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#1 gothador_wega

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 16:33

((base * rock skin * vial) + equipment) * hard shell * blessing of ares * warrior bonus = AC

probably :)

at the very end /shadow penalty if aplicable


exact numbers without any vial and anything in rockskin, hardshell is not showing and with blessing of ares and with warrior bonus:
Total:
AC: 1332 (+967)
Base
AC: 100

so without any penalty:

(100+967)*1.05*1.25 = 1401

1332/1401=0.95= 95% => which means the AC is 5% lower than without any penalties

I hope this clears the confusion with wrong info on trusted sources.

#2 gothador_nibbler

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 16:45

((base * rock skin * vial) + equipment) * hard shell * blessing of ares * warrior bonus = AC

probably :)

at the very end /shadow penalty if aplicable


exact numbers without any vial and anything in rockskin, hardshell is not showing and with blessing of ares and with warrior bonus:
Total:
AC: 1332 (+967)
Base
AC: 100

so without any penalty:

(100+967)*1.05*1.25 = 1401

1332/1401=0.95= 95% => which means the AC is 5% lower than without any penalties

I hope this clears the confusion with wrong info on trusted sources.


Ive submitted a ticket, asked HCS for offical clarification, I dont disagree with what you have posted Wega, but an official confirmation from HCS would confirm this for Goths important info sources.

#3 Geach

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 17:31

hmm seems to be a good indication of ceiling being used also. :lol:

#4 gothador_crace

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 23:56

I hope this clears the confusion with wrong info on trusted sources.


Not sure if something has changed recently, but the stats in g.guide were taken from several shadows after considerable study.

#5 gothador_wega

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 08:48

I hope this clears the confusion with wrong info on trusted sources.


Not sure if something has changed recently, but the stats in g.guide were taken from several shadows after considerable study.


how long ago was the study done? week after shadow masters were introduced?

and yes the penalty was like stated on trusted sources for some time.

maybe its time to revise the study ;)

#6 gothador_tolangardh

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 18:06

((base * rock skin * vial) + equipment) * hard shell * blessing of ares * warrior bonus = AC

probably :)

at the very end /shadow penalty if aplicable


I have access to a Shadow Master and I think I have this right...

exact numbers without any vial and 22 points in rockskin, hardshell is not showing and with blessing of ares and with warrior bonus:
Total AC: 1780 (+944)
Base AC: 395

so without any penalty:

([395*1.22]+944)*1.05*1.25 = 1871

1780/1871=0.95= 95%

#7 gothador_crace

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 18:23

I hope this clears the confusion with wrong info on trusted sources.


Not sure if something has changed recently, but the stats in g.guide were taken from several shadows after considerable study.


how long ago was the study done? week after shadow masters were introduced?


No, not at all. :wink:

We have a team of nerds who regularly number crunch to see what they can find. They don't get out much you see.

#8 gothador_lamentalist

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 06:35

Level 3515 shadow master mage

has the following equipped which contributes to AC
Magi's Zaahar Orb Staff AC+80
Mystical Shimmering Armour AC 225
Active Charmed Pyroxene Ring AC+125
Active Masters Ring of Benev. AC+50
Cryptic Ultimismo Amulet AC+60
Magi's Patriarch Soul Shield AC+215

No Hard Shell, no Rock Skin
Has Blessing of Ares, Mage Class

((base * RockSkin * vial) + gear) * HardShell * BoAres * subclass effect = AC
(( 1                    ) + 755 )             *  105%  *   25%           = 198.45
Currently, AC: 190 (+755)

Difference of ~4%. Something tells me HCS tweaked the AC penalty for Shadows while they were tweaking the miners.

#9 gothador_contumaciou

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Posted 18 December 2007 - 01:32

i can also AC confirm penalty of 5% (from my spreadsheets that figure my vialed stats). while vialed, its -5.2265%, but the rounding can account for that. unvialed, its -5.0781%, again with the rounding, since the AC total is low as a mage.

for a non-shadow mage, my spreadsheet predicts with perfect accuracy both the unvialed and vialed AC, so i have faith that the difference is solely from the shadow penalty.

neither have hard shell or any SPs in rock skin.

#10 gothador_stax

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Posted 14 January 2008 - 23:14

any more confirmations needed for trusted sources? :?

#11 bayer143

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 22:00

Difference of ~4%. Something tells me HCS tweaked the AC penalty for Shadows while they were tweaking the miners.


ummm what tweaking to miners?

#12 gothador_lamentalist

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 01:59

Difference of ~4%. Something tells me HCS tweaked the AC penalty for Shadows while they were tweaking the miners.

ummm what tweaking to miners?

ATK & DEF tweaking. I haven't touched Gothador much in the past 14 months, you should know this better.

#13 gothador_tolangardh

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 03:12

The original penalties for miners were harsher than they are now, so it is possible/probable that the Shadow AC penalty was also lessened at the same time.

#14 gothador_dungler

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 22:44

*Stares blankly at screen*

What is this language you speak... it sounds awfully interesting!

I have a shadow warrior so i have an interest this etc... its just that i understood Stanley Unwin better than i understand you lot.

Is anything happening about this?

I did kinda wonder why ma lil frog has such a poo AC etc :wink:



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