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#161 sohail94

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:43

Taking a relic thirty plus times, and leaving no method for retaliation or defense is a major issue.

The only method i see is keep taking the relic back until one side just gets fed up and leaves it alone or forget about that relic(not like it has your name printed over it) and move onto to another one(preferrably one you can defend better), theres many other relics out there..

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:46

and leaving no method for retaliation or defense is a major issue. I shouldn't have to explain this, Doom, you know this if at all better than I do.


GvG with SB250 during the 'offenders' hunts, especially if they're using your relics to boost said hunt is a highly effective means of retaliation. It's also a 'guild' aspect, unlike 100 stamming direct pvp.


The other guild in this instance isn't interested in empowering.

And by my understanding, any combat interaction between the two guilds in question is currently verboten. Including GvG. Perhaps a member of WaL's leadership could clarify if they understand the situation different.

Above and beyond all that, it still has no real impact, because once again, there's never been any public statement by any member of HCS that hourly hits or random hits or hits because your face was ugly were prohibited. This is a completely and totally unexpected paradigm shift in how the game has been run up to this time.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:46

and leaving no method for retaliation or defense is a major issue. I shouldn't have to explain this, Doom, you know this if at all better than I do.


GvG with SB250 during the 'offenders' hunts, especially if they're using your relics to boost said hunt is a highly effective means of retaliation. It's also a 'guild' aspect, unlike 100 stamming direct pvp.

Whats about i keep take ur guild relics every hour ? u will GVG me ? i dont hunt every hour ...

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:48

and leaving no method for retaliation or defense is a major issue. I shouldn't have to explain this, Doom, you know this if at all better than I do.


GvG with SB250 during the 'offenders' hunts, especially if they're using your relics to boost said hunt is a highly effective means of retaliation. It's also a 'guild' aspect, unlike 100 stamming direct pvp.

Whats about i keep take ur guild relics every hour ? u will GVG me ? i dont hunt every hour ...


No Shindrak, I'll just smash your relics, we've been through this before. ;)

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:48


Taking a relic thirty plus times, and leaving no method for retaliation or defense is a major issue.

The only method i see is keep taking the relic back until one side just gets fed up and leaves it alone or forget about that relic(not like it has your name printed over it) and move onto to another one(preferrably one you can defend better), theres many other relics out there..


Okay, so first off, if I'm in a 5 man guild with 3 or 4 persistent high level players, I can take any relic given time. And if my only goal is to jack it, it doesn't matter if the other guild - who wants to empower it - takes it back.

Second off, there is no safe relic in this game. I could make a guild today with 4 or 5 other players and as long as one of us could reach the relic we could take it, bar none. And there would be not a thing any of the guilds we were HARASSING (using the leveler's perspective on the term) could do about it, based on the most recent response by the developers.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:49

No Shindrak, I'll just smash your relics, we've been through this before. ;)


MAD has been the thing that kept the genie in the bottle up till now.

So for a second, realize that in this situation one side doesn't mind it if every relic in the game got taken in the next hour, and the hour after that, ad nausea.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:50

This is a completely and totally unexpected paradigm shift in how the game has been run up to this time.


That not true at all, any actions that go to the point of ruining someone elses enjoyment of the game or making FS practically unplayable have always incited intervention from HCS. Does noone here remember the TWP/FFS war? :S

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:51

No Shindrak, I'll just smash your relics, we've been through this before. ;)

I didnt mean just about me i talk as someone dont have relics and keep take ur relics and they dont hunt much

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:51

and leaving no method for retaliation or defense is a major issue. I shouldn't have to explain this, Doom, you know this if at all better than I do.


GvG with SB250 during the 'offenders' hunts, especially if they're using your relics to boost said hunt is a highly effective means of retaliation. It's also a 'guild' aspect, unlike 100 stamming direct pvp.


So I'd have to wait a few days to have a chance at deterring them from taking a relic again? lol.....

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:51

This is a completely and totally unexpected paradigm shift in how the game has been run up to this time.


That not true at all, any actions that go to the point of ruining someone elses enjoyment of the game or making FS practically unplayable have always incited intervention from HCS. Does noone here remember the TWP/FFS war? :S


That happened after there was quite a bit more blood on the floor. This little tiff didn't even rise to the level of a minor battle, much less a war.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:52

No Shindrak, I'll just smash your relics, we've been through this before. ;)


MAD has been the thing that kept the genie in the bottle up till now.

So for a second, realize that in this situation one side doesn't mind it if every relic in the game got taken in the next hour, and the hour after that, ad nausea.


So it's like they can do what they like and doing it back to them doesn't really bother them because they enjoy it anyway?

This sounds all terribly familiar to something else in FS...

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:53

This is a completely and totally unexpected paradigm shift in how the game has been run up to this time.


That not true at all, any actions that go to the point of ruining someone elses enjoyment of the game or making FS practically unplayable have always incited intervention from HCS. Does noone here remember the TWP/FFS war? :S


That happened after there was quite a bit more blood on the floor. This little tiff didn't even rise to the level of a minor battle, much less a war.


Yes, and now HCS doesn't let it get that far..

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:53

So it's like they can do what they like and doing it back to them doesn't really bother them because they enjoy it anyway?

This sounds all terribly familiar to something else in FS...


And yet, there are ways to defend yourself from that "something else". You can't lock relics. You can't take relics from guilds that don't have them. You can't do anything about it, whereas that "something else" has plenty of legitimate ways to prevent further loss.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:54

and leaving no method for retaliation or defense is a major issue. I shouldn't have to explain this, Doom, you know this if at all better than I do.


GvG with SB250 during the 'offenders' hunts, especially if they're using your relics to boost said hunt is a highly effective means of retaliation. It's also a 'guild' aspect, unlike 100 stamming direct pvp.


So I'd have to wait a few days to have a chance at deterring them from taking a relic again? lol.....


I guess so, 100 kill GvG can still do plenty of damage though.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:55

Yes, and now HCS doesn't let it get that far..


Because we're all made of glass and need to be put in the playpen?

Actions have consequences. In this case, someone tattled to Mommy before big brother hit them back.

Thank you, but if that's the direction this game has taken, you might be surprised what happens next.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:55

I guess so, 100 kill GvG can still do plenty of damage though.


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You're not serious, are you?

#177 Mister Doom

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:55

So it's like they can do what they like and doing it back to them doesn't really bother them because they enjoy it anyway?

This sounds all terribly familiar to something else in FS...


And yet, there are ways to defend yourself from that "something else". You can't lock relics. You can't take relics from guilds that don't have them. You can't do anything about it, whereas that "something else" has plenty of legitimate ways to prevent further loss.


Of course there is, you can take the relic back, or move on to another and let them have it..

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:57

Of course there is, you can take the relic back, or move on to another and let them have it..


Only to lose it again an hour later, with no ability to empower it.

And moving to another relic when that guild has level 1000 players willing to walk and take at will doesn't exactly solve anything.

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:59

Of course there is, you can take the relic back, or move on to another and let them have it..


Only to lose it again an hour later, with no ability to empower it.

And moving to another relic when that guild has level 1000 players willing to walk and take at will doesn't exactly solve anything.

then just dont get a relic, relics are not really necessary are they? sure they help but as i've seen from the forums almost everything can be done in this game without them

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 17:59

So it's like they can do what they like and doing it back to them doesn't really bother them because they enjoy it anyway?

This sounds all terribly familiar to something else in FS...


And yet, there are ways to defend yourself from that "something else". You can't lock relics. You can't take relics from guilds that don't have them. You can't do anything about it, whereas that "something else" has plenty of legitimate ways to prevent further loss.


Of course there is, you can take the relic back, or move on to another and let them have it..

Wheres the fun there man ?? :|
Im sure most of players not like that... Its game and we play to make action and fun...


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