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#681 fs_evfisher

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 21:42

There's not as much drama that way. :P Plus it was no ones business.


I don't give one whit who said what to whom, but you and I both know that if it happened, that makes a massive difference in what behavior is and is not allowed, b.

Ev, we're not all exactly busom buddies, here. Clarity is helpful when attempting to come to understanding from radically opposing viewpoints, which is certainly the case when it comes to PvP...


That I could have given you in PMs or emails or phone calls, the same as I did others in the game. :) But again, remember, we are limited as to what we can post on these forums. :)

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 21:43

to say no attempt at reconciliation was made is total BS


I received no PMs "attempting" to reconcile anything in this instance.


And neither did I until Jinks and I started talking after everything had went down (right before HCS stepped in), but by that time it was too late.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 21:45

That I could have given you in PMs or emails or phone calls, the same as I did others in the game. :) But again, remember, we are limited as to what we can post on these forums. :)


I'm not sure why it's not possible to state - clearly - that members of your guild were threatened or verbally abused, but if you say so.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 21:47

And as I have stated previously in this thread, and repeat yet again Gravely, perhaps there is more here than meets the eye.


You know, ev, you could have just said that threats or trash talking was an issue and this thread would have died about 35 pages ago.



The WAL/OWC portion, maybe. Notice that the OP is in neither guild. It was posted for a reason, then co-opted into being all about WAL vs.OWC, rather than getting an answer to snowy's concerns.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 21:48

In this 'PVP' game there seems to me that there is a real grey area regarding relic defence,, meaning that you arent allowed to defend your relic other than sit on it and wait for someone high level to come along with a group and take it from you.

im not gonna quote 'in real life' because this is a MMORPG,, with 'G' meaning game.
so what i would like to know is why some guilds think that they are immune from any pvp if they take someones relic.

does not the bounty board punish those who steal gold, why then are people not allowed to defend their Relics, other than just sitting on the relic like a hen waiting for it to hatch.

and theres no point big guilds pointing out that if you have enough players sitting on the relic then its safe because that doesnt help the smaller guilds.

this is my 1st attempt at posting a topic, but would love to hear peoples thoughts on this



Just to bring the original thoughts/concerns back to the forefront.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 21:48

...You take relics because you can, we retaliate because we can, then someone from your guild goes to the cow about it and suddenly your right and everyone else is wrong. The position that they took was in err, and your not wishing to deal with this through diplomatic channels simply says you do not really care about fair gameplay, only yourselves.


You mean this compromise? The one that says leave our relic alone or face war? The one that tells our mate to return to his correct map but WAL members don't have to?

My offering of a peaceful solution was going to be: OWC would agree to leave the relic alone for the two weeks we were told to sit it out. It would not be captured by the same attacker as he left for his correct map at full stamina. We would cease our attempt at trying to get on the ladder ;) We also would agree that future relic captures by an OWC leveler of the correct level for that area would go unpunished. As it did prior. All we wanted was a diplomatic solution you guys refused to even listen to. Why? cause you had no intention to do anything but involve HCS. Its really too bad.


HCS was never contacted before the war, so that was never our intention. I never said everyone was was wrong and I was right. We played according to a policy ruled upon by HCS before any of this started. I really don't understand your issue with us. If you have an issue it is with past ruling that HCS has made that in no way involved us.


you were contacted well before the 9 captures of the relic? and it didn't stop?
and you say , oh why bother

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 21:51

In this 'PVP' game there seems to me that there is a real grey area regarding relic defence,, meaning that you arent allowed to defend your relic other than sit on it and wait for someone high level to come along with a group and take it from you.

im not gonna quote 'in real life' because this is a MMORPG,, with 'G' meaning game.
so what i would like to know is why some guilds think that they are immune from any pvp if they take someones relic.

does not the bounty board punish those who steal gold, why then are people not allowed to defend their Relics, other than just sitting on the relic like a hen waiting for it to hatch.

and theres no point big guilds pointing out that if you have enough players sitting on the relic then its safe because that doesnt help the smaller guilds.

this is my 1st attempt at posting a topic, but would love to hear peoples thoughts on this



Just to bring the original thoughts/concerns back to the forefront.


I am thinking this whole thread occurred based on a similar circumstance and as this is the most recent occurance which represents the problem, it naturally would arise to the forefront in it's discussion

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 21:54

can't..look...away

#689 celendais

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:01

Is this part true?

that HCS has said that "bounties reserved for XXX" is not allowed anymore??

Cause that would be big news to a in-game-practice that has been going on for ever.

( you can have different opinion on the bountys reserved thingee, its a bit complicated in my book but still it it seems odd if support suddenly forbids this, if this is the case they should announce a change in TOS or something like that)

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:04

I want to be able to PvP anyone I can, whenever I want, and for whatever reason without sending any messages. It's called playing Fallensword and has been allowed since I began playing. Currently, through my founder I am specifically instructed by an HCS admin not to attack anyone from a certain guild because it is deemed in defense of a relic after they ran to HCS, otherwise if I or any guildmate does attack someone in this guild we are under threat to be suspended or terminated. This is wrong!!!

Hoof, wake up and say something please! This rogue judgment does not follow the standards of the game that we have all been playing. I'm glad this topic is public for the community to disseminate as it truly effects everyone in the community.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:05

In this 'PVP' game there seems to me that there is a real grey area regarding relic defence,, meaning that you arent allowed to defend your relic other than sit on it and wait for someone high level to come along with a group and take it from you.

im not gonna quote 'in real life' because this is a MMORPG,, with 'G' meaning game.
so what i would like to know is why some guilds think that they are immune from any pvp if they take someones relic.

does not the bounty board punish those who steal gold, why then are people not allowed to defend their Relics, other than just sitting on the relic like a hen waiting for it to hatch.

and theres no point big guilds pointing out that if you have enough players sitting on the relic then its safe because that doesnt help the smaller guilds.

this is my 1st attempt at posting a topic, but would love to hear peoples thoughts on this



Just to bring the original thoughts/concerns back to the forefront.


I am thinking this whole thread occurred based on a similar circumstance and as this is the most recent occurance which represents the problem, it naturally would arise to the forefront in it's discussion


Being told you can't PvP as relic defense or challenging your surrounding when there has been nothing done that breaks the acceptable use policy (threats or verbal abuse) is what this thread is about, not that I know what has been said or done between your guilds.

#692 fs_ogrvity

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:06

you were contacted well before the 9 captures of the relic? and it didn't stop?
and you say , oh why bother


Did you contact me? No. Jinks is the only one in your guild that I had ANY discussion with, and we had a very civil conversation about what we could do because we both agreed that everything that was happening benefited neither guild. I did receive 1 other offline message from your guild founder but that was after the war had began and he was offline after that, which is why Jinks contacted me about working towards a solution.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:08

can't..look...away


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#694 oucho

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:09

32 pages last count;
the game is about a group banning together for a common cause. And when someone or something threatens that, it is dealt with one way or another. When some guilds/persons policies threaten the way you operate you evaulate your options, Either suck it up and revise your operation or deal with it.
Just saying ''Sometimes, 1% is the difference between life an death for some players.'' does not cut it. Do you think the 10% difference affected some? Or did you even care?
When someone is damaging your operation with several targeted attacks [taunting you saying they will be here a few WEEKS] and this is not the first time they have the opinion that you won't, or are unable to stand up for yourself and it won't stop
You stand up and say enough is enough and they run to management shouting abuse?
I'd suggest 'as above' reevaulate your policies and either suck it up or revise your operation!

Someone attacks you 1 time, you might say it's not worth dealing with, several times MOST will try to figure a way to discourage them :)


You seem to be dodging the real meat of the matter---------picking at tid bits

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:09

I want to be able to PvP anyone I can, whenever I want, and for whatever reason without sending any messages. It's called playing Fallensword and has been allowed since I began playing. Currently, through my founder I am specifically instructed by an HCS admin not to attack anyone from a certain guild because it is deemed in defense of a relic after they ran to HCS, otherwise if I or any guildmate does attack someone in this guild we are under threat to be suspended or terminated. This is wrong!!!

Hoof, wake up and say something please! This rogue judgment does not follow the standards of the game that we have all been playing. I'm glad this topic is public for the community to disseminate as it truly effects everyone in the community.


omg. that certain guild is as free to grab any relic as any guild losing that relic is to use game mechanisms to deter them from doing so. Without knowing any hidden details : this instruction from HCS scares me. Lots.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:13

you were contacted well before the 9 captures of the relic? and it didn't stop?
and you say , oh why bother


Did you contact me? No. Jinks is the only one in your guild that I had ANY discussion with, and we had a very civil conversation about what we could do because we both agreed that everything that was happening benefited neither guild. I did receive 1 other offline message from your guild founder but that was after the war had began and he was offline after that, which is why Jinks contacted me about working towards a solution.[/quote

YOU was meant as the guild, you on and off

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:14

"This instruction from HCS scares me. Lots."



Me too. :(

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:15

I want to be able to PvP anyone I can, whenever I want, and for whatever reason without sending any messages. It's called playing Fallensword and has been allowed since I began playing. Currently, through my founder I am specifically instructed by an HCS admin not to attack anyone from a certain guild because it is deemed in defense of a relic after they ran to HCS, otherwise if I or any guildmate does attack someone in this guild we are under threat to be suspended or terminated. This is wrong!!!

Hoof, wake up and say something please! This rogue judgment does not follow the standards of the game that we have all been playing. I'm glad this topic is public for the community to disseminate as it truly effects everyone in the community.


omg. that certain guild is as free to grab any relic as any guild losing that relic is to use game mechanisms to deter them from doing so. Without knowing any hidden details : this instruction from HCS scares me. Lots.

This certain guild has continued taking the relic we sit on consequence free. They are immune from PvP by anyone in our guild. This is nonsense.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:16

In this 'PVP' game there seems to me that there is a real grey area regarding relic defence,, meaning that you arent allowed to defend your relic other than sit on it and wait for someone high level to come along with a group and take it from you.

im not gonna quote 'in real life' because this is a MMORPG,, with 'G' meaning game.
so what i would like to know is why some guilds think that they are immune from any pvp if they take someones relic.

does not the bounty board punish those who steal gold, why then are people not allowed to defend their Relics, other than just sitting on the relic like a hen waiting for it to hatch.

and theres no point big guilds pointing out that if you have enough players sitting on the relic then its safe because that doesnt help the smaller guilds.

this is my 1st attempt at posting a topic, but would love to hear peoples thoughts on this



Just to bring the original thoughts/concerns back to the forefront.


I am thinking this whole thread occurred based on a similar circumstance and as this is the most recent occurance which represents the problem, it naturally would arise to the forefront in it's discussion



It's not the most recent occurance. It's ONE of the most recent occurances. Snowy didn't wake up one day, and telepathically know what was going on between your guild and OWC.

If, maybe, we had kept specific conflicts out of it, this thread would have seen some cow love by now. As it is, it's liable to be looked at as run of the mill bickering between the usual Polemes and ignored and/or locked.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 22:19

might you quote me an instance anywhere similar to this that has occurred between then and now??The reason this has developed as it has is totally due to the lack of response from HCS on the matter.


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