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Should we tweak the PvP Protection?

  1. Voted Its perfect as it is (95 votes [47.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.26%

  2. Voted Change it to allow gold loss (106 votes [52.74%])

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#261 evilbry

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 20:54

as for putting money where your mouth is, pay to opt out if it was at a reasonable price i would pay
the difference is i don't steal other players gold to buy the things i want spending most of my time helping players and my guild which can be reflected in my bio im L381 and joined the game on 17/Nov/2007 yet you are L941 and joined the game on 28/Dec/2007

Mmmm way to make it personal.

Luis doesn't steal gold to buy the things he wants, in fact do you notice he has a crystal gold hoarder medal? Do you really thing he needs to steal a little gold to get by in the game?

Your post reeks of envy, simply put.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 21:10


as for putting money where your mouth is, pay to opt out if it was at a reasonable price i would pay
the difference is i don't steal other players gold to buy the things i want spending most of my time helping players and my guild which can be reflected in my bio im L381 and joined the game on 17/Nov/2007 yet you are L941 and joined the game on 28/Dec/2007

Mmmm way to make it personal.

Luis doesn't steal gold to buy the things he wants, in fact do you notice he has a crystal gold hoarder medal? Do you really thing he needs to steal a little gold to get by in the game?

Your post reeks of envy, simply put.


you are probably right at L900+ luisspamer has evolved to a point he dose not need gold any more and for the perception i was calling luisspamer a gold robber i apologise.

just too many do steal gold and never returning it .

the changes have made a situation where the PvPers and bounty hunters are attacking every thing that moves in the game to gain tokens and prestige i personally dont like PvP and if the price for protection was reasonable i would buy it and not have to support it in this thread

as for envy, simply put. his achievements are very good and i take my hat off to him for his achievements
like i did say we play the game in different ways me i spent my time making good friends having fun chat and helping others grow in the game

#263 DaleJunior

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 22:54


1 year =200 FsP

If they did this, it would be game over for alot on the other side.

I know I thought about quitting the game when they introduced an opt out after a member of hcs said that there would never be one (viewtopic.php?p=1059721#p1059721) and if they made it that available, even with all the rest of your proposed changes, I know I would be out of here.

Note that isnt a threat to the cows at all, I cant really afford to donate anyways so its no real loss for them to have me out of the game except possible income gains from the offers I havent touched since they have ignored gvg and allowed it to be the farce it is. Im just saying, if they were to do that, that would be how I would take it, as the game would make no sense to me at all anymore. PvP always validated leveling and gave it purpose, what you describe isnt the FS I fell in love with.


Hello. If you quit this game I will come to Vermont and track you down. I'm not going through that again!!! Game won't be the game if you did that. Have a nice day.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 23:12

this is an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER ROLEPLAYING GAME.

ROLEPLAYING= not everyone chooses to be a shiny paladin with boring "very good" alignment whose only task is to rid the lands of evil monsters.

All these emo , moralististic, real-life-analogies make me puke. Game would be utterly boring without the "bad guys". Period.

#265 sweetlou

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 23:17

just too many do steal gold and never returning it.

Don't hold any on hand. After having Billions in my bank I never carry more then a few 1000 gold on hand. It's too easy to dump, buying useful pots, depositing, etc.

the changes have made a situation where the PvPers and bounty hunters are attacking every thing that moves in the game to gain tokens and prestige i personally dont like PvP and if the price for protection was reasonable i would buy it and not have to support it in this thread

Why do you take being attacked as a personal affront to you? It's a game you've been playing for 3 years, a role playing game. Just because the devs are actually developing a portion of the game you dislike you now just want relief from them. And for what? You lose some PvP rating you could care less about. Bounty attacks.

as for envy, simply put. his achievements are very good and i take my hat off to him for his achievements
like i did say we play the game in different ways me i spent my time making good friends having fun chat and helping others grow in the game

Since, you were going over my bio resume... I'm curious what it is you play? Level 381 after 3 years. You don't PvP. No arena wins. Maxed stam. Inactive for over a day. When do you play? Leave the feedback to those who actually play the game instead of using the game as a social crutch.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 23:56

All right I will try to keep it small. PVP will be a part of the game I have to accept that. I do not have to accept the losses or the 100 stamina hits, or the buffed out the wazoo for prestige and ladder climbing. Take these options out. Make it a minimum xp and gold loss, (especially if one is not partaking in pvp, IE 0 attacks + less than a 0.5% XP and gold loss) Like I have said before in other posts, even the playing field. Like the arena No Buffs, or maybe 1-3 buffs that are a damage buff so to speak. No 100 stamina hit in the ladder. I am saying all this because I do not PVP. I had too much trouble trying to complete the quest at lower levels that I gave up. I am not willing to go through the trouble of researching how to win the pvp fights. It is bad enough to do the leveling research. I do not even partake in the GVG because I do not understand the technique. Any way when people go through the trouble to buff and armor up, and then, as some one once said, even buff targets so they can beat them. It seams to me it is like shooting fish in a barrel. No sport. That is like Setting a snare to trap a animal so you can go and shoot it. When I go leveling/hunting I do not deposit gold because I only have 4 deposits. So when I burn off the 3k stamina I have I some times have 800k+ at the end of my hunt, then before I deposit I get a 100 stamina hit taking 25% and I have no recourse. By the time I discover it, they have dumped it and are buffed out of my range. Truthfully when I started this game I was excited. It reminded me alot of the D&D 2nd addition game. Now it is going to the PVP and leveling is a challenge that has gone way beyond just the hunt. Now when I want to hunt I have to figure out who to ask to hold gold for me, remember to dump that gold, armor up and figure out buffs to hunt and protect against the critters. Now on top of all that how to protect against PVP losses also. As I see it in six months to a year My kind of player will be a Historic joke and Fallen Swords will be strictly a PVP game with no hunting or leveling except through the PVP ladder. For in the almost to two years I have played it has gone from a minor PVP to near dominant PVP. So much for keeping it small. Sorry. OH BTW I am unemployed so I have little money to spend on a game that gives me no return on that investment, except a alternative to Television.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 00:11

this is an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER ROLEPLAYING GAME.

ROLEPLAYING= not everyone chooses to be a shiny paladin with boring "very good" alignment whose only task is to rid the lands of evil monsters.

All these emo , moralististic, real-life-analogies make me puke. Game would be utterly boring without the "bad guys". Period.

This is not an attack on your age but I say you are under 21. You may not have had enough experience in having what you work to achieve tumble do to the greed of another. As in Job cutbacks, Because the CEO wants another 3.4 million added to their salary. Does not happen too often you say I was employed at K-Mart when all the cuts went down. The year before the CEO Retired from a 4 year seat were his salary was 4.4 million. I fortunately rented at that time but a lot of people who thought they had a long term job lost their homes and all.

So based on your comments "shiny paladin with boring "very good" alignment", "real-life-analogies make me puke", "Game would be utterly boring without the "bad guys"". You bad guys playing people are the drug lord and Donald Trumps of the game and will eventually take the game to a dead grind to were the game will die with out us Paladin types.

#268 mickabooth

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 00:18

All right I will try to keep it small. PVP will be a part of the game I have to accept that. I do not have to accept the losses or the 100 stamina hits, or the buffed out the wazoo for prestige and ladder climbing. Take these options out. Make it a minimum xp and gold loss, (especially if one is not partaking in pvp, IE 0 attacks + less than a 0.5% XP and gold loss) Like I have said before in other posts, even the playing field. Like the arena No Buffs, or maybe 1-3 buffs that are a damage buff so to speak. No 100 stamina hit in the ladder. I am saying all this because I do not PVP. I had too much trouble trying to complete the quest at lower levels that I gave up. I am not willing to go through the trouble of researching how to win the pvp fights. It is bad enough to do the leveling research. I do not even partake in the GVG because I do not understand the technique. Any way when people go through the trouble to buff and armor up, and then, as some one once said, even buff targets so they can beat them. It seams to me it is like shooting fish in a barrel. No sport. That is like Setting a snare to trap a animal so you can go and shoot it. When I go leveling/hunting I do not deposit gold because I only have 4 deposits. So when I burn off the 3k stamina I have I some times have 800k+ at the end of my hunt, then before I deposit I get a 100 stamina hit taking 25% and I have no recourse. By the time I discover it, they have dumped it and are buffed out of my range. Truthfully when I started this game I was excited. It reminded me alot of the D&D 2nd addition game. Now it is going to the PVP and leveling is a challenge that has gone way beyond just the hunt. Now when I want to hunt I have to figure out who to ask to hold gold for me, remember to dump that gold, armor up and figure out buffs to hunt and protect against the critters. Now on top of all that how to protect against PVP losses also. As I see it in six months to a year My kind of player will be a Historic joke and Fallen Swords will be strictly a PVP game with no hunting or leveling except through the PVP ladder. For in the almost to two years I have played it has gone from a minor PVP to near dominant PVP. So much for keeping it small. Sorry. OH BTW I am unemployed so I have little money to spend on a game that gives me no return on that investment, except a alternative to Television.


1+ you said it exactly as i see it as well

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 00:48

All right I will try to keep it small. PVP will be a part of the game I have to accept that. I do not have to accept the losses or the 100 stamina hits, or the buffed out the wazoo for prestige and ladder climbing. Take these options out. Make it a minimum xp and gold loss, (especially if one is not partaking in pvp, IE 0 attacks + less than a 0.5% XP and gold loss) Like I have said before in other posts, even the playing field. Like the arena No Buffs, or maybe 1-3 buffs that are a damage buff so to speak. No 100 stamina hit in the ladder. I am saying all this because I do not PVP. I had too much trouble trying to complete the quest at lower levels that I gave up. I am not willing to go through the trouble of researching how to win the pvp fights. It is bad enough to do the leveling research. I do not even partake in the GVG because I do not understand the technique. Any way when people go through the trouble to buff and armor up, and then, as some one once said, even buff targets so they can beat them. It seams to me it is like shooting fish in a barrel. No sport. That is like Setting a snare to trap a animal so you can go and shoot it. When I go leveling/hunting I do not deposit gold because I only have 4 deposits. So when I burn off the 3k stamina I have I some times have 800k+ at the end of my hunt, then before I deposit I get a 100 stamina hit taking 25% and I have no recourse. By the time I discover it, they have dumped it and are buffed out of my range. Truthfully when I started this game I was excited. It reminded me alot of the D&D 2nd addition game. Now it is going to the PVP and leveling is a challenge that has gone way beyond just the hunt. Now when I want to hunt I have to figure out who to ask to hold gold for me, remember to dump that gold, armor up and figure out buffs to hunt and protect against the critters. Now on top of all that how to protect against PVP losses also. As I see it in six months to a year My kind of player will be a Historic joke and Fallen Swords will be strictly a PVP game with no hunting or leveling except through the PVP ladder. For in the almost to two years I have played it has gone from a minor PVP to near dominant PVP. So much for keeping it small. Sorry. OH BTW I am unemployed so I have little money to spend on a game that gives me no return on that investment, except a alternative to Television.


Marketplace. During your hunt. If you wait until the end of your hunt to get rid of gold, then you are doing it wrong.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 00:51

Since, you were going over my bio resume... I'm curious what it is you play? Level 381 after 3 years. You don't PvP. No arena wins. Maxed stam. Inactive for over a day. When do you play? Leave the feedback to those who actually play the game instead of using the game as a social crutch.


i have said all along i dont do or like PvP there for it would only be a fact that i would not have any arena wins or PvP ratings

i have max stam as i stopped playing after a single player with so many buffs that even a titan would have struggled to fend off did a 100 stam hit robbing all the gold in hand i was holding in one hit then passing it over to a guild member out of range

why am i still only L381 simple i was the founder of the guild im in buying 75% of the guild items and structures buffing all are members along with the members of over 4 other guilds for free along with selling buffs

any stam i did have left went on hunting and doing all the quests i come across even going back for some i missed

you say you had over Billions in your bank so how did you get the gold from hunting or PvPing
( i bet it was PvP )

i was on line almost every day and when i needed FsP i would buy them so when i do work for something i take offence to players coming out of the woodwork robbing it why should i buy potions i dont need just to hold on to my hard earned

and to say bounty the player why waist more gold and FsP to bounty an attacker just to see them on the BB and lose a bit of XP i would rather keep the gold and XP i have

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:27

i have said all along i dont do or like PvP there for it would only be a fact that i would not have any arena wins or PvP ratings

i have max stam as i stopped playing after a single player with so many buffs that even a titan would have struggled to fend off did a 100 stam hit robbing all the gold in hand i was holding in one hit then passing it over to a guild member out of range

why am i still only L381 simple i was the founder of the guild im in buying 75% of the guild items and structures buffing all are members along with the members of over 4 other guilds for free along with selling buffs

any stam i did have left went on hunting and doing all the quests i come across even going back for some i missed

you say you had over Billions in your bank so how did you get the gold from hunting or PvPing
( i bet it was PvP )

i was on line almost every day and when i needed FsP i would buy them so when i do work for something i take offence to players coming out of the woodwork robbing it why should i buy potions i dont need just to hold on to my hard earned

and to say bounty the player why waist more gold and FsP to bounty an attacker just to see them on the BB and lose a bit of XP i would rather keep the gold and XP i have



You never answered my question why you take an attack on your character as a personal affront? It isn't an attack on you personally. It is how the game is played and frankly how it has always been played. This is a role-playing game. Maybe you missed that part and got used to the little leveling bubble you were once in. The game evolves. Adapting is part of playing.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:28

Since, you were going over my bio resume... I'm curious what it is you play? Level 381 after 3 years. You don't PvP. No arena wins. Maxed stam. Inactive for over a day. When do you play? Leave the feedback to those who actually play the game instead of using the game as a social crutch.


i have said all along i dont do or like PvP there for it would only be a fact that i would not have any arena wins or PvP ratings

i have max stam as i stopped playing after a single player with so many buffs that even a titan would have struggled to fend off did a 100 stam hit robbing all the gold in hand i was holding in one hit then passing it over to a guild member out of range

why am i still only L381 simple i was the founder of the guild im in buying 75% of the guild items and structures buffing all are members along with the members of over 4 other guilds for free along with selling buffs

any stam i did have left went on hunting and doing all the quests i come across even going back for some i missed

*gold star, well done* but it doesn't make you any more special than anyone else in the game.

you say you had over Billions in your bank so how did you get the gold from hunting or PvPing
( i bet it was PvP )

I bet it wasn't.

i was on line almost every day and when i needed FsP i would buy them so when i do work for something i take offence to players coming out of the woodwork robbing it why should i buy potions i dont need just to hold on to my hard earned

and to say bounty the player why waist more gold and FsP to bounty an attacker just to see them on the BB and lose a bit of XP i would rather keep the gold and XP i have


Now here's the thing. Players who come out playing victims don't get any sympathy. Playing the whole woe is me card gets tiresome.

Things to consider.

- If a pvper hit you for Gold or Rating, and you don't bounty. What message is that sending? "Hey guys, feel free to walk over me". Many of the new faces appearing on the 'ladders' feel their XP is holier than thou also, and don't like the risk of losing said XP. The 'New Faces' will take rating/gold but once they start losing XP, they will turn their attention to other targets.

- Some basic buffs can also deter some of the 'New Faces', Especially Deflect. These can be picked up cheap, and yes if you want to send a message, you can bounty for a deflected hit.

- Talk with a regular pvper, and they will often happily advise you on a gear setup you could use for the cost of gold, which could also deter some attacks.

Now if you consider these things to be too expensive, or a waste, you only have yourself to blame. There are plenty of ways to avoid being a target. It's up to you to use them however.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 02:05

This is not an attack on your age but I say you are under 21. You may not have had enough experience in having what you work to achieve tumble do to the greed of another. As in Job cutbacks, Because the CEO wants another 3.4 million added to their salary. Does not happen too often you say I was employed at K-Mart when all the cuts went down. The year before the CEO Retired from a 4 year seat were his salary was 4.4 million. I fortunately rented at that time but a lot of people who thought they had a long term job lost their homes and all.

So based on your comments "shiny paladin with boring "very good" alignment", "real-life-analogies make me puke", "Game would be utterly boring without the "bad guys"". You bad guys playing people are the drug lord and Donald Trumps of the game and will eventually take the game to a dead grind to were the game will die with out us Paladin types.


:shock:

In my real life I have fought CEO´s and cutbacks for the 20 years I have been a working man.
The Donald Trumps of FS are not the PVP-ers. The best parallell I would find is merchants level 1000 selling infernus to beginners for 1 FSP. Thats evil if you want to apply RL-morals to a game.

If K-mart were exploting the work-force : get organized. Go on strike. Just like in FS: if you dont like PVP-ers, hit them back , harder.

And not everyone playing FS is from the US :idea:

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 02:08

i have max stam as i stopped playing after a single player with so many buffs that even a titan would have struggled to fend off did a 100 stam hit robbing all the gold in hand i was holding in one hit then passing it over to a guild member out of range

why am i still only L381 simple i was the founder of the guild im in buying 75% of the guild items and structures buffing all are members along with the members of over 4 other guilds for free along with selling buffs

any stam i did have left went on hunting and doing all the quests i come across even going back for some i missed

you say you had over Billions in your bank so how did you get the gold from hunting or PvPing
( i bet it was PvP )

i was on line almost every day and when i needed FsP i would buy them so when i do work for something i take offence to players coming out of the woodwork robbing it why should i buy potions i dont need just to hold on to my hard earned

and to say bounty the player why waist more gold and FsP to bounty an attacker just to see them on the BB and lose a bit of XP i would rather keep the gold and XP i have


A piece of advice :
You should really try thinking harder about what you are doing wrong in game if your guild or character is not prospering. That you can never blame PVP for. If you do so you just prove my point again.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 02:19

And not everyone playing FS is from the US :idea:

We certainly don't all have the super speeds available to players living in the US close to where the game servers are located. ;)

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 05:45

luiss,

if you check the history of the game and do some research you will know that it was possible to bounty all attacks at one time; approximately 3-4 months after my join date. I know this to be true because i have done it. it was very short lived and written off as a "glitch" and was "fixed."

As for not understanding the "mechanics" of PvP, trust me, i do understand. I just choose to do other things with my stam.

Say what you will and flame me all you want, this is the FOREMOST reason i DO NOT contribute to the forum threads. Take the time to digest what was said in the thread between your reply to my post which you responded to up to this one. I am NOT surprised that it turned into a flame discussion by many members with "tunnel vision." IMO, these threads are filled with too much deconstructive criticism and off topic replies and most of the threads are a dramafest.

I take my hits like a big boy and simply bounty ALL ATTACKS, or if push comes to shove, I arrange a party to be launched at a convenient time for the number of hitters I have arranged that choose to attend said party WITHOUT INCENTIVES. I do not believe in Mercs and would never pay per level taken and every bounty i put on the board is ALWAYS for the minimum amount of gold.

I believe that every attack should be bountyable because of what i would call a nuisance attacker, which is a player that constantly hits as often as possible to merely be a pain in the behind; in other words, not for gold and certainly not for rating or prestige if said player is attacking while the attacked player is offline. If that player wishes to attack that often for no reason, then he or she should take those consequences into account, ESPECIALLY if said attacker chooses to attack that often for nothing.

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 17:02

There should be another option to the PVP protection:
- 1 hour for 1 fsp. (this should stack, making 3 hours protection for 3 fsp)

Then you can keep the rest as it is :-) (at least in my opinion)



good idea, i like +1

1 fsp to make a load of gold, while hunting,

or a potion or somthing in AH so it maybe even cheaper,

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 22:05

There should be another option to the PVP protection:
- 1 hour for 1 fsp. (this should stack, making 3 hours protection for 3 fsp)

Then you can keep the rest as it is :-) (at least in my opinion)



good idea, i like +1

1 fsp to make a load of gold, while hunting,

or a potion or somthing in AH so it maybe even cheaper,


1 hour for 1 fsp protection sounds a good idea but it also sounds like putting coins in the phone box
24 FsP a day protection
168 FsP for a week's protection
8756 FsP for a year's protection

and that is only if you can accumulate the protection

where as if the costs were

+24 Hours PvP Protection [ ? ] 1 [FallenSword Points]
+7 Days PvP Protection [ ? ] 5 [FallenSword Points]
+28 Days PvP Protection [ ? ] 10 [FallenSword Points]

the cost is reasonable for most players
giving none PvP players the chance to "" opt out "" of PvP

i do like the potion option as well but the cost will be really high as loads of players will want them

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 15:18

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 15:52

There should be another option to the PVP protection:
- 1 hour for 1 fsp. (this should stack, making 3 hours protection for 3 fsp)

Then you can keep the rest as it is :-) (at least in my opinion)



good idea, i like +1

1 fsp to make a load of gold, while hunting,

or a potion or somthing in AH so it maybe even cheaper,


1 hour for 1 fsp protection sounds a good idea but it also sounds like putting coins in the phone box
24 FsP a day protection
168 FsP for a week's protection
8756 FsP for a year's protection

and that is only if you can accumulate the protection

where as if the costs were

+24 Hours PvP Protection [ ? ] 1 [FallenSword Points]
+7 Days PvP Protection [ ? ] 5 [FallenSword Points]
+28 Days PvP Protection [ ? ] 10 [FallenSword Points]

the cost is reasonable for most players
giving none PvP players the chance to "" opt out "" of PvP

i do like the potion option as well but the cost will be really high as loads of players will want them





A majority of PvP is due to Gold hits etc..albeit has increased due to the new ladder ( rating hits) Having a cheap opt out would pretty much destroy the whole point of pvp in the game... gold theft and a gold sink etc... everyone who didnt pvp would buy the opt out then hunt lol.That's plain silly. There are plenty of ways to sell off gold, dump it, buy items,potions etc...heck you even have a BANK for it ;)


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