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#401 fs_xvxevilxvx

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:24

Drama queens are never satisfied. You wanted a change, you got a change, so why are you whining ?
If you dont like your position within your band, it's easy... lvlup! You got more potions too.. Place a bounty, hit back or buy yourself PvP protection for the rest of your life. If you cant compete in the ladder, dont pvp.


And, as is so often the case with the blinkered world-view of a PvP player, you cannot conceive of a view outside your own. Here's the thing: some of us would LOVE to "dont pvp"sic, but THE OPTION ISN'T THERE! We can still get hit by those who DO - now how is that equitable?? Oh, and as stated, don't even try to point at this so-called protection that has been introduced - it's way too expensive to be accessible to any but the very richest players - and even most of them would probably balk at just throwing away hundreds of purplies.


You get hit like once, maybe three times, and then your rating isnt good for anybody. Your no longer a target. Youve just "opted" out.

#402 fs_mystraven

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:24

You can keep it all if you give me a cheap deflect-400 buff ;-)


LoL! Brilliant! Where do I sign? :D

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:25

Drama queens are never satisfied. You wanted a change, you got a change, so why are you whining ?
If you dont like your position within your band, it's easy... lvlup! You got more potions too.. Place a bounty, hit back or buy yourself PvP protection for the rest of your life. If you cant compete in the ladder, dont pvp.


And, as is so often the case with the blinkered world-view of a PvP player, you cannot conceive of a view outside your own. Here's the thing: some of us would LOVE to "dont pvp"sic, but THE OPTION ISN'T THERE! We can still get hit by those who DO - now how is that equitable?? Oh, and as stated, don't even try to point at this so-called protection that has been introduced - it's way too expensive to be accessible to any but the very richest players - and even most of them would probably balk at just throwing away hundreds of purplies.


I'm guessing there will soon be an opt-out option, as stated in the update :)

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:26

Let the pvp'ers pvp with themselves. Why force a part of the game down our throats not all of us are interested in.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:27

if i wanted to level i would have, but i decided to gvg as i like the challenge of putting sets together to beat other players. i watched my boyfriend play for over a year and hunting does not thrill me. all he does is hit 1-8 on creatures he easily kills. where is the sport or fun in that? so with this update you are telling me that all i have spent to buy the best gear is useless and i need to level up so that i can have lop sided benefits, and beat up on smaller players?


+1
Very well said. Basically, wouldn't you say that would actually be quite similar to the creature-hunting, which doesn't appeal to you? Smack the defenseless over and over...


But your defending his smacking the defenseless in GVG?

And whats this over and over...your rating wont be usefull after three hits. This is starting to sound like you want pvp to given out for ...if you are wearing the exact same gear setup as the opponent, THEN you can gain rating! And only then! You should be exactly the same level too...

Your funny =)

#406 fs_c00k13puss

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:29

bounty is fine, but where is the competition? my crystal gear wont be repaired threw bounting the player either. i may not lose xp, but my crystal gear will be demolished by players i cant defend against.


On the other hand though, when you reach level 99, you will have the advantage no?


That's no answer. In fact, no it isn't - what it is, is an APPALLING one! There shouldn't be circumstantial "advantages" like this - the advantages should be hard-won by a player's own efforts (and no, I don't mean by levelling up to them!) and carved by their own ingenuity and resourcefulness. What you here, Mr Hoof, are insinuating is that it's a "swings and roundabouts" thing - that the game's balance is maintained not by actual balance, but by imbalances cancelling each other out. Well, there is a saying that contests that: "Two wrongs don't make a right"

Food for thought


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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:30

The easiest solution to the concerns the levelers are raising is to ONLY include XP/gold loss from those within +-10 (the normal way) and to only have rating transfer outside. If there is no damage, xp, or gold lost there is nothing to worry about.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:30

Let the pvp'ers pvp with themselves. Why force a part of the game down our throats not all of us are interested in.



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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:30

Let the pvp'ers pvp with themselves. Why force a part of the game down our throats not all of us are interested in.


Yeah, and don't force the Pvp'ers to level, let them just choose the level they want to be at and give them all the gear they want free of charge. Sounds fair to me :-)

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:32

Drama queens are never satisfied. You wanted a change, you got a change, so why are you whining ?
If you dont like your position within your band, it's easy... lvlup! You got more potions too.. Place a bounty, hit back or buy yourself PvP protection for the rest of your life. If you cant compete in the ladder, dont pvp.


And, as is so often the case with the blinkered world-view of a PvP player, you cannot conceive of a view outside your own. Here's the thing: some of us would LOVE to "dont pvp"sic, but THE OPTION ISN'T THERE! We can still get hit by those who DO - now how is that equitable?? Oh, and as stated, don't even try to point at this so-called protection that has been introduced - it's way too expensive to be accessible to any but the very richest players - and even most of them would probably balk at just throwing away hundreds of purplies.


You get hit like once, maybe three times, and then your rating isnt good for anybody. Your no longer a target. Youve just "opted" out.



EXCEPT WHEN PEOPLE ARE HITTING YOU FOR REASONS OUTSIDE OF PVP.. now a guild can sick as many players within a band to completely destroy somebody..

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:33

The easiest solution to the concerns the levelers are raising is to ONLY include XP/gold loss from those within +-10 (the normal way) and to only have rating transfer outside. If there is no damage, xp, or gold lost there is nothing to worry about.


+1

.. and yes, that way the brave knights can still joust against eachother for internal satisfaction and role played heroism without spearing people who are just walking by the jousting field
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#412 fs_c00k13puss

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:35

Let the pvp'ers pvp with themselves. Why force a part of the game down our throats not all of us are interested in.


Yeah, and don't force the Pvp'ers to level, let them just choose the level they want to be at and give them all the gear they want free of charge. Sounds fair to me :-)



nobody is asking anybody to give free gear.. now you're being a smart ass..

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:36

EXCEPT WHEN PEOPLE ARE HITTING YOU FOR REASONS OUTSIDE OF PVP.. now a guild can sick as many players within a band to completely destroy somebody..[/quote]




...no, those outside 10 levels would have little effect

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:39

EXCEPT WHEN PEOPLE ARE HITTING YOU FOR REASONS OUTSIDE OF PVP.. now a guild can sick as many players within a band to completely destroy somebody..


Well...try not to anger an entire guild ehhh? Not to mention, they do that with bounty parties anyways.

Interestingly, the Warrior Kings have been strangely silent on this one... ROFL.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:42



EXCEPT WHEN PEOPLE ARE HITTING YOU FOR REASONS OUTSIDE OF PVP.. now a guild can sick as many players within a band to completely destroy somebody..


Well...try not to anger an entire guild ehhh? Not to mention, they do that with bounty parties anyways.

Interestingly, the Warrior Kings have been strangely silent on this one... ROFL.


We're busy burning stam.

#416 fs_vertex15

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:44

Drama queens are never satisfied. You wanted a change, you got a change, so why are you whining ?
If you dont like your position within your band, it's easy... lvlup! You got more potions too.. Place a bounty, hit back or buy yourself PvP protection for the rest of your life. If you cant compete in the ladder, dont pvp.


And, as is so often the case with the blinkered world-view of a PvP player, you cannot conceive of a view outside your own. Here's the thing: some of us would LOVE to "dont pvp"sic, but THE OPTION ISN'T THERE! We can still get hit by those who DO - now how is that equitable?? Oh, and as stated, don't even try to point at this so-called protection that has been introduced - it's way too expensive to be accessible to any but the very richest players - and even most of them would probably balk at just throwing away hundreds of purplies.


You'll get hit even if you dont want to.. It's a PvP game after all. You have to deal with it... And since evryone is after rating, you wont get hit when your rating is below 1000.. only a 10stam hit can get you below that.

#417 fs_mystraven

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:44

Drama queens are never satisfied. You wanted a change, you got a change, so why are you whining ?
If you dont like your position within your band, it's easy... lvlup! You got more potions too.. Place a bounty, hit back or buy yourself PvP protection for the rest of your life. If you cant compete in the ladder, dont pvp.


And, as is so often the case with the blinkered world-view of a PvP player, you cannot conceive of a view outside your own. Here's the thing: some of us would LOVE to "dont pvp"sic, but THE OPTION ISN'T THERE! We can still get hit by those who DO - now how is that equitable?? Oh, and as stated, don't even try to point at this so-called protection that has been introduced - it's way too expensive to be accessible to any but the very richest players - and even most of them would probably balk at just throwing away hundreds of purplies.


You get hit like once, maybe three times, and then your rating isnt good for anybody. Your no longer a target. Youve just "opted" out.


Unacceptable - that involuntary "opt-out" has, in the meantime, cost me close to half a level. Now, if I were carrying tons of gold, it would serve me right. But when I am carrying a few coppers, and some thug trying to win tokens 100-stams me for 5 rating points, the system is seriously f***ed. I'm not chasing after those tokens - hell, I'm not even in the audience of that particular boxing match! I'm merely crossing the road nearby on my way to my own affairs - so HTF is it that one of the "boxers" gets rewarded by coming outside and punching me in the face? In fact, how is it that the other one can come out and do exactly the same, and ALSO gain score? This system is complete bull. For PvP achievement to hold meaning, it should be strictly between willing participants. Do I challenge someone who doesn't play StarCraft to a game, then declare myself the winner when they decline? No - because that would be totally ludicrous. So is the FS "PvP" system, always has been...

(As an aside, here are some of the games and sports I have played competitively, ranging from inter-school/university, through club level, and up to national level: chess, volleyball, table-tennis, Quake, StarCraft [both of them], Command&Conquer, Magic: The Gathering, Call of Duty, WarHammer 40K. You will notice both individual and team-based games there. FS's so-called "PvP" hold very, very little in the way of skill-based competition. In fact, it has very little in common with ANY test of skill between opponents, so referring to it as "PvP" is a complete farce.)

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:45

I Love the opt out possibility....thanks a lot cows for finally listening to non pvp-ers as well.

I have never liked the pvp aspect of the game, and never will do, so for me its great to be able to opt out..only a week ago someone attacked me just after I hunted and I had over 5 mill on hand, and that hurt.a lot..also lost a lot of my hard earned xp, so I was not happy.


but I do think the opt out is a bit too expensive, now that I have looked at it

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:45



EXCEPT WHEN PEOPLE ARE HITTING YOU FOR REASONS OUTSIDE OF PVP.. now a guild can sick as many players within a band to completely destroy somebody..


Well...try not to anger an entire guild ehhh? Not to mention, they do that with bounty parties anyways.

Interestingly, the Warrior Kings have been strangely silent on this one... ROFL.


We're busy burning stam.


Well, that, and the fact that c00k13puss obviously hasn't been reading the forums the last few days to have figured out how to circumvent that. I'll stay silent about it, and let them figure it out themselves.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 20:47

Drama queens are never satisfied. You wanted a change, you got a change, so why are you whining ?
If you dont like your position within your band, it's easy... lvlup! You got more potions too.. Place a bounty, hit back or buy yourself PvP protection for the rest of your life. If you cant compete in the ladder, dont pvp.


And, as is so often the case with the blinkered world-view of a PvP player, you cannot conceive of a view outside your own. Here's the thing: some of us would LOVE to "dont pvp"sic, but THE OPTION ISN'T THERE! We can still get hit by those who DO - now how is that equitable?? Oh, and as stated, don't even try to point at this so-called protection that has been introduced - it's way too expensive to be accessible to any but the very richest players - and even most of them would probably balk at just throwing away hundreds of purplies.


I'm guessing there will soon be an opt-out option, as stated in the update :)


Ummm... you may want to re-read my post, carefully this time. OK, I'll save you the trouble, because I'm such a nice guy (or because I have no patience for this!): the opt-out they mentioned is ALREADY IN the game - but it's way too ridiculously expensive to be realistic - hell, I don't even MAKE FSPs fast enough to keep up, even if I were to sink every last one that I made into it, which would, of course, mean that I would no longer be upgrading my character. In other words, this purchased protection may as well not even be there, as far as most of us are concerned.


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