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#21 sweetlou

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 06:29

For instance, you're a level 900. That shows some degree of attachment to this game, and I don't believe it's only just because you play this game. You shows a high level of dedication, you actively participated in forum. You are trying to assert your identity by statements which shows your particular perspectives on this game. You're trying to show that you're exist. So no, I don't think that you consider Fallensword as "just a game". In other words, you ARE a part of the Fallensword society.

Yet, different guild -in this sense functions as a community- often provides a different set of value and perspectives. Some guilds have a strong set of norms and value, and really functions as an institution to define the identity, expected role, and social responsibility of their member. Some guilds have a much weaker set of value and norm, in which the member mostly develop their identity based on other environment besides virtual [fallensword]. It could be based on other institution, such as, family, school, religious group, etc.

Granted, there many factors affecting the development of individual identity, especially for the identity used in the virtual environment. But Fallensword, does function as a society which accommodate both the development and implementation of individual [or group] identity, even when you a "everything's-fair-as-long-as-doesn't-violate-ToS" PvP-er

I hope this is enough to end the "This Is Just a Game ROTFL-LMAO" bs.
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First, thanks for the thought provoking post. It is why I enjoy posting actually. But no, it doesn't change the fact that this is just a game to me. Sorry. If you want to read more into what I wrote, up to you. We are all different, even if the difference is minuscule or vast.

If people want to create their identity based on an online game, so be it. Personally, I think it isn't healthy psychologically.The world we delve into while playing isn't tangible until two or more players meet in person and even then we are meeting actual people and not their characters. So the psyche each person plays is a fictional one, a role-playing character if you will. Hence the game's description. It is entertainment, like reading a book. It is funny to me if you think about it, the character each of us plays isn't even owned by us but by HCS. But I don't want to go off on a tangent..

Yes, actual people play online games. However, only emotionally are they invested if they want and not physically so to relate intangible actions to real world ones while playing is false. I don't understand how a 'character' stealing fictional gold is a thief, for example. That's what we playfully call them but we aren't also going around in day-to-day life killing creatures or mobs using buffs and potions with swords and helmets that have attack and damage, are we? Players are too often overwhelmed by their emotions that they don't differentiate between being fictionally attacked playing this game and being physically assaulted in reality. They see it as one in the same. Then nasty messages are sent, threats of retribution, and many other reactions. So forth and so on. It's laughable and child-like to me frankly until I remind myself that there are many juveniles playing, even adult-aged ones.

Again, IT IS JUST A GAME! Or maybe it's better to re-evaluate what direction in life one is headed...

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#22 Admiral Memo

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:21

I know that sounds harsh but you do not kick a person when they are down.

This is why I've never gotten into PvP... I've always been "down" and people keep kicking me to keep me there.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:30

First, thanks for the thought provoking post. It is why I enjoy posting actually. But no, it doesn't change the fact that this is just a game to me. Sorry. If you want to read more into what I wrote, up to you. We are all different, even if the difference is minuscule or vast.

If people want to create their identity based on an online game, so be it. Personally, I think it isn't healthy psychologically.The world we delve into while playing isn't tangible until two or more players meet in person and even then we are meeting actual people and not their characters. So the psyche each person plays is a fictional one, a role-playing character if you will. Hence the game's description. It is entertainment, like reading a book. It is funny to me if you think about it, the character each of us plays isn't even owned by us but by HCS. But I don't want to go off on a tangent..

Yes, actual people play online games. However, only emotionally are they invested if they want and not physically so to relate intangible actions to real world ones while playing is false. I don't understand how a 'character' stealing fictional gold is a thief, for example. That's what we playfully call them but we aren't also going around in day-to-day life killing creatures or mobs using buffs and potions with swords and helmets that have attack and damage, are we? Players are too often overwhelmed by their emotions that they don't differentiate between being fictionally attacked playing this game and being physically assaulted in reality. They see it as one in the same. Then nasty messages are sent, threats of retribution, and many other reactions. So forth and so on. It's laughable and child-like to me frankly until I remind myself that there are many juveniles playing, even adult-aged ones.

Again, IT IS JUST A GAME! Or maybe it's better to re-evaluate what direction in life one is headed...


Thats all well and good and whatnot. However the bottom line is that this thread was created out of pure good-will. People posting and claiming that they care not for the sentiment and claiming that its just a game blah blah blah changes nothing. Mocking people for trying to be good people, even in a simulated situation and THEN having the nerve to comment on their psychological state and their direction in life is pretty much arrogance personified.

Can you not get your head around the possibility that some people are just 'nice'? Sure on the opposite side of that coin some people are just low morality scumbags, but then you can't really complain when people call them out for what they are, can you.

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#24 Mister Doom

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:37

what was the point of this thread


Helping to rebuild bluebarons guild after it got hacked.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:41

oh ok i read the first post and it says DON'T attack him this brings loads of attention his way maybe i should post and say don't attack me


I don't think this would help you at all Dennis, everyone has pretty much decided whether they want to attack you or not.

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#26 Mister Doom

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:46

Yeah, Dennis?

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 17:49

what makes you think my name is dennis


Dennis Hilbert? Oh I don't know, just a wild guess...

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 18:24

I don't think this would help you at all Dennis, everyone has pretty much decided whether they want to attack you or not.

Dennis?

Yeah, Dennis?

What makes you think my name is Dennis?

I thought it was Sandra.

#29 Mister Doom

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 18:27

Not..

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#30 sweetlou

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 20:54


First, thanks for the thought provoking post. It is why I enjoy posting actually. But no, it doesn't change the fact that this is just a game to me. Sorry. If you want to read more into what I wrote, up to you. We are all different, even if the difference is minuscule or vast.

If people want to create their identity based on an online game, so be it. Personally, I think it isn't healthy psychologically.The world we delve into while playing isn't tangible until two or more players meet in person and even then we are meeting actual people and not their characters. So the psyche each person plays is a fictional one, a role-playing character if you will. Hence the game's description. It is entertainment, like reading a book. It is funny to me if you think about it, the character each of us plays isn't even owned by us but by HCS. But I don't want to go off on a tangent..

Yes, actual people play online games. However, only emotionally are they invested if they want and not physically so to relate intangible actions to real world ones while playing is false. I don't understand how a 'character' stealing fictional gold is a thief, for example. That's what we playfully call them but we aren't also going around in day-to-day life killing creatures or mobs using buffs and potions with swords and helmets that have attack and damage, are we? Players are too often overwhelmed by their emotions that they don't differentiate between being fictionally attacked playing this game and being physically assaulted in reality. They see it as one in the same. Then nasty messages are sent, threats of retribution, and many other reactions. So forth and so on. It's laughable and child-like to me frankly until I remind myself that there are many juveniles playing, even adult-aged ones.

Again, IT IS JUST A GAME! Or maybe it's better to re-evaluate what direction in life one is headed...


Thats all well and good and whatnot. However the bottom line is that this thread was created out of pure good-will. People posting and claiming that they care not for the sentiment and claiming that its just a game blah blah blah changes nothing. Mocking people for trying to be good people, even in a simulated situation and THEN having the nerve to comment on their psychological state and their direction in life is pretty much arrogance personified.

Can you not get your head around the possibility that some people are just 'nice'? Sure on the opposite side of that coin some people are just low morality scumbags, but then you can't really complain when people call them out for what they are, can you.

Someone loves to be argumentative for no reason! No prob.

Let the devs sort out whatever 'hacking' has occurred and the losses associated. That is their JOB. I like that a player wants to help another out to be 'nice' or for whatever reason. It's touching. Doesn't mean we need to forget the context to which the 'help' is based on, a silly game. So before you want to go around handing out blue ribbons and gold stars remember that!

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 21:06

And this is a perfect example of PvPers coming into a thread in which they did not need to comment on.. If you're going to hit, just hit. Don't be a drama queen and let everyone know first. We're not impressed. :|

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 21:18

And this is a perfect example of PvPers coming into a thread in which they did not need to comment on.. If you're going to hit, just hit. Don't be a drama queen and let everyone know first. We're not impressed. :|

Another forum cop wanna be... greeaaat.

Why are you labeling players PvPers? Do you lack any better argument? That must be it.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 22:16

:|

Anyone who PvPs is a PvPer..

Even if you are more then JUST a PvPer.. You are still a PvPer. Stop being so technical and easily offended.

IT IS JUST A GAME!



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Posted 06 September 2010 - 03:52

I did not even realize people were still posting to this thread. All payments except 40K gold have been in FSP.

I have farmed for 2 guilds so far and have a few more on my list.

Yes, I am crazy and sometimes have trouble with reality. If my father were not dying and I feeling a need to be there for him, I would still be living in Haiti. I love it there and I am useful. Here I am just a old lady that can tell stories of when I was useful.

Why do I help people, simple, I feel better about myself and the world when I see someone being helped, even if I am the helper. I grew up in the world of Ozzie and Harriet, Leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, Patty Duke Show, The Wonderful World of Disney, and the Donna Reed show. I was shown a make believe version of the world the I believed was real. I prefer to live in my fantasies of such a world and as much as possible help to create it.

I know I am mortal and accept my mortality. I am ready to die and accept whatever may come after if there is an after.

I consider all of "reality" an illusion created by interpretation of neurons. I know what you see, hear, smell, taste, feel are different from what I see, hear, smell, taste, and feel even when holding the same object. We just agree to call the sensations the same thing. If I look at an object I might call it red, but if you could receive a duplicate copy of the signal at the part of the brain that interprets you would call it blue. Similarly if you were to look at it you would also know it was red, but I could get the same signal I would think it was green. It is the filters of our eyes, the path in the brain, the final interpretation. But we agree the color is red because we have been taught to recognize that particular color as red.

No, to me the virtual world of the computer is just a microcosm of the virtual world of "reality". An illusion within an illusion. Much like a dream within a dream.

When you come down to it nothing is really important except others.

To me, the only things important in this world or any world are whether people help or hurt each other. That is the only reality that truly exists.

Now that you know how crazy I am, maybe you can understand why I get upset at people robbing others within the game and why I try helping others including within the game.


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