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Poll: Should we tweak the PvP Protection? (201 member(s) have cast votes)

Should we tweak the PvP Protection?

  1. Voted Its perfect as it is (95 votes [47.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.26%

  2. Voted Change it to allow gold loss (106 votes [52.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.74%

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#21 fs_alphaveron

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:05

I have to say that it really needs to be made cheaper. How many players can afford to spend 10 fsp every 24 hours? Even those players that are willing and able to buy a lot of fsp for this will be unable to use it much because of the very high cost. And free players definitely would not be able to use it at all, i do not think any free player ever makes 10 fsp a day from playing the game any which way.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:06

We would change the FSP cost if it only protected XP otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile.


It would probably get used more. Gold is what you give to the guild and buy the occasional potion with. Not good for much else except when forging more gear.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:07

Since the other thread is locked could someone who might know the answer to this question please take the time to answer? With how the PvP Protection is currently it states: "If you use PvP Protection, you will be excluded from the PvP Ladder until it next resets. Note also you will not be allocated a PvP Band if you have PvP Protection activated when the PvP Ladder resets."

So does this mean that upon activating this protection I will no longer be in a PvP Band meaning that I can't hit or be hit for rating until the ladder resets? Or is it I just can't attack to get rating, but still can lose rating from people attacking me after the protection period is over?

Thanks to anyone who takes the time to clear this up for me.

#24 Davros81

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:15

there is an xp lock already, people need to learn that PvP is a major part of this game whether they like it or not, also they need to grow a pair

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:15

Leave it as is.

I do think you should have it so that players besides the person using the block aren't able to see the duration to prevent griefing. I can just picture it now, PvP player sees target is blocked, sees time, waits for the timer to run out and then 100 stam hitting hourly until the block is placed again because they were ticked off about being blocked when they initially wanted to hit.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:22

It just surprises me to see an opt out finally on the table, and still there are complaints. There was never supposed to be one at all. Now there is. It's been said on multiple occasions and with more than reasonable authority that this is a pvp game. Still you get an option to sit that out, for a price. The ability to hide the fact that you've chosen that route should not be something you can do, and the gold sink should remain.

#27 fs_zocc1

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:24

If you can lose gold with this activated you might as well just remove the full thing. There is already an upgrade to lock your exp and if your a leveler your pvp rating doesn't matter anyways.

Also I would like to point out that if everyone is so concerned about it causing the price fsps to rise. Why not just have the upgrade cost 1,500,000 gold for 1 day of protection and 30,000,000 gold for the 28 days. That would be a bigger gold sink then pvp will ever be. I can tell you that I have never lost 30,000,000 gold in a month from pvp and never will. And fsps would drop a "LOT" when someone bought that upgrade... (If it protects from gold loss why not have it cost gold...)

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:25

Protect XP=25 FSP. Since I level weekly, then the XP lock is less expensive than the monthly PvP protection.

Adding gold loss would actually defeat the purpose for PvP protection in my opinion.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:34

Protect XP=25 FSP. Since I level weekly, then the XP lock is less expensive than the monthly PvP protection.

Adding gold loss would actually defeat the purpose for PvP protection in my opinion.




Then they should get rid of PvP protection...no?

#30 Bleltch

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:38

Protect XP=25 FSP. Since I level weekly, then the XP lock is less expensive than the monthly PvP protection.

Adding gold loss would actually defeat the purpose for PvP protection in my opinion.




Then they should get rid of PvP protection...no?

That would be ideal, but gold loss has to be allowed. There are too many ways exploit things if gold is blocked.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:38

Protect XP=25 FSP. Since I level weekly, then the XP lock is less expensive than the monthly PvP protection.

Adding gold loss would actually defeat the purpose for PvP protection in my opinion.




Then they should get rid of PvP protection...no?


Not if players want to protect their gold as well as their XP. If a player wants to protect both, then for the higher level players, the amount of gold they would bring in, would make it advantageous to have the PvP protection without the gold loss.

If you add gold loss to the PvP Protection, and make it so that only the XP is preserved, then I would rather spend 100 FSP monthly to lock my XP, and find an alternate way to preserve my gold.

#32 Maehdros

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:40

there are already tonnes of ways to preserve your gold...PvP is about gold....an opt out....not allowing gold loss..would give guilds an untouchable banker... players would remain untouched... playing the market.. etc.. you think thats fair?

#33 fs_regnier7

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:40

Protect XP=25 FSP. Since I level weekly, then the XP lock is less expensive than the monthly PvP protection.

Adding gold loss would actually defeat the purpose for PvP protection in my opinion.

-Think- of the possible abuse with only so many being able to pay for this "protection"

No fear of being hit = easily being able to jack up the marketplace and make profit there.



Gold loss should stay, in my opinion.


Hoof already said the price would change if this was done.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:40

Protect XP=25 FSP. Since I level weekly, then the XP lock is less expensive than the monthly PvP protection.

Adding gold loss would actually defeat the purpose for PvP protection in my opinion.




Then they should get rid of PvP protection...no?

That would be ideal, but gold loss has to be allowed. There are too many ways exploit things if gold is blocked.


Players will always find a way to "exploit" things, no matter what safe guards are put into place.

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:41

get rid of tokens connected to pvp = you dont get hits for ratings from random peeps and only get well deserved gold hits. If in guild war use the old xp-lock thingee and deflect. End of story.

And best protection against gold hits would be to change the "view pvp targets list" but nobody talks about that. Finding gold targets took skill in the old days, now they just show up lmao and levelers are not even mentioning this. Ahh the ignorance.

#36 fs_evfisher

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:42

Protect XP=25 FSP. Since I level weekly, then the XP lock is less expensive than the monthly PvP protection.

Adding gold loss would actually defeat the purpose for PvP protection in my opinion.

-Think- of the possible abuse with only so many being able to pay for this "protection"

No fear of being hit = easily being able to jack up the marketplace and make profit there.



Gold loss should stay, in my opinion.


Hoof already said the price would change if this was done.


Will the monthly price come down to below 100 FSP a month? I highly doubt it.

#37 sweetlou

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:42

Protect XP=25 FSP. Since I level weekly, then the XP lock is less expensive than the monthly PvP protection.

Adding gold loss would actually defeat the purpose for PvP protection in my opinion.




Then they should get rid of PvP protection...no?


Not if players want to protect their gold as well as their XP. If a player wants to protect both, then for the higher level players, the amount of gold they would bring in, would make it advantageous to have the PvP protection without the gold loss.

If you add gold loss to the PvP Protection, and make it so that only the XP is preserved, then I would rather spend 100 FSP monthly to lock my XP, and find an alternate way to preserve my gold.

But you are buying gold protection for anyone that sends you gold as well, becoming a bank for others.

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#38 fs_evfisher

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:43

get rid of tokens connected to pvp = you dont get hits for ratings from random peeps and only get well deserved gold hits. If in guild war use the old xp-lock thingee and deflect. End of story.

And best protection against gold hits would be to change the "view pvp targets list" but nobody talks about that. Finding gold targets took skill in the old days, now they just show up lmao and levelers are not even mentioning this. Ahh the ignorance.



Why would levelers mention something that we have already been told wouldn't happen and has been beaten to death?

#39 fs_regnier7

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:45

Will the monthly price come down to below 100 FSP a month? I highly doubt it.

We don't know what the price would be reduced to, I'm just asking that an open mind be kept. I don't even PvP much so I don't care that much if it is nerfed. But hoof has put great effort into fixing marketplace loopholes and adding gold sinks so that the marketplace stays at a reasonable level.

Why would he go and screw that up by bringing in something that could lead to potentially more marketplace abuse?

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 22:47

Pretty much the only reason people would want it is to protect themselves from gold/xp loss seriously look at the price to do it
cows i think you failed in doing it as fsp.
gold would have been a much better option as i have talked to a few people i know that are not pvpers (myself included) and i can say honestly that why would i pay 10 fsp to lock me out of pvp for 1 day if i am worried about xp loss due to pvp i can spend 25 fsp lock my xp for as long as i sit at my current lvland with my stam that is almost 2weeks
the prices for the lock vs the time are inane and i dont see them being used
i know i will never use them and the fact that you made them fsp when there is already too much gold in the game kinda baffles me


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