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#101 fs_moxcyn

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:00

I personally don't think it's such a bad thing that an uber high powered high level set takes a lot of components. Remember when the Brices and ormar's sets first came out? They both took a ton of arena items, and they were only 2 and 3 piece sets, these are 4 piece sets. You ought to have to work for them. It is going to take a few months for them to be "affordable" for the masses, but in the meantime, those who want to can make a few arena champs rich along the way. lol.

I actually don't mind the 4 piece sets, but grave is right, it does diminish the hell forging aspect of it. I still think that in these cases the fact that the items have 4 stats will not keep people from hell forging them just because of the extra stat, so it won't matter as much in these items. But in general, there shouldn't be a lot of 4 stat items. I like that 4th HP stat because after crafting and forging it's just enough to last 60 full rounds if you're just using one item out of the set. Makes you get more creative when deciding how many HP you need for a particular arena if you want to just use part of a set.

BG, I think it's exciting to play in the arena again. I still wish that there was something we could do even to have the gold arenas speed up more, but I'm not sure how that would work. And regarding all the various mechanics and tweaking certain moves, I'll leave that to more capable, technical minds than mine. I think that this has somewhat reinvigorated the arena and once items begin flowing and people begin inventing, the SE market will also see some life as well. One can only hope. Thanks for giving us some attention. :)



I actually think it's a great fix (not a patch like others have said) for keeping the arena items from losing value and bringing back value to SE hunting. 2 birds in one...

With the success rate being below average - i think the value of all these items will remain high.... in the same way Bothild stones have...


I think gold arena's should be 4-8 man tournaments.... With high entrance fee's or lower payouts...

#102 Mister Doom

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:04

You count maybe 15 points per item as bad? We will only do 2 stat items on two item sets. So three stats ain't bad.


You know what I miss? SINGLE stat items. These things are pretty awesome for numerous things. One of them being levelling, but I guess designing nice levelling gear was someone's job that quit a LONG time ago?

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#103 DaleJunior

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:11

I have just had the first report of an attempted Invention of one of the new Items.. It was the Machteld set, not sure of the item, but it required 2 Battle Scrolls, 2 Honored Artifacts, 2 Destroyer Shields and 1 Steep Gauntlets. over 1200 fsp invested in buying the items. Failed and did not save anything. If this is any indication of how difficult it will be to create these sets, I'm wondering who is really going to have the guts to go ahead and push that little "Invent" button. I'm not sure I could pull that trigger myself.

I've left out the person's name who attempted the invention for obvious reasons.

#104 jklundt

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:30

Thank you dalejunior for leaving my name out...I have been regranted access into the forum..i tried the boots of machteld and failed...It did not save a single item and the success rate is below average..if i do get the items to try and re invent these it shall be when prices are much lower

#105 fs_moxcyn

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:33

I have just had the first report of an attempted Invention of one of the new Items.. It was the Machteld set, not sure of the item, but it required 2 Battle Scrolls, 2 Honored Artifacts, 2 Destroyer Shields and 1 Steep Gauntlets. over 1200 fsp invested in buying the items. Failed and did not save anything. If this is any indication of how difficult it will be to create these sets, I'm wondering who is really going to have the guts to go ahead and push that little "Invent" button. I'm not sure I could pull that trigger myself.

I've left out the person's name who attempted the invention for obvious reasons.


I personally wouldn't try to invent any items right now. The resources to make them (besides the SE items) are way too overpriced and expensive.... Give it a month or so and the price or the resources "should" be under 100 each; give it 6 months and they should be around 50... Once the old items get out of the arena and the new ones cycle in - the price decline will begin.

#106 jklundt

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:35

even at the lower prices after 6months its still going to cost 600 FSP to invent the one item and thats if you invent on the first try

#107 fs_moxcyn

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:44

even at the lower prices after 6months its still going to cost 600 FSP to invent the one item and thats if you invent on the first try


Yeah, on that particular item - you might be right, but that's because it requires 2 destroyer shields (which are already expensive and probably always will be now.) The resources will become a lot cheaper though; especially since it does require those SE items (so less people will try to invent it - driving down the price of the resources).

For a bothild piece to be made - you normally need 4-5 attempts at it. That costs about 400-500 fsps; im guessing in 6 months - that's about where most of these items will be as far as cost to invent. If they're as valuable is yet to be determined.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:50

Personally I think there should be more of the resources released into the arena. Even if the sets require a lot of SE drops that's not really the difficult part especially with FI 1000 and using some stam. And lets not forget how many there are already in the game. Its the arena resources which will be kept artificially high by certain players/guilds. It would be a whole lot fairer to maybe have more of them released into the arena at varying lvls to give everyone a chance.

#109 fs_gravely

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:52

Agreed, the arena needs many, many more components to make the cost/benefit equation work.

#110 DaleJunior

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 16:04

Agreed, the arena needs many, many more components to make the cost/benefit equation work.


It's only the first day. lol. Based on previous experience, fairly soon there will be more of these component items than you can shake a stick at. I'd love for more to come out sooner, but they'll be there in time. As soon as Grim gets his precious "Admin Tool" he will be like almighty God in the arena, changing whatever he wants!! lol.

#111 fs_lonr

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 16:05

Thinking about it we should not have been told that SE drops were to be used in the new sets before they came out. The drop rate for the SE involved should then of been changed and/or made the SE themselves bound so whoever landed on it had to kill it. Would of changed the dynamics a little but would of given people something to do with their stam. And yes more components into the arena at the same time. Would of been nice if that happened at the same time the other stuff was being cycled out then I don't see any complaints from anyone. Plenty of chances in arena and if you need SE drops go get them :)

#112 fs_gravely

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 16:21

Agreed, the arena needs many, many more components to make the cost/benefit equation work.


It's only the first day. lol. Based on previous experience, fairly soon there will be more of these component items than you can shake a stick at. I'd love for more to come out sooner, but they'll be there in time. As soon as Grim gets his precious "Admin Tool" he will be like almighty God in the arena, changing whatever he wants!! lol.


Previous experience is flawed in this case, dale.

Previous experience is with, by and large, two item sets that have value, such as bhaltairs, bothild, nolands, averills, yojimbo, and acherons. In 3 cases (brices, arthfaels, and ivars) it was 3 item sets.

Prices on those sets didn't decay barely at all for months and months, and months.

Remember, all second wave gear only needed 2 arena components per piece.

The first wave gear didn't really decay in value until about a month and a half ago.

Also, the invention rate on this gear is going to be obscene compared to first AND second wave gear (excluding bothild). That's going to eat a lot of components right off the top.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 17:38

cheers big g and forn awesum stuff guys am liking the new gear even tho i still cant hit a def packer to actually win any gear LOL

also can u remove the old recipe please as they just clog up arena

#114 shindrak

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 21:13

Yea thanks for this new stuffs :D
I would like to see the potions ppl suggested in here to be in Arena too

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 21:19

i would like a win button when up against players wuth the same set LOL or any other set

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 07:59

hey big g the arena is almost at a halt mate think u could get ur little admin tool up and running with maybe an hours down time or so mate :D

#117 DaleJunior

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 08:00

I had a Dream last night where Hoofmaster gave BigGrim this cool thing called an "Admin Tool". Once he had it, BigGrim waved his magic wand and voila, new arena components and recipes came pouring through the arena!! :)

On a more serious note, there may be those who disagree with me, but on first glance it appears that maybe some of these sets are too difficult to make. I could be wrong, but it's going to be months before any average player will be able to acquire them. Some rich and powerful guilds won't even be able to afford them. You might ask "What's your point, Dale"... To be honest, I'm not sure what my point is, maybe I'm just being selfish because I know that I will never be able to make or have these sets. It just seems to me that when a person loses 1200 fsp or so on an attempt to make just one item it just seems a little much. Granted the person could have waited until prices were lower and did take the risk to be the first to make the set and would have reaped huge rewards had it succeeded, but like I said at first glance, it might just be too hard. Only time will tell. Thanks again, BG for introducing what look like some really cool sets. I only hope one day I'll be able to use them! :)

EDIT: By the way, on a side note BG, remember those Toril items I told you about? All 3 of them are still there from over a day ago, 700 arenas later and not close to being full. lol. Also, whenever you get your admin tool please take a look at the spawning rate of the gold tourneys in certain level bands. If you go to the arena now and click on the ID title to list the arenas in reverse order of when they were introduced, you will see the ones that are filling up the slowest. I'm talking about gold tourneys in the 60 to 120 range. These arenas fill up so very slowly because people know that they can't win unless they have access to certain items, namely the Deepwater Choker or Bothild boots which are both in relatively short supply compared to other items. Some of the new PvP sets also have this effect. People are hesitant to enter those ranges because a couple of people are dominating the range because of a certain set.

If we want to get the gold tourneys moving through the arena more quickly I suggest (and this is only my twisted suggestion) that ALL gold tourneys be 8 person tourneys except for those OVER 1 million and that a much smaller percentage of gold arenas spawn below level 200 and above level 700. Just my idea to help move things along. If you try it for a couple of weeks and it doesn't work, there's no harm, just switch it back, but something has to be done to get things moving more quickly. Some might say that this will just help people get their arena medals more quickly. Frankly, I don't care about that, I just want things to move faster. Again, you've done a great job listening to us, but I just keep having these thoughts I wanna put down here so please don't be mad at me or anything. lol. Ok have a great day everyone.

#118 DaleJunior

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 12:11

Hmm....there's a little 2 piece set in the Wiki Images nestled in between 2 of the new arena sets, image number 9723 and 9724, but no recipes. It's an obvious Legendary set because it's pulsating different colors. Colored Orange and black... a Halloween LE perhaps? Or something for the caves?? I'm intrigued...

*sings* "Oh where oh where has Grim's Admin Tool gone....Oh Where oh where can it beeeeee.... "

#119 fs_gravely

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 13:32

Admin tool.

We wants it?

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 14:15

Still no tool. However. Think I might double the weigh of the new recipes and triple the weight of the new Quest Items.

Sound like a decent stop gap?


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