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Poll: Would you agree with this as a better pvp system (63 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you agree with this as a better pvp system

  1. Voted Yes (35 votes [54.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.69%

  2. Voted No (14 votes [21.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.88%

  3. Voted Needs more work (15 votes [23.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.44%

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#21 fs_kibora

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:23

simply leave the ability to bounty people, and I'd find it more acceptable. There has to be some risk to hitting anyone, if you PvP. Don't let that gold be free. ;)


and you can attack ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE ATTACKED YOU WITHIN THE LAST HOUR! makes the risk justa wee bit more there gov'nah!

#22 moonfrost

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:23

erosion only activates if you are being attacked, not attacking someone ;)

+0.1% per point chance to reduce an attackers item durability to 1 if durability damage is inflicted. Note this skill only works in PvP and if you are defending.


probably why i dont use it then, but lets not gloss over you getting posted

#23 fs_kibora

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:25

glossy cover only makes it shinier

#24 Leos3000

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:25

simply leave the ability to bounty people, and I'd find it more acceptable. There has to be some risk to hitting anyone, if you PvP. Don't let that gold be free. ;)


I guess leaving the option to bounty would be a good compromise to losing gold, and probably keep the board more active, I can edit that if most of you feel this should always be an option for being attacked?

#25 delver

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:29

I like the idea of a system where you can choose to be part of it or not, but this doesn't seem entirely fair:

Opting Out
2. You can not attack people
3. You can not bounty People
4. You can not Bounty hunt (which is part of # 2 I guess)



Opting In
4. You can Attack any player (1's opted out only lose gold however)



This paints a giant bullseye on people carrying gold. They are sitting ducks, because (even though they don't lose xp) they can be hit freely and do nothing about it: No bounty back, no hitting back, ...

In a black and white system, opting out should mean you can't be attacked, not for xp, not for gold, on one hand and losing the ability to attack or bounty or whatever on the other hand.

The middle way would be allow passive pvp if you opt out (create a bounty when being attacked) and reserve active pvp (attacking, bountyhunting, ...) for those who opt in.

I'm not really into pvp and of course i know there should be an incentive for pvp players, but it should still be fair. In the current system people with gold have a bullseye on them too, but at least the attacker risks something trying to get it and in my opinion, for the true pvp'er, that challenge/risk should much more incentive than free gold hits.


The Biggest thing I feel for an opt in vs opt out Idea is that there should always be more incentive to be opted in, and playing the entire game, then opting out and avoiding it.

There are a few incentives placed for people who opt out, like no xp loss, or now random attacks for pvp rating, but

There are also penalties in place for skipping out on the game, like still losing gold, and losing the ability to bounty gold hits.

Where if you want retribution for attacks on you all you have to do is opt into the system, its not like once you are opted in you have to attack players, it just gives you all the options of current game play, along with a little more incentive to do gold hits and SINK a lot more gold then is being sunk at the moment.


I have the feeling people would just opt in to have all the abilities but do nothing, kinda like it is now except that it can be interesting to hit people for gold who're opted out. But why would you opt out if opting in has more advantages? If you don't have gold on and keep a low rating, chances of being hit are low, but if you are bing hit, just hit back or bounty. If you really don't wanna lose xp, you can lock it. So i think the system would miss it's point because there's no real choice. If there were two real sides, it would be more interesting, for example if you opt in, you have to compete (with some sort of ranking) or you get a penalty of some sorts. That way there would be a reason to choose for one system or the other, instead of opting in and hide.

#26 moonfrost

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:31

if you're choosing to opt-out of pvp in a game that was created as a pvp game then you should choose a different game...i suggest this one

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#27 Leos3000

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:41

ok edited it to where you can still bounty people for gold hits, and added a Poll since SandraB is obsessed with those lol

#28 moonfrost

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:45

yeah sand, im aware theres more to it and if you glance down my medals you'll see i've explored those other facets of the game too and not just pvp

#29 fs_sollimaw

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:47

I am so freaking sick of people wanting to opt out of PvP so I say, just give them that option. We wont hear the whining anymore. Split the game into 2. Split the forums into 2. I never wanna hear or see someone that doesnt believe PvP should be in this game again.

No switching between worlds, one choice only. Players when creating a character are asked to choose Hardcore, or Pansy. There is no interaction between the 2 worlds. In one world, gold and exp gain are reduced by 25% but there is no PvP. In the other, there are no penalties and things continue as normal.

In 6 months when the marketplce in the Non PvP world reaches 500k each, the PvP world will still be at or near its current level. Enjoy your doomed life in a boring world with no danger.

#30 fs_theoryman

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:50

The great thing about this thread is it is being suggested by a player that currently is untouchable (due to high level and attack level range) in PvP combat outside the BB. :lol:

#31 Leos3000

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:53

The great thing about this thread is it is being suggested by a player that currently is untouchable (due to high level and attack level range) in PvP combat outside the BB. :lol:


There are always ways to opt out of pvp you just have to be creative LMAO, but I would never choose to opt out of pvp, only reason I am not pvping now is 1 no one is in range, and 2 working on status of my best player silver, and 3 I am enjoying having 4 digits to my level, not ready to be deleveled just yet 8)

#32 moonfrost

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 21:58

The great thing about this thread is it is being suggested by a player that currently is untouchable (due to high level and attack level range) in PvP combat outside the BB. :lol:


There are always ways to opt out of pvp you just have to be creative LMAO, but I would never choose to opt out of pvp, only reason I am not pvping now is 1 no one is in range, and 2 working on status of my best player silver, and 3 I am enjoying having 4 digits to my level, not ready to be deleveled just yet 8)


get bountied and i'll take care of that for you

#33 grimnok

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 22:00

The point, for many, isn't really opting out of PvP, it's opting out of the completely indefensible XP loss. Frankly, I'd be for the opt out system even if it meant I lost double gold and lost the ability to bounty gold hits.

#34 fs_sollimaw

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 22:01

The point, for many, isn't really opting out of PvP, it's opting out of the completely indefensible XP loss. Frankly, I'd be for the opt out system even if it meant I lost double gold and lost the ability to bounty gold hits.



Then join the Non PvP world. 25% loss to exp and gold gain. No attacks of any kind, including GvG and the Arena. No more PvP. Cya.

#35 Leos3000

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 22:03

The great thing about this thread is it is being suggested by a player that currently is untouchable (due to high level and attack level range) in PvP combat outside the BB. :lol:


There are always ways to opt out of pvp you just have to be creative LMAO, but I would never choose to opt out of pvp, only reason I am not pvping now is 1 no one is in range, and 2 working on status of my best player silver, and 3 I am enjoying having 4 digits to my level, not ready to be deleveled just yet 8)


get bountied and i'll take care of that for you


when ever someone passes me in level we can dance moon, until then I am working on building all my pvp sets, and just staring at them but I will be ready when ever the time comes and look forward to the battle

#36 moonfrost

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 22:04

me too, i wanna make sure i earned that spot on your enemies list and continue to earn it

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 22:15

I am so freaking sick of people wanting to opt out of PvP so I say, just give them that option. We wont hear the whining anymore. Split the game into 2. Split the forums into 2. I never wanna hear or see someone that doesnt believe PvP should be in this game again.

No switching between worlds, one choice only. Players when creating a character are asked to choose Hardcore, or Pansy. There is no interaction between the 2 worlds. In one world, gold and exp gain are reduced by 25% but there is no PvP. In the other, there are no penalties and things continue as normal.

In 6 months when the marketplce in the Non PvP world reaches 500k each, the PvP world will still be at or near its current level. Enjoy your doomed life in a boring world with no danger.


What's the point of badmouthing people who would choose not to participate in the PvP side of the game? You obviously have contempt for such people, but that problem is yours, not HCS's or any other player's. You're doing more whining in this one post as 5 opt out threads put together. If someone's wishes on a *game* differ from yours so much, and you disagree with them, please find a more civilized way to state it; otherwise you risk sounding childish and petulant as you do here.


About the actual opt-out: I like it. Not allowing opted out players to bounty would be a good penalty for being protected from XP loss.

However, could an opted-out player gain PvP rating if they are attacked and the attacker loses? You wouldn't just have to set the opted-out players' rating to 0, you'd have to lock it there to avoid the trading.

I think it would be best to opt all players out by default, then, with every ladder reset. This way, near-inactives can't be farmed for rating, and newer players wouldn't come back to find some of their levels gone after a long absence. However, this would go hand-in-hand with an idea I've been cultivating, so I'll save it for when I post it.

#38 Ikkaru

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 22:24

It is good but needs work. The rule about not being able to attack but can still be hit for gold really isn't fair. I am an avid gold thief so I am not just crying. I know we must keep this gold sink in the game but that part of your idea needs to be ironed out. Maybe people that opt out can only hit for gold and nothing else.

#39 fs_regnier7

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 22:33

The point, for many, isn't really opting out of PvP, it's opting out of the completely indefensible XP loss. Frankly, I'd be for the opt out system even if it meant I lost double gold and lost the ability to bounty gold hits.

now how to agree to this without seeming like a leveler or like I'm sucking up.......... :|

#40 fs_sollimaw

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 22:50

I am so freaking sick of people wanting to opt out of PvP so I say, just give them that option. We wont hear the whining anymore. Split the game into 2. Split the forums into 2. I never wanna hear or see someone that doesnt believe PvP should be in this game again.

No switching between worlds, one choice only. Players when creating a character are asked to choose Hardcore, or Pansy. There is no interaction between the 2 worlds. In one world, gold and exp gain are reduced by 25% but there is no PvP. In the other, there are no penalties and things continue as normal.

In 6 months when the marketplce in the Non PvP world reaches 500k each, the PvP world will still be at or near its current level. Enjoy your doomed life in a boring world with no danger.


What's the point of badmouthing people who would choose not to participate in the PvP side of the game? You obviously have contempt for such people, but that problem is yours, not HCS's or any other player's. You're doing more whining in this one post as 5 opt out threads put together. If someone's wishes on a *game* differ from yours so much, and you disagree with them, please find a more civilized way to state it; otherwise you risk sounding childish and petulant as you do here.


Have you even read most of the Anti PvP threads lately? This was far tamer than most of the vilification against pvpers have been.

The only way to make everyone happy is to truly split everything. 2 worlds, one with PvP options, the other with only hunting and scavenging. Then we dont have to hear people whining about losing a little bit of exp and gold.

I dont PvP at all, but it serves many exceptionally valuable purposes in this game. There should never be anything resembling an opt out if the game is to remain healthy. If you really want it then fine, have it. Dont come whining back when the game dies because there is nothing left to do but hunt mindless creatures.


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