want to steal more gold. Whats your point?


My point is that the whole reason for this suggestion is to give levellers a chance to get out of a pvper's range. Taking away xp loss from the pvper accomplishes this. Taking away gold loss does not. And actually, if someone spends stamina 100 stamming people for gold when they're down a few levels, that's less stamina they can use to level back up, and probably more xp they lose due to bounties, making it take longer for them to gain their xp again anyway.

And my point in saying that gold can be hidden is that whenever someone gets hit for gold, it's half the defender's fault for having that much gold in the first place (unless the pvper got lucky and stumbled upon them during the 5 seconds that they had a lot of gold).

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:03

And my point in saying that gold can be hidden is that whenever someone gets hit for gold, it's half the defender's fault for having that much gold in the first place (unless the pvper got lucky and stumbled upon them during the 5 seconds that they had a lot of gold).


Sorry but that complete and utter BS. What about the dodgy pvp'ers who like to refresh the find player screen and watch people hunt?

No, de-fang them and de-fang them completely. If they want to take exp and gold and lots of rating make them work for it.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:35

And my point in saying that gold can be hidden is that whenever someone gets hit for gold, it's half the defender's fault for having that much gold in the first place (unless the pvper got lucky and stumbled upon them during the 5 seconds that they had a lot of gold).


Sorry but that complete and utter BS. What about the dodgy pvp'ers who like to refresh the find player screen and watch people hunt?

No, de-fang them and de-fang them completely. If they want to take exp and gold and lots of rating make them work for it.


Are you out of your mind. This would penalize the PvPer. This just cannot be allowed.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:38

Are you out of your mind. This would penalize the PvPer. This just cannot be allowed.


Oh? And why is that?

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#254 sohail94

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:42

Are you out of your mind. This would penalize the PvPer. This just cannot be allowed.


Oh? And why is that?

rofl

#255 fs_coyotik

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 20:28

Are you out of your mind. This would penalize the PvPer. This just cannot be allowed.


Oh? And why is that?

rofl


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#256 sweetlou

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 20:43

It is funny to me how both you guys want to avoid playing a MAJOR aspect of the game! If ANY of the devs decisions had an adverse reaction to the game's popularity, don't you think they would correct their cash cow, pun intended? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news to those who are late to the ball(i.e. players just waking up), but PvP is becoming more inclusive to ALL levels of play. Before a player could 'hide' at or near the EOC and avoid PvP. Not anymore!

I welcome any and all PvP additions/upgrades to the game. It took too long. Maybe that was a reason there are a few 'holdouts' to accepting the undeniable fact that PvP ain't going anywhere but up...

What I can sympathize with are those players who decided to donate substantial amounts of money based on avoiding to play PvP, only to find their 'game world' up-side-down so to speak. Read the disclaimers in the TOS and remember, "____ happens!" Anyone donating has to understand there is a reasonable risk that things can change that they may not like.

The recipe to turn the Mace into a Flail? Cool with me. Keep them coming...


Bahaha, because you and a few of your mates have bullied people off of the forums, giving the devs a false view of what the FS community actually wants you think pvp is taking over FS? Get real, you can't be that naive...

Who is bullying? Your self-righteousness makes you think your word is that of the whole or even a small part of the FS community. It is not! I make arguments instead of calling others names. I play the whole game. You troll the forums frequently and still all of the repeated attempts to turn this game into a leveling-only oasis have failed. Keep it up. Thankfully your lack of tact convincing the devs is obvious for them to see. Posting numbers don't persuade them, sound arguments do and it's not how many times you say the same thing but the quality of the ideas that are presented. Playing the martyr, fearless and unfettered by whatever you imagine is a threat, is petty. Please check your ego at the keyboard.

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#257 fs_x0xskyex0x

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 20:55

I fail to see any Ego in doom's posts.

And personally, it drives me insane when PvP players claim they play the "whole game." There are so many different aspects to this game, and really not that much stam to burn so it isn't even possible to play the whole game. Even if you could, you probably wouldn't even like the whole game.

I don't want to see PvP gone.. I don't really have any problems with it, but if your implying that PvPers are the majority in the game.. I'm 99 percent certain that you are wrong. Honestly, there's no way to prove either way, so in the end it's a mute point. Doom may overstate the problem with levelers not wanting to give feedback.. but he does have a point. Whenever a leveler gives feedback, their topic always gets overrun by PvP players who just start flaming. Why not just shut up and let them have their say? The devs aren't stupid.. they'll know when an idea is worth looking at and when it's not. It doesn't have to be your personal job to go in there and flame their idea under the pretense of "giving feedback" just because you don't like it or it doesn't fit your game play style. Be the better person.. Then Doom won't be able to say that you give the Dev's a false view, because you're letting the other side speak and not drowning them out with your shouting. "Bully" may be the wrong word.. but you're certainly something.

#258 KitiaraLi

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 21:06

I fail to see any Ego in doom's posts.

And personally, it drives me insane when PvP players claim they play the "whole game." There are so many different aspects to this game, and really not that much stam to burn so it isn't even possible to play the whole game. Even if you could, you probably wouldn't even like the whole game.


Mute point, nobody likes the arena :lol: On a serious note, some actually do partake in everything the game has to offer...

Whenever a leveler gives feedback, their topic always gets overrun by PvP players who just start flaming. Why not just shut up and let them have their say? The devs aren't stupid.. they'll know when an idea is worth looking at and when it's not. It doesn't have to be your personal job to go in there and flame their idea under the pretense of "giving feedback" just because you don't like it or it doesn't fit your game play style. Be the better person.. Then Doom won't be able to say that you give the Dev's a false view, because you're letting the other side speak and not drowning them out with your shouting. "Bully" may be the wrong word.. but you're certainly something.


Funny.. I could say the exact same thing about for instance shardoom whenever it comes to PvP related issues... weird how that works huh?

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#259 fs_x0xskyex0x

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 21:07

Hence the "be the better person"

(Edit cause the last part was to sarcastic o.O)

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 21:12

Hence the "be the better person"

Read more thoroughly next time please <3


Nope, read it throughly enough. Sometimes it's just a better solution to have as many opinions on a matter as possible.. often so actually. Sometimes PvPers have a different look at things, compared to levelers.. and GvGers, and farmers, and inventors, and titan hunter, and SE hunters etc etc etc etc. Calling for one block of the game to shut up, is just down right silly. And I do know, that sometimes the odd PvPer asks a leveler to just go away in a thread, but.. it's hard to listen to someone who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.. and even more clearly are not willing to even try to understand what's going on... so, sadly.. none of us are the better person.

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