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Poll: Should we tweak the PvP Protection? (201 member(s) have cast votes)

Should we tweak the PvP Protection?

  1. Voted Its perfect as it is (95 votes [47.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.26%

  2. Voted Change it to allow gold loss (106 votes [52.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.74%

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#61 Ramses1977

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 23:43

Is there an option that says you hate any type of PvP protection? Seems like neither of these options are acceptable to me.

I think that the answer is this: When you are PvPing you should be forced to choose an option.

Attack for?
Gold
PvP
XP

You can pick ONLY one option and the other items CAN'T be lost. So gold thieves steal ONLY gold not XP or PvP points. PvP Farmers steal ONLY PvP points and not gold or XP. And when revenge is needed, XP is taken and nothing else.

Gold thieves don't WANT to take your gold AND XP. They want the gold (and would actually like you to keep your XP). The FS Police Departments (I call "Sherriff" first) want your XP. It is how we keep bio's semi-civil and some order in a game of internet tough guys.

This poll is a extrememly biased. It's like asking which way you'd prefer to die and not giving an "I'd like to live option".

Maxwell

Sarcastic or not, I'll respond. :P

This way, you can pay for awhile of protection and be able to level well enough. We can keep the Xp lock too *shrugs*

I personally Really like MD's idea as I am a lover not a fighter...oops I mean leveler
I was not trying to be sarcastic but sadly inflection and facial feature are only available to a limited amount when typing :)

#62 fs_regnier7

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 23:45

It's a really simple one that's been thrown around and I've shown support to. But I fear Hoof wants to go through with this "protection" in one form or another, so I merely leave my suggestions out on the table

But, +1 to that one. :)

#63 DaleJunior

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 23:47

get rid of tokens connected to pvp = you dont get hits for ratings from random peeps and only get well deserved gold hits. If in guild war use the old xp-lock thingee and deflect. End of story.

And best protection against gold hits would be to change the "view pvp targets list" but nobody talks about that. Finding gold targets took skill in the old days, now they just show up lmao and levelers are not even mentioning this. Ahh the ignorance.


Cel, I and many other players mentioned this aspect when the Fs helper people first implemented it and we were told that it wasn't really that much of an advantage, that gold hunters were still going to find their gold, all this did was save a couple of clicks, and were basically told to "stop whining about it". lol

EDIT: I like the idea that MaxDamage put forth. If anyone else likes it I would encourage you to let Hoof know since THIS is the thread to let your opinions be heard. Speak now or forever hold your peace so to speak. :)

#64 EJames2100

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:04

I like MaxDamage's idea.

Now as for been a Xp thief and seeing a ton of gold, changing and then swapping to gold thief.

You have to go to Preferences, tick the Option you want to change too, click Submit and then you have to wait 24 Hours before the change is in effect.
At least that's my view of how it could work.

Not too keen on having to pay to switch between options but perhaps since there is a fair few PvPer's, they will pay for it.

Oooo and make those who hit for XP loss able to loss 10 levels on the board, if your intentionally wanting to harm them via xp, let the be harmed lots more - random thought lol

#65 Ramses1977

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:07

I like MaxDamage's idea.

Now as for been a Xp thief and seeing a ton of gold, changing and then swapping to gold thief.

You have to go to Preferences, tick the Option you want to change too, click Submit and then you have to wait 24 Hours before the change is in effect.
At least that's my view of how it could work.

Not too keen on having to pay to switch between options but perhaps since there is a fair few PvPer's, they will pay for it.

Oooo and make those who hit for XP loss able to loss 10 levels on the board, if your intentionally wanting to harm them via xp, let the be harmed lots more - random thought lol

I am a person who would love to see a person crushed for 100 stammin me but i think 5 lvls is enough for 1 100 stam hit

#66 mickabooth

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:15

PvP Protection

Three new upgrade options have been added to the 'Use Points' page. These are:

+24 Hours PvP Protection
+7 Days PvP Protection
+28 Days PvP Protection

as a player who dose not do PvP or GvG i love this addition but i think the cost to activate them is way to high and only the richest players can use them

#67 RebornJedi

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:17

Is there an option that says you hate any type of PvP protection? Seems like neither of these options are acceptable to me.

I think that the answer is this: When you are PvPing you should be forced to choose an option.

Attack for?
Gold
PvP
XP

You can pick ONLY one option and the other items CAN'T be lost. So gold thieves steal ONLY gold not XP or PvP points. PvP Farmers steal ONLY PvP points and not gold or XP. And when revenge is needed, XP is taken and nothing else.

Gold thieves don't WANT to take your gold AND XP. They want the gold (and would actually like you to keep your XP). The FS Police Departments (I call "Sherriff" first) want your XP. It is how we keep bio's semi-civil and some order in a game of internet tough guys.

This poll is a extrememly biased. It's like asking which way you'd prefer to die and not giving an "I'd like to live" option.

Maxwell

im someone thats been for this type of idea since DA put it in his pvp thread but there is too much room for abuse..friends can attack each other for only PvP rating, dealing out no xp damage to one another. safely gaining slots on the ladder..it should be PvP-XP and Gold

 


#68 fs_valestra

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:20

The cost is way too high. For 200 points, I expect permanent protection, not just a month. How about a 2 hour full protection for a point or two? Use it to hunt, no worries about some random mugger hitting you because you got wrapped up in a quest, and leaving you open the rest of the time. Obviously, if you attack anyone, you lose it, and no protection against bounties

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:22

Feels like another way to make FSP off of hunters...

Not that I care, because I'll never use the option...but that's what it seems like.

#70 fs_reylalo

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:29

There is just one thing to say about this....remove it. There should NEVER be a way to opt out of pvp. This game has pvp so suck it up. I can't even believe that the pvp protection crap was implemented.

#71 fs_valestra

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:34

The hunters/levellers have always been second class citizens here. They've never cared about how we enjoy the game, as long as the PvPers were happy. I've been pushing an opt out for over two years now. A permanent one, starting at something like 25 points, and doubling every time someone flipped back and forth. Nice to see they've finally done it, too bad they want to rip us all off in the process. And I'm guessing it will be recinded sometime in the next few days, which is why I haven't gone for it yet.

#72 fs_ogrvity

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:38

Do you approve of the new PvP Protection addition to the game? Do you feel it should stay as it is or only protect against XP Loss?


This "Poll" is all fine and dandy, but unless you make an in game announcement to the ENTIRE Fallen Sword community it will go the way of every other forum topic on this subject. It will be the same people voting that have already voiced their opinions, so it's just redundant at this point. So if you really want to judge how the players feel about the update make an announcement in game with a link to this thread and leave it there for a week. That would give you a much better idea of what everyone thinks, not just those that patrol the forums.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:40

I am absolutely horrified that any pvp opt out of any kind was introduced into the game.

Shame on you, Cows.

#74 RebornJedi

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:44

Do you approve of the new PvP Protection addition to the game? Do you feel it should stay as it is or only protect against XP Loss?


This "Poll" is all fine and dandy, but unless you make an in game announcement to the ENTIRE Fallen Sword community it will go the way of every other forum topic on this subject. It will be the same people voting that have already voiced their opinions, so it's just redundant at this point. So if you really want to judge how the players feel about the update make an announcement in game with a link to this thread and leave it there for a week. That would give you a much better idea of what everyone thinks, not just those that patrol the forums.

+*high five*

 


#75 Bleltch

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:49

The more i think about it the more i think there should be no opt out at all. All pvp attacks should take points, exp and gold. Also any pick and choose plans would only encourage even more cheating and exploitation.

Hoof, get rid of the pvp opt out, get rid of the pvp rewards, and get rid of the gloat and honor buffs.
please

#76 RebornJedi

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:52

should of just lowered the cost of xp lock

or just add temp xp locks

 


#77 fs_gravely

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 00:56

The hunters/levellers have always been second class citizens here. They've never cared about how we enjoy the game, as long as the PvPers were happy. I've been pushing an opt out for over two years now. A permanent one, starting at something like 25 points, and doubling every time someone flipped back and forth. Nice to see they've finally done it, too bad they want to rip us all off in the process. And I'm guessing it will be recinded sometime in the next few days, which is why I haven't gone for it yet.


Yea, clearly they threaten to ban levelers for playing the game how they want to.

Oh, wait...that's what they do to PvP players who pick the wrong influential target.

yep, definitely 2nd class citizens. :roll:

#78 stormfury3

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 01:00

since the update opened up attacks to larger ranges for pvp ladder there will be more gold sunk from those attack plus i don't think anyone would buy the protection if it didn't include gold protection too especially at the current prices of the protection.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 01:01

10FSP for 24 hours protection? Only the richest of FS players will be able to afford that and make it financially worthwhile. Yes levelers like gold contrary to what PvPers apparently believe.
Not all levelers level for xp only but to farm gold too, if you opt out odds are you don't care about rating. What else is their to protect if gold is still being stolen? Your crystalline items durability?

This PvP protection price should be lowered. I love getting mugged when I level and the best part about this update is people 60+ levels above me can now take my hard earned gold while I am in damage only gear. Not like I need the gold to buy pots to level or anything. I mean that sounds fair doesn't it.
How about a combat setup style that saves similarly to how PvP arena works? When you go hunting and a player attacks, the defense setup which you have saved(obviously gear must still be in your BP) stats are used instead. This way people actually have a chance of defending against 100 stamina gold farmers. No need for opting out.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 01:03

I voted to allow gold loss, for reasons already stated 394485192341 times.


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