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#361 shindrak

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 08:46

O well ... now we need new pots in Arena and remove old joke ones...
Many ideas here> viewtopic.php?f=1&t=95942

#362 DaleJunior

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 10:12

Thank you for fixing the recipes and making them 8 player tourneys, but I wanted to bump this thread up a bit, don't want it to get lost. Any comment on some of the other suggestions and comments that have been made thus far since the new items came out, BG?

#363 DaleJunior

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 11:44

*Bumpety bump* So...what does everyone think of all the new sets so far? How's the arena moving? All I see right now is a massive number of arenas in the lower levels. Only 4 out of 75 arenas were above level 443 last time I checked. Need to even things out more. lol

#364 shokolo

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 12:17

Looking at shindrak bio, i dont think many outside of the wining circle at the arena will attempt to invent the new sets , and it does not seem like prices of components will go down

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 18:57

whats the chances of actually seeing the arena fixes anytime soon ?

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 01:39

Looking at shindrak bio, i dont think many outside of the wining circle at the arena will attempt to invent the new sets , and it does not seem like prices of components will go down


Many component prices have gone WAY down from what they were initially, but these sets are so hard to make that people are hesitant. But I've seen many components priced down in the 20's. And it is a boon for the SE market, particularly with the 425 set being a popular one to make, the market for Vexus Queen parts has gone way up, so that's good.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 03:18

Unfortunately, 425 components are still expensive as hell ><

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 03:43

because the level 425 items are so awesome :)

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 03:59

the set is actually borderline worthless.

Individual items are outstanding.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 04:03

notice I didn't use the word "set" :D

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 04:13

I realize that, I was just making the clarification :]

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 08:12

every single set to come out is worthless for pvp arena unless it has loads of def 17 finals in a row i lost on saturday then 14 in total yesterday mainly to def where i couldn't hit and unless something is done like introdue a decaying system am afraid def will dominate the arena and these sets will be worthless in a short space of time

#373 DaleJunior

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 08:44

every single set to come out is worthless for pvp arena unless it has loads of def 17 finals in a row i lost on saturday then 14 in total yesterday mainly to def where i couldn't hit and unless something is done like introdue a decaying system am afraid def will dominate the arena and these sets will be worthless in a short space of time


The first thing I am sure that we will hear from BG is that the sets were not designed for the PvP "Arena", they were designed for PvP, and everyone knows there is a HUGE difference between the two. With that being said, there are some excellent items within the sets themselves. The level 425 set, while not tremendous in the arena on its own, has 4 individual items that depending on the level they're used at, are all terrific to use with various setups.

The level 710 set has tremendous attack capabilities and I already know of people who are using it with good success in the Arena. I witnessed the level 240 set being used with success as well. Every setup has a counter setup, and it's up to us to find out what those counter setups are and to tweak things accordingly in our own setups so that we can continue to win again. If you're losing 31 finals to people who are using defensive sets, cobra, and you continue to do the same thing over again, well, I hate to say it, but why would you expect a different result if you keep doing the same thing over and over again?

I too would like to find some way to get around the defensive setups but I have not yet figured it out. The 20 extra combat rounds were supposed to help by giving those in armor setups but who didn't have enough attack to beat the defensive sets a better chance to get in a hit and win. But this is not working. There will be people who quote different statistics, but more and more, I cannot get in a hit during those 60 rounds vs. a defense player when I am using an armor type of setup.

Let us hope that the next work on the arena will be something that will help to even out the playing field somewhat. Love to hear other people's thoughts on the new equipment or the arena, the more feedback they get, and from more people, the better it is for the game as a whole.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 09:06

every single set to come out is worthless for pvp arena unless it has loads of def 17 finals in a row i lost on saturday then 14 in total yesterday mainly to def where i couldn't hit and unless something is done like introdue a decaying system am afraid def will dominate the arena and these sets will be worthless in a short space of time


You have got to stop complaining about the defense in every single one of your post, they've already boost the combat round to 60 to further armor set ability(assuming you have enough HP) in no moves. Chances are you probably reached that final by beating a couple of defensive set ups that couldnt last the 60 HP, but I dont see you quoting that statistic do you? If you dont like it then get some attk instead of complaining about every single time you post in an arena page. The last 3+ updates have been mostly att based items that combine with most of other stats, and more armor based item than not. If you dont like the fact that a remote chance where def can outlast the 60 HP, then stop joining the no move arena and join only moves arena, which really ends fast enough that you dont have to worry about 60 moves.

And seriously, defense dominating the arena? Most of the winners in non-move (where everyone goes safety w/ max armor/dam or something) are armor people, and with the fact that Spin Attack automatically gives you 22%+ attack rate without needing actual attack in moves arenas, how can you seriously make that statement?

Furthermore, if you dont like the fact that you are losing against defensive set up with your armor set up, why dont you switch to defense and see how "dominant" it is to try and win with that type of set up.

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#375 evilbry

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 09:24

The level of def used isn't as high as people think, especially up high. With a basic pvp set I have won a few recently, winning each round on the first hit.

Besides those who stack armor or def are easy to beat. Just takes a little thought.

#376 shindrak

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 12:30

Very high defence or medium defence isnt the problem !
the problem that who got for example 5k attack same as who got 1k attack...
why attack stats worthless? I said afew times in many threads who got high attack should have better chance for hit and less chance for miss...

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 12:49

every single set to come out is worthless for pvp arena unless it has loads of def 17 finals in a row i lost on saturday then 14 in total yesterday mainly to def where i couldn't hit and unless something is done like introdue a decaying system am afraid def will dominate the arena and these sets will be worthless in a short space of time


You have got to stop complaining about the defense in every single one of your post, they've already boost the combat round to 60 to further armor set ability(assuming you have enough HP) in no moves. Chances are you probably reached that final by beating a couple of defensive set ups that couldnt last the 60 HP, but I dont see you quoting that statistic do you? If you dont like it then get some attk instead of complaining about every single time you post in an arena page. The last 3+ updates have been mostly att based items that combine with most of other stats, and more armor based item than not. If you dont like the fact that a remote chance where def can outlast the 60 HP, then stop joining the no move arena and join only moves arena, which really ends fast enough that you dont have to worry about 60 moves.

And seriously, defense dominating the arena? Most of the winners in non-move (where everyone goes safety w/ max armor/dam or something) are armor people, and with the fact that Spin Attack automatically gives you 22%+ attack rate without needing actual attack in moves arenas, how can you seriously make that statement?

Furthermore, if you dont like the fact that you are losing against defensive set up with your armor set up, why dont you switch to defense and see how "dominant" it is to try and win with that type of set up.



i aint complaining bout def all the time am complaining for the fact doing max def is no skill its a luck which is boring and i use plenty off att in my sets mate i vary them but it makes no difference in non forge matches its all do to with luck same with armor v armor whoever gets the 2% miss loses.
I would actually like something introduced as was talked bout like the decaying system add alittle bit of thought into sets instead of max def or armor.

#378 DaleJunior

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 13:48

I've got to go along with what Evilbry said earlier in this thread, Cobra, I am certain that some of the losses of which you speak, where it "appears" that people were using "max defense set" as you call it, were not to maximum defense sets at all. Rather, they were to setups that just so happened to have enough defense to stop your attack. I've come out on top in matches against you myself where it might have appeared that way, but in fact, it was not the case. I think it's quite creative to develop a set that has enough defense to stop some people, while still having enough armor, damage, or attack (or combination thereof) to beat someone else. I hear what you're saying, but, c'mon... do they have the expression "beating a dead horse" in your country? :)

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 13:57

mate am not saying every1 is using max def but i use att armor in a few levels and sometimes cant even hit with 60 swings am only saying do something to take away this luck factor in non moves the moves is fine its non moves which are a nightmare

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 19:48

just get rid of the non-move arenas, it's a lottery. You can't learn from them when you hit, often by chance, in combat round 27 or 43. And why should new players bother to earn their combat moves when he/she cannot use them in the majority of arenas!


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