Abuse The PvP Protection to Get FSP via Marketplace: A Guide
#1
Posted 11 January 2011 - 22:06
Okay, that was sad. Anyway... ah, FSP. The almighty FSP. We all love it. We all crave for it. I believe we all know how precious it is. We use it to buy things. We use it to upgrade our character. We use it to beg on FSBox. Oh, what could we ever do without FSP? But no worry, with this guide, you will understand how Marketplace [MP] works and how to manipulate it for your benefit.
Step 1: 28 Days PvP Protection [200 FSPs]
Of course, we need to invest a sufficient funds to control the MP. We need to buy the PvP protection. It cost 200FSP. Sounds a lot isn't it? Don't worry, because it is. But there are reasons why you need to buy the most expensive single upgrade, because you have to gain maximum profit per FSP sale.
Currently, the peak price for 1 FSP are 180K gold and the lowest could reach 130K gold, as someone claimed. Though I don't know at what hours FSP sells high, I usually see FSP reaches 180K gold usually for 30-40 minutes, before it goes down again. So you have to stay online and buy every and I mean every single offer which worth more than 179.999 gold. The lowest point of FSP happens at LE events. It sells as low as 130K, though I never saw FSP get that low since 2009. I sold one at 128K and never sell that low again ever since. Anyway...
Obviously, it is not possible to do within 7 days, especially with the amount of FSP you have to sell, but we'll get to that part later. The point is, I don't care if you have to skip your mother's funeral, you have to stay online to buy all of them. You have life, you say? Forget it, I say. This guide is not compatible with having life.
Step 2: Calculating FSPs
Okay,we used 200FSP to get PvP Protection, now what? Now, we use more FSP to gain gold for profit. Yes, we buy every single offer at 180K minimal since now we are PvP free. I know what are you thinking. How much do we need to sell right?
Now, for each FSP we assume as much as 50K profit. It is possible to get that much profit in one FSP transaction, as long as you believe it. My personal opinion is irrelevant for this matter, so it doesn't matter if I don't believe it a single bit, because you are the one who is going to do everything. I'm simply writing the theories.
Okay, focus. 50K/FSP profit. Since we assume we would sell back at 130K/FSP, 200FSPs for PvP Protection equals 130.000 gold x 200 = 26.000.000 gold. But, how much do we need to sell FSP at 180K FPSs in order to make profit when we sell everything back for 130.000 gold/FSP? Nothing a simple math can't handle. So we use this calculation:
(200 + α) = (180.000 x α) / 130.000
Where,
α = amount of FSP which would be converted into gold
(200 + α) = the total amount of FSP we need, in which 200 is the FSP lost for PvP protection.
(180.000 x α) / 130.000 = the transaction mechanism, which would be the same as the total FSP before the PvP Protection or (200 + α)
Now, if you have any knowledge about algebra at all, you would get 520. If you can't do it, shame on you. My bachelor's degree is sociology, and even I could figure it out. Now we now that, to cover up the 200FSP we used before we could gain profit, we need to sell 520 FSPs at 180.000 gold and convert them into FSP again at 130.000 gold/FSP. In total we only need 720 FSPs. Only 720 FSPs. Not 719, not 721, but exactly, as cheap as 720 FSPs!
Step 3: Selling FSP
It's business time! Now we now that we need to sell 520 FSPs at 180.000 gold each, it's time to sell that purple dots. Remember, it is important to remember that you need to sell at at least 180.000 gold per FSP, since the cheaper you sell your FSP the more FSP you need to actually gain profit.
That's why you need the 28 days PvP Protection, since impossible to do this in one day. Now, don't try to argue me here, since by now you should already realized that I am always right. Don't ask me how to sell all 520 FSPs at 180.000 gold, that is your problem not mine. Afterall, it's not me who made the statement. Moving on.
Step 4: Praying
Now, we need a special condition which usually drops the FSP cost at MP significantly. This called the LE Events. Usually at LE Events, people sell their FSP to do Scavenging, hoping to get a valuable LE Gear. Now, we need as many people as possible selling their FSP, hopefully enough to drop MP price to 130K. Again, I never, in all of my FS life, I mean EVER see MP drops to 130K.
That's why this step is THE MOST IMPORTANT STEP OF ALL: PRAYING.
But don't worry if you're a born messiah, with God on your side, you'll pass this step easily. Which will bring us to the next step.
Step 5: Converting FSPs
Now it's time to get your long awaited profit by selling FSP at 130K gold each! If you follow the guide, you should have 180.000 x 520 = 93.600.000 gold in your hand by now. Converting it into FSP at 130.000 gold each, would give you 720 FSPs, just as you originally had!
But there's a trick to do this. Putting 200 FSPs all together at the MP is a bad idea, since nobody would buy them. You should put your offer at smaller amount, like 20 FSP in each offer. You should also need to get rid of every offer above 130.000 gold somehow, so people would buy your gold. You have only 48 hours to sell all 93.600.000 gold.. Again, don't tell me how to, it's your problem not mine. Just get it done.
Conclusion
If you sold all of your gold, you are bullshi... *cough*, sorry, I mean congratulations! You cover your PvP protection cost! You did an impos... uhm, yeah that's okay, you did an impossible job! Well done! Let us look back what you have done:
1. Get 720 FSPs
2. Use 200 FSPs for PvP Protection
3. Sell 520 FSPs for 180.000 gold
4. Wait for LE Events
5. Wait for LE Events
6. Wait for LE Events
7. Asked for LE Events in forum
8. Wait for LE Events
9. Wait for LE Events
10. Accidentally smashed your monitor by banging your head in frustration and bought a new monitor
11. Wait for LE Events
12. LE Events!
13. Wait until MP drops to 130K/FSP
14. The same... *yawn*
15. Uhm... for the sake of theories, the people of fallensword somehow become mental and started to post 130K/FSP offers at MP for God-knows-what reason, and you somehow managed to sold all of 93.600.000 gold and get 720 FSPs which bring you back to square one.
16. The end
But wait, there's more! The more you sell FSP at 180.000 gold, the bigger your profit is. Let's see. If you invest 721 FSPs, you would gain a whooping 50.000 gold profit! I'm not finished yet. If you invest 722 FSPs, you would get an even bigger profit, as big as 100.000 gold! Here's the ultimate scheme. If you invest 723 FSPs, you would get -wait for it, wait for it- 1 FSP PROFIT!!! Could you believe it? 1 FPS Profit for 723 FSPs investment?! This plan is foolproof!
OMG! Has teh PvP protection iz like so totally ROXXORZ!!! plan ever?!
Okay, enough the excitement. Now you know the secret, you should totally save 723 FSP and gain 1 FSP profit! Nothing between your way and the ultimate success, well perhaps maybe other player who will always overbid you in MP. So you need to make them not going to intervene this foolproof plan, somehow. Preferably dead.
Well, what are you waiting for? Go get 'em tiger!
#2
Posted 11 January 2011 - 22:18
#3
fs_mystraven
Posted 11 January 2011 - 22:56
#4
Posted 11 January 2011 - 22:58
#5
Posted 11 January 2011 - 23:16
You need to make 200 FSP profit to cover your costs - but the rest can be done with just ONE FSP if you repeatedly buy buy gold high and sell gold low.
No need for the 500 FSP on hand at all - just volume of transaction will get you your profit. Write a simple script for it and no need for 24 hour wakefulness either - just saying.
600 transactions with 1 FSP and a 50k price differential and you've recipued your costs. 600 transactions with 20 FSP and the same differential and you've made 20 times as much....
It can be done - and assuming you have the 500 FSP on hand you only need a 10k differential to start being profitable even on normal days. The 50k scavenging events just multiply things up for you.
#6
fs_pkzer0
Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:59
#7
Posted 12 January 2011 - 02:14
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#8
Posted 12 January 2011 - 03:12
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! <3 making noise!Hello, my name is Denyza and this is the very first guide on how to gain Fallensword Point [FSP] with the new feature the PvP Protection. Let me hear some noise, y'all!*self-applause*
You must be on your first character resetBut there are reasons why you need to buy the most expensive single upgrade
The cows reset the MP randomly sometimes. Aside from that, one good cave LE I sold fsp as low as 108k as recently as FatMans in September.There is also other things that drop the price of the MP, such as the occasional arena update, or your random person deciding they want to go for the hoarder medal or get their guild on the richest player list.The lowest point of FSP happens at LE events. It sells as low as 130K, though I never saw FSP get that low since 2009. I sold one at 128K and never sell that low again ever since. Anyway...
Most the best profit making ventures in this game are not.This guide is not compatible with having life.
ok skipping the rest because you math is pretty and all if you stick to that ceiling and that floor, but you could do it more reasonably and more logically and adjust your rates for mp control (such as setting the price at 150k and buying anyone out who list above that) and make a steady profit off that investment in the meantime while waiting on the MP drops(well, the profit would likely be cut since you would likely end up more gold heavy, but by the time the drop came along, you would be sitting on a lot of $
Throw enough numbers out there to confuse people though, they may believe anything you want them to :wink:
#9
Posted 12 January 2011 - 03:16
Instead, buy one or two days worth of protection ....
Max your depos, and then sell on scavenging weekends
#10
Posted 12 January 2011 - 03:20
#11
fs_mystraven
Posted 12 January 2011 - 03:33
I really don't see the point of doing it this way. I mean, if you're gonna invest 700 fsp, why waste 200 fsp of it?
Ummm... I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that maybe, just maybe, the original post was meant as a satire, as irony? That it is meant to poke fun at someone else's objections about the alleged exploitability of the PvP Protection, and meant to actually point out not its viability, but rather quite the opposite...
#12
Posted 12 January 2011 - 03:35
I really don't see the point of doing it this way. I mean, if you're gonna invest 700 fsp, why waste 200 fsp of it?
Ummm... I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that maybe, just maybe, the original post was meant as a satire, as irony? That it is meant to poke fun at someone else's objections about the alleged exploitability of the PvP Protection, and meant to actually point out not its viability, but rather quite the opposite...(Of course, maybe I totally misread it... but I doubt it. Main clue? The references to the "whopping" profits that can be made LOL)
But realize, if you can spend 200 fsp on protection, you probably have a few k fsp in reserve, meaning massive profits ..
#13
fs_mystraven
Posted 12 January 2011 - 03:43
I really don't see the point of doing it this way. I mean, if you're gonna invest 700 fsp, why waste 200 fsp of it?
Ummm... I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that maybe, just maybe, the original post was meant as a satire, as irony? That it is meant to poke fun at someone else's objections about the alleged exploitability of the PvP Protection, and meant to actually point out not its viability, but rather quite the opposite...(Of course, maybe I totally misread it... but I doubt it. Main clue? The references to the "whopping" profits that can be made LOL)
But realize, if you can spend 200 fsp on protection, you probably have a few k fsp in reserve, meaning massive profits ..
Heheh. I don't dispute that - while D's original post is very amusing in its extremity, the way I see it (and as you suggest), it IS indeed possible to use PvP-Prot to play the currency market. However, like RJEM in another thread, I too don't believe that it's a game-warping practice. I did previously agree with someone else that it shouldn't include gold protection, but for a completely different reason: I wanted to see it made cheaper. Oddly enough, I no longer care, as I don't see myself using it even if it were made more affordable.
#14
Posted 12 January 2011 - 03:47
Ummm... I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that maybe, just maybe, the original post was meant as a satire, as irony? That it is meant to poke fun at someone else's objections about the alleged exploitability of the PvP Protection, and meant to actually point out not its viability, but rather quite the opposite...(Of course, maybe I totally misread it... but I doubt it. Main clue? The references to the "whopping" profits that can be made LOL)
But realize, if you can spend 200 fsp on protection, you probably have a few k fsp in reserve, meaning massive profits ..
Heheh. I don't dispute that - while D's original post is very amusing in its extremity, the way I see it (and as you suggest), it IS indeed possible to use PvP-Prot to play the currency market. However, like RJEM in another thread, I too don't believe that it's a game-warping practice. I did previously agree with someone else that it shouldn't include gold protection, but for a completely different reason: I wanted to see it made cheaper. Oddly enough, I no longer care, as I don't see myself using it even if it were made more affordable.
I tried it, proof of concept, I did manage to turn a small profit in the end, after investing 100 fsp, I turned 1 fsp profit, not counting the 10 that I used on protection ..
#15
Posted 12 January 2011 - 04:04
#16
fs_mystraven
Posted 12 January 2011 - 04:09
Anyhow, speaking of laziness... bed-time!
#17
fs_chibibucky
Posted 12 January 2011 - 04:15
#18
Posted 12 January 2011 - 04:46
Very funny read - although the logic is flawed and you don't need that many FSP to play the marketplace!
You two got it all wrong. The basic premise of this thread is the to answer the cries over MP manipulation using PvP protection, which is in fact non-existant. What you suggested is the usual methods of selling gold at LE Events by piling gold at Bank. This methods has been practiced throughout the FS history and is not the main issue I'm trying to discuss. With this methods, you don't even need to purchase PvP protection, just withdraw a safe number of gold and sell it one at a time to prevent gold theft. Nothing need to be discussed with this.I really don't see the point of doing it this way. I mean, if you're gonna invest 700 fsp, why waste 200 fsp of it?
Instead, buy one or two days worth of protection ....
Max your depos, and then sell on scavenging weekends
Incorrect.ok skipping the rest because you math is pretty and all if you stick to that ceiling and that floor, but you could do it more reasonably and more logically and adjust your rates for mp control (such as setting the price at 150k and buying anyone out who list above that) and make a steady profit off that investment in the meantime while waiting on the MP drops(well, the profit would likely be cut since you would likely end up more gold heavy, but by the time the drop came along, you would be sitting on a lot of $
Throw enough numbers out there to confuse people though, they may believe anything you want them to :wink:
1. 50K is already a nearly impossible profit per one MP transaction, except for very small special case such as Fat Man or MP reset. Suggesting that you could get more than 50K per one transaction is ridiculous as well as desperate. Building a strategy based on an extremely very rare event is not manipulating. It's gambling.
2. MP control would need an even bigger amount of FSP. Buying 150K gold/FSP would give you 20K gold profit, which not even half of 50K profit. If 50K profit covers 200 FSP protection cost after 520 transaction, by simple logic 20K profit would cover it after 1000 transaction. Maybe a good plan for you, but not for me.
3. If there's any, I repeat any fault at my algebra, please... by all means point it out. Everybody could easily take wild accusation or statements without proof. For instance, I hereby declare that I once jumped for 20th floor and landed on my feet without a scratch, just because I claimed so.
Again. The main idea of this to try to answer the possibility of MP manipulation using the PvP protection. If there are players who are not intended to make money but buy PvP pretoction nevertheless, well good for them. That's FSP sink and more income to Cows. If they gain profit from MP the FSP loss would far outweigh the benefit. If you hate PvP protection because it limits your PvP target, just say so, don't hide behind the MP manipulation bull-dump. It's lame.but what about players that are buying the protection anyway? they are not investing 200 FSP. they are making money on something they already wanted. i dont see players buying protection TO manipulate the system. i do see players buying protection AND manipulating the system. its different from what you described.
#19
Posted 12 January 2011 - 05:10
I never said you would make 50k per transaction. What I am saying is more frequent smaller profit control would be more effective then trying to do it on a wider base. You math is spot on for doing it the way you are saying. You already said you cant have a life for it to work, whats the difference between tripling transactions or not? It would be much more effective not trying to cover such a big gap as trying to make it so everyone you sell is 130k and everyone you buy is 180k, thats just unrealistic. If you set unrealistic goals, you are going to fail. But by all means, keep promoting it as a improbability for profit, it will mean less competition for those whom are making it work :mrgreen:1. 50K is already a nearly impossible profit per one MP transaction, except for very small special case such as Fat Man or MP reset. Suggesting that you could get more than 50K per one transaction is ridiculous as well as desperate. Building a strategy based on an extremely very rare event is not manipulating. It's gambling.
2. MP control would need an even bigger amount of FSP. Buying 150K gold/FSP would give you 20K gold profit, which not even half of 50K profit. If 50K profit covers 200 FSP protection cost after 520 transaction, by simple logic 20K profit would cover it after 1000 transaction. Maybe a good plan for you, but not for me.
3. If there's any, I repeat any fault at my algebra, please... by all means point it out. Everybody could easily take wild accusation or statements without proof. For instance, I hereby declare that I once jumped for 20th floor and landed on my feet without a scratch, just because I claimed so.
#20
fs_mystraven
Posted 12 January 2011 - 05:11
If you hate PvP protection because it limits your PvP target, just say so, don't hide behind the MP manipulation bull-dump. It's lame.
Well said! +1
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