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#21 fs_skramble

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 20:13

it should be random a week. when you go past a week it starts to get alittle rediculous for people in top of the ladder to complete any bounty and come out with any pvp exchange. let alone find other pvper's near your range


I disagree, I think it should be random, If you are as good at PvP (or BH) as you think you are then you should have no problem staying in the top 10.


Yes it should be random. As far as staying on the top, players that bounty hunt can stay there easily. Players that currently and actively PvP, will not show on the list. Have to state currently, for a lot of PvPers no longer direct PvP because of Rating

#22 fs_gravely

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 20:14

I'm cool with it being random, but it should be +/- a few days within a week. Going past 11 or 12 is a bit much.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 20:16

I think that between one and 2 week is fine.

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#24 Maehdros

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 20:24

There are 2 sides to this rating thingy ;) those who clear people and climb..and those who defend their rating fighting bounties on the board..whether they be bounties due to pvp..or counters etc..some players only clear safe bounties..while others clear everyone under the sun.. There are plenty players who are excel at the pvp aspect of the game who are no where NEAR being on the ladder...whether its because they care not for rating..or the fact that they both stomp and clear people(and pvp off the board)...they cant rise up the ladder... that part..doesnt make sense to me.

I honestly would love to see how many on the ladder could defend their "said" rating against other hunters... just curious...Then we would see how dominant some players are.. from BOTH sides of pvp...both attacking AND defending.

#25 fs_skramble

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 20:25

With the value of the rewards, I do not see a problem the random being within 7 to 30 days.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 20:26

im sure they stated it was longer than a week but no longer than two

#27 fs_kvach

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 20:42

it should be random a week. when you go past a week it starts to get alittle rediculous for people in top of the ladder to complete any bounty and come out with any pvp exchange. let alone find other pvper's near your range


I disagree, I think it should be random, If you are as good at PvP (or BH) as you think you are then you should have no problem staying in the top 10.



Ok many true pvpers already replied on this comment... All in all im a level 163, and i hit higher and lower leveled players on and off the bounty board. Mostly on. No problem staying in the top ten? Next time you see me on the board take my bounty(like you probably always do because you wont dare hit anyone higher leveled) so i can counter you, then u can feel what i felt many times while competing on the board.

with this said i honestly think u dont know much about the ladder... Just read replies of those who have worked hard in the ladder.


and yea i still think the ladder should reset randomly a WEEK. But im not whinning at all. in fact im still competing and will continue to compete after the reset.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 20:45

Either way the ladder has gotten better from last time, but still needs work. I think no matter what we will always have those who get their rating off of thier friends instead of actually pvping.
I want to see true dominance in the ladder. I hope to see it soon

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 21:00

personally i think who ever is 'truly dominent' will always have thier critics.

#30 fs_kvach

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 21:23

^that much is true^

#31 dragon1234

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 05:17

But you haven't done that since you've started seriously ladder climbing, have you?


Nope, but that is why I included BH in my original statement.

The softies, or the guys who actually knew what they were doing and could make you work for it?


Both.

No, you can't be held individually responsible for that. But you can be held responsible for making thoughtless commentary about the state of the ladder when you aren't subject to the situation that the majority of players who are trying to get on there without cheating are subject to.

I was higher than you on the ladder for quite a while there - then someone gloated me twice and had me off the ladder entirely in a span of an hour and a half, while I was offline and unbuffed.


1. If you dont want to be subjected to the situation then level up to where I am and take full advantage of it, if not then its a moot point. If you have a problem with me being at this level (which was my leveling goal for 2010) then level up and hit me :). As a side note, what part of what I do is considered cheating?

2. I can make a comment on the state of the ladder because Ive been on the ladder and have defend against attk. I was on the BB yesterday and only 1 person took my bounty. If more have taken the bounty I would have fallen out of the top 10. This means that I am not even close to being a PvPer.

In light of circumstances like that, perhaps you would like to revise your statement?


In light of circumstances like that, perhaps you would like to revise your statement?

No I would not, many of YOUR guildmates and allies have gotten to the top 10 and stayed there and defend against any agressions for your rating on the BB. Since you guys are a PvP guild, isnt this a great reflection of the Dominance of you guys as a group of people on PvP?

Ok many true pvpers already replied on this comment... All in all im a level 163, and i hit higher and lower leveled players on and off the bounty board. Mostly on. No problem staying in the top ten? Next time you see me on the board take my bounty(like you probably always do because you wont dare hit anyone higher leveled) so i can counter you, then u can feel what i felt many times while competing on the board.


Any proof that I dont take bounty higher than 163? No? And about the bounty thing, go for it if it makes you feel better, but then the next time you are on the BB, you are subjected to the rules that you PvPers and BHers made up.

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#32 fs_gravely

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 05:26

[quote name="dragon1234"][quote name="Gravely"]
But you haven't done that since you've started seriously ladder climbing, have you?
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Nope, but that is why I included BH in my original statement.[/quote]

None of the players at the top hit almost anyone off the board, including me. It's literally not possible to do that and maintain a top 25 placing.

[quote name="dragon1234"][quote name="Gravely"]The softies, or the guys who actually knew what they were doing and could make you work for it? [/quote]

Both.[/quote]

Okay, I'll take your word for it.

[quote name="Gravely"]No, you can't be held individually responsible for that. But you can be held responsible for making thoughtless commentary about the state of the ladder when you aren't subject to the situation that the majority of players who are trying to get on there without cheating are subject to.

I was higher than you on the ladder for quite a while there - then someone gloated me twice and had me off the ladder entirely in a span of an hour and a half, while I was offline and unbuffed.[/quote]

[quote name="dragon1234"]1. If you dont want to be subjected to the situation then level up to where I am and take full advantage of it, if not then its a moot point.[/quote]

Yes, let me magically instantly level up to 700+. I'm closer than most and it would take me months of nothing but leveling. That's nice to say, but it has absolutely no way to be realistically achieved. You are simply benefitting from a situation that very few players enjoy, and now are blaming us because you are in a better situation for the mechanics.

Why don't we remove rating from the board? Bet you'd think it wasn't fair that you would have to delevel to compete, would you? Level range shouldn't materially infringe on your ability to protect your rating, beyond board defense.

[quote name="dragon1234"]As a side note, what part of what I do is considered cheating?[/quote]

You aren't cheating, but players who are lower leveled and are clean are generally speaking in a much more difficult environment than you are. Cheaters who bribe or make deals or filter rating with each other are less susceptible to random off the board hits, because they can generate rating much more quickly than an honest player.

[quote name="dragon1234"]2. I can make a comment on the state of the ladder because Ive been on the ladder and have defend against attk.[/quote]

One counter every four days doesn't mean you're being forced to defend yourself. That's small potatoes compared to the majority of players currently trying to sit the ladder.

[quote name="dragon1234"]I was on the BB yesterday and only 1 person took my bounty. If more have taken the bounty I would have fallen out of the top 10. This means that I am not even close to being a PvPer.[/quote]

No, that means that players are unwilling to risk taking on your stat pools. Nothing more, nothing less.

[quote name="Gravely"]In light of circumstances like that, perhaps you would like to revise your statement?[/quote]

[quote name="dragon1234"]No I would not, many of YOUR guildmates and allies have gotten to the top 10 and stayed there and defend against any agressions for your rating on the BB.[/quote]

Dragon, if I was in your off the board range, I could literally guarantee that you would NEVER enter the top 25 of the ladder. I would not have to log on more than 2 hours a day, ever. Anyone can do that to anyone else, given very basic knowledge. I don't care if the player they're hitting is a crystal bounty hunter or god's gift to PVP, the defense mechanics and the current rating mechanics in play means that 2 hits can rip over 500 rating off in, literally, 1 hour. The only reason you are protected is because, as previously stated and acknowledged, very few players in your range pvps, if ANYONE does.

Thus, your statement that a 'real' pvper or 'real' bounty hunter could stay up on the ladder regardless is -patently- false.

#33 fs_kvach

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 06:06

Dragon u wanna know how safe u are compared to those of my level? You wanna know how my environment is nothing like yours? When i posted my first post i was at 7th place in the ladder. im now in 21st place due to a player near my level range using one 100 stam with gloat that was unprovoked on me.

Has that ever happened to you? Let me let u know that isnt the first time this has happened to me.
I am not trying to complain, i am simply backing up my point. im done with the chats that has anything to do with you, i know how hard i work and i know how both of our environments are different when it comes to pvp

#34 Maehdros

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 14:27

Hmm almost 2 weeks now, Is this going to be the norm? between 1 week and 2 weeks duration? I know its ranom ;) but i thought hoof said weekly?

#35 fs_regnier7

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 14:59

I remember he said it'd last a week minimum. :P

Don't remember weekly.

- The PvP Ladder ending time has now been made random. Note however that there will be a minimum of 7 days between resets.


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#36 shindrak

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 15:02

Hmm almost 2 weeks now, Is this going to be the norm? between 1 week and 2 weeks duration? I know its ranom ;) but i thought hoof said weekly?

I think its very random now .. :P
last reset was 07/Sep and previous one 02/Sep/2010 so this is 5 days btw resets.
So its may reset again after 1 day from next reset ? lol
I think this need more explaining minimum and maximum days for random reset..

#37 Maehdros

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 15:02

I remember he said it'd last a week minimum. :P

Don't remember weekly.



I just want to go back to what i enjoy most ;) stomping :twisted: As of now this ladder system forces players to avoid direct pvp. Tis a shame actually.

#38 Leos3000

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 15:03

Hmm almost 2 weeks now, Is this going to be the norm? between 1 week and 2 weeks duration? I know its ranom ;) but i thought hoof said weekly?


The final timeline set up for the ladder was a random reset that was suppose to be no less then 1 week but no more then 2 weeks, so 1 day left at the most :?:

#39 fs_regnier7

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 15:03

@ all

- The PvP Ladder ending time has now been made random. Note however that there will be a minimum of 7 days between resets.



:P


Supposedly, anyway.

#40 maxvam

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 18:35

switch on the reset button.. :(


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