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#1 Debrutsid

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 17:51

This is kinda odd.

You attempted to smelt 141 times and successfully smelted 213 x Zircon Ore into 213 x Zircon Bar. You gain 49000x2 = 98000 smelting xp (Master Smelter).


But shouldn't it be 98700... (141 {bars gained} *350 {XP per bar})*2 ?

Same with:


You attempted to smelt 250 times and successfully smelted 375 x Zircon Ore into 375 x Zircon Bar. You gain 86450x2 = 172900 smelting xp (Master Smelter).


Should be 175000... again, (250*350)*2 ?


Skalla, help >_<


#2 Skallagrime

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 17:10

nopes looks like you're getting screwed

first instance:
you got the exp for only 140/141 of the bars

second instance:
you got the exp for 247/250 of em


then for me
You attempted to smelt 20 times and successfully smelted 29 x Zircon Ore into 29 x Zircon Bar. You gain 6650x2 = 13300 smelting xp (Master Smelter).

so i got ripped off for 700 smelting exp too

(do remember you only get the exp per the original bars, the skilled smelter only gives you an innacurate log and bonus bars, no exp)

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#3 gothador_casidhe

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 12:23

Cassiopeia has a 99% chance of mining and here is her recent attempt

11:44 21/Nov/07
You attempted to smelt 250 times and successfully smelted 371 x Raw Blue Crystal into 371 x Blue Patriarch Diamond. You gain 1482000x2 = 2964000 smelting xp (Master Smelter).


Either the smelting XP awarded is wrong (5828 instead of 6000) or she's receiving the correct XP but not for all of the bars that merit it (my possibly spurious calculations show it would be 3 bars off.)

Now~when Sain first posted this I started wondering if the bar-or-two short was a function of the mining success rate not being 100% - i.e.

You attempted to smelt 250 times and successfully smelted 249 x Raw Blue Crystal into 249 x Blue Patriarch Diamond...
*this example is deliberately as if there is NO Skilled Smelter advanced skill


But since we have skilled smelter, we have (for Cassiopeia) a 52% chance of smelting 2x bars, so the one or two (or 3?) failed attempts at smelting are masked by the number of successfully smelted bars that yielded a double amount.

If this is the case, then it is not buggy at all, merely the fault of the dratted RNG - If I understand correctly, miners who have a 99% chance of mining or smelting have a 1% chance of failing to mine or smelt, not each time we hit the button, but for each individual attempt. So, like those times when I fail to cast Angelic Shift 3 times in a row (why is it always in a PvP realm?) we can be failing in the attempt to mine or smelt, so no XP would be awarded for the failed attempts, but since the system log doesn't record the number of failed attempts and DOES give us the total bars/ores we got extra from the advanced skills, we never know how many attempts actually failed unless we do the maths on the XP received.

O Great Skallabunny, please be nice and let me down gently if this theory is stoooopid or off base! I haven't had my tea yet this morning :lol:

#4 gothador_lamentalist

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 17:50

... If this is the case, then it is not buggy at all, merely the fault of the dratted RNG...

... but since the system log doesn't record the number of failed attempts...

I'm not skallabunny (nor would I wanna be... brrr), but it's the RNG's & Logs/Messages' fault.

I have Skilled Smelting 52/50. Before this experiment, I had 5122 Zircon Ore, 935 Zircon Bar. Smelting Zircon nets 350 xp.

17:10 21/Nov/07
You attempted to smelt 20 times and successfully smelted 29 x Zircon Ore into 29 x Zircon Bar. You gain 6650x2 = 13300 smelting xp (Master Smelter).

Looking in my inven, I now have 5102 ores (decrease of 20, as expected) & 964 bars (increase of 29). 6650 master smelter xp means I really only successfully smelted 19 bars. With my Skilled Smelter bonus, the bonus 10 bars correctly showed up in my inven... just not correctly labeled in the log.

I smelted 3x more, but the discrepancy is 0-1 bars per 20 AP, so as you said, it's just the 99% chance + secretive log kicking us.

#5 Skallagrime

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 16:22

I smelted 3x more, but the discrepancy is 0-1 bars per 20 AP, so as you said, it's just the 99% chance + secretive log kicking us.


that makes most sense, likewise i have skilled smelter all the way up and if i could be bothered i'd check it a few times on a miner without it, i can and will do so, just not now

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