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Buy Buffs Easily

  1. Voted I Like the Idea (108 votes [63.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.91%

  2. Voted I don't like the idea (16 votes [9.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.47%

  3. Voted I don't know (2 votes [1.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.18%

  4. Voted Needs Tweaking (43 votes [25.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.44%

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#61 Perryp

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 20:08

On first glance I liked the idea, but after thinking about it for a while I don't think I do. It turns buffs into a commodity, and the only benefit it would provide is to eliminate buff theives (which is the buffers fault for not asking upfront payment from strangers, so a non issue), to drive down the cost of buffs, and provide instant availability.

Lawdog made mention that it would eliminate the personal interaction between buffer and buffy, this is also a BIG part of the game, imo. I have not buffed myself with leveling buffs for 300 or more levels. And I always try to make conversation with the buffer. Making friends with quite a few of them.

Tangtop mentioned sustain. This is a big thing for quite a few players. Anyone with over 10k or 15k stam to burn will be seriously miffed if they are buffed by an unextended player with low sustain and no mage tower to back it. Can the system be made so that it takes these factors into consideration?

Someone mentioned packs too. This is also a big deal for me. I almost always buy a competitively priced pack from either a buffer I know, or someone advertising on the shoutbox or fsbox. Then I flush out the rest of my needs with the best deal I can get on the high level ones- and those are usually a pack as well.


It does not just eliminate buff thieves, it also makes sure that you get buffs quickly and efficiently. I am one of those people that need the buffs in a hurry and I would make sure to list the buffs I require with a good amount of gold to be given so that I could get them before anyone, that means it would not be cheap.

And about the making friends issue, there are many other ways to make friends, not just through buffs, that is why we have guild in the first place. And then befriending other guilds. What about the bounty board, sometimes people make friends through there, rarely but they do. Bargaining in the Auction House, that could make you friends. What about just looking for someone, have you tried that.

And about Packs, I agree packs are nice, but we don't always have time to wait for someone with a good pack to come online to buff me. I have a pretty big list in my Enemies that are great buffers, and have great packs. But that does not mean that they are online when I need it, or are buffing, they might be using there stamina to hunt and so they won't buff. This is where the need for quickly and efficient buffs are needed.

#62 fs_klive

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 20:13

I think it should be something like this .

1.Put up BUY BUFFS tab

2. Allow Player to choose .."Allow Display in Buy buffs/Not" in preferances

3. There Should be standardisation of Terms to be used for specific buffs currency and other short forms

idea Is good with Such tweaking :)

#63 dogness

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 21:08

i think overall the idea is good but it will need some major work and alot of voting must happen on the specifics for minimum prices and what not...

#64 Perryp

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 22:53

i think overall the idea is good but it will need some major work and alot of voting must happen on the specifics for minimum prices and what not...


I agree that ot needs major work and we do need to get votes in as to how much miminum should be and how people think it should work, and maybe some input from HCS would be nice.

#65 boeffie

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 09:14

It's fine if it's just a place where a player puts up what buffs they are looking for, right this instance. As you say, it would just mean a buffer could go to check that page and see if anyone wants buffs for a price they're willing to sell for.

Anything more than that, automatic payments or any other things that have been proposed should then not be necessary.
If that is the case, it would be a plus, though I'm not sure how good that will work. You might need 6 buffs, get 4 directly, another one 10 mins later, and maybe still hunt for the last one, but that's hypothetical, so the times it does work would be okay. Timing would be the main problem, I'd expect, which it is now as well.

Buffthieves are not a problem overall, anyway, I find.

#66 Perryp

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 21:13

It's fine if it's just a place where a player puts up what buffs they are looking for, right this instance. As you say, it would just mean a buffer could go to check that page and see if anyone wants buffs for a price they're willing to sell for.

Anything more than that, automatic payments or any other things that have been proposed should then not be necessary.
If that is the case, it would be a plus, though I'm not sure how good that will work. You might need 6 buffs, get 4 directly, another one 10 mins later, and maybe still hunt for the last one, but that's hypothetical, so the times it does work would be okay. Timing would be the main problem, I'd expect, which it is now as well.

Buffthieves are not a problem overall, anyway, I find.


Yes, but I have a feeling its going to be a lot faster than 10 minutes, but as the Market Place has shown, sometimes it goes within a few seconds and sometimes it takes longer. Its just the risk you take for automation. There is always the method of looking for someone, if its not as fast as one wants it to be.

#67 fs_greatfail

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 21:29

OMG Genius IDEA!!! Great Idea!

#68 Prezze

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 21:32

Been suggested alot in the 4 years I play.

Still my opinion hasn't changed.

I'd say no to it.

I'll take an example to explain why.

1) I have 23,542 max stamina.
with my current stamina gain of 95 it means about each 10 days I have to hunt in order not too loose any stamina.

2) Most people will go on holiday, if I go on holiday it's for 14 - 21 days. That would mean, that I'd loose max stamina.

3) If this gets added in, I can list my high level buffs on that marketplace under the current marketvalue => meaning I'll sell alot of buffs, thus gaining an income when I shouldn't be able to make one if i'm not online.

4) if the income goes to the bank => big jackpot
if it goes directly on your char you still have pvp-protection and it's easy to count out at what prices you make a profit or not then.

Conclusion
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Too easy abusable since the buffseller doesn't have to be online if you can list buffs for sale

#69 uscx

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 21:49

Great concept and I don't even use FSHelper. The only problem I forsee is that players with nothing to do with their stam (aka people waiting on content; also those people having the highest number of buffs) would drain the entire list of people needing buffs in seconds, especially with auto refresh. Also, what about those that don't have Level 175 buffs, who would want something lesser?

#70 centurion

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 21:50

I could see an AH type of buff sellilng. Place where people can post buff up for sale. when you post the buff for sale, you spend the stam during the post. if it does not sell, you lose the stam. every one gets 2 slot like AH slot and is expandable. (could even be part of AH if they desire)

Frankly overall, current system of shoutbox sale is not too bad. I've never had issue with finding buffs in all my lvling. I think the propsed system is not very well thought out from cows point of view. they want FC and donation. not gold sink per se. remember that the buff finding is feature of the helper, not official cow code.

#71 watagashi

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 21:56

I voted no for these reasons

i feel that any automation for a offline player is wrong if you are not online you should not be doing anything with your char,,this idea will lead to lots of abuse by "retired" players who basicaly become a buff pop machine. I wanted a big mac the other night at 2am but guess what? Macdonalds was closed :(

Secondly where does the gold go? This would either cause all buffers to sell for FSP to avoid mugs or encourage protection which I think is already screwed up bad enough.

Its been mentioned the interaction between buffer and buffee is a major social aspect of the game, if anyone is selling buffs through an auto it would be the cows like the potion bazzar

Finally just in the 10min I have spent here I have thought of countless reasons this would not work out and 90% are because of the potential of abuse. For example people could drain a players stam buying mutiple buffs. A guild gvging another could buy buffs from a player in the opposing guild. And lets not forget that people will cheat any way they can, imagine multis being used as buff machines!

#72 boeffie

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 23:07

Yep, I agree with the above posts, if any automation is involved I'm completely against it, and I don't like the 'must be able to consume FS instantly' ideas.

Even without any automation, I.E. with people posting looking for buffers, buffers having to go buffclick, and gold not going to the bank, there is scope for abuse, and indeed for basically inactive people to just clean out the 'buff' market, while coming in to chat to guildmates, but I can see there being some advantage for some players.

Auto-activate it, and there'll be no end to looking for scams.

#73 Perryp

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 02:12

Been suggested alot in the 4 years I play.

Still my opinion hasn't changed.

I'd say no to it.

I'll take an example to explain why.

1) I have 23,542 max stamina.
with my current stamina gain of 95 it means about each 10 days I have to hunt in order not too loose any stamina.

2) Most people will go on holiday, if I go on holiday it's for 14 - 21 days. That would mean, that I'd loose max stamina.

3) If this gets added in, I can list my high level buffs on that marketplace under the current marketvalue => meaning I'll sell alot of buffs, thus gaining an income when I shouldn't be able to make one if i'm not online.

4) if the income goes to the bank => big jackpot
if it goes directly on your char you still have pvp-protection and it's easy to count out at what prices you make a profit or not then.

Conclusion
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Too easy abusable since the buffseller doesn't have to be online if you can list buffs for sale


I don't think some people understand what I mean. The people who want buffs make the listing, while the buffers are the ones who accept it. Meaning, buffers have to be on to be able to make money.

#74 Perryp

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 02:17

I voted no for these reasons

i feel that any automation for a offline player is wrong if you are not online you should not be doing anything with your char,,this idea will lead to lots of abuse by "retired" players who basicaly become a buff pop machine. I wanted a big mac the other night at 2am but guess what? Macdonalds was closed :(

Secondly where does the gold go? This would either cause all buffers to sell for FSP to avoid mugs or encourage protection which I think is already screwed up bad enough.

Its been mentioned the interaction between buffer and buffee is a major social aspect of the game, if anyone is selling buffs through an auto it would be the cows like the potion bazzar

Finally just in the 10min I have spent here I have thought of countless reasons this would not work out and 90% are because of the potential of abuse. For example people could drain a players stam buying mutiple buffs. A guild gvging another could buy buffs from a player in the opposing guild. And lets not forget that people will cheat any way they can, imagine multis being used as buff machines!


Again with the same message. Both parties have to be present for this to happen. Person requests buffs, buffer accepts request. Seriously this is not hard concept to understand. Stop misinterpreting things.

#75 PXT

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 02:58

Yes! like the idea. Good 1

#76 fs_fireship8

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 03:24

I think this would be a great idea to add onto FS. Its just i agree with wat some ppl said about making friends since i did make a few friends that were first buffers for me. But you can always make friends a dif way also about the concept of both players on it sounds great since it would prevent buffers not being on and making money.
I can see some buffers being upset since they charge crazy amount for their buffs for the people desperately looking for buffs. I think the price of buffs will need to find a steady rate for this to be successful in anyway.
To be honest if this was implemented it would making a dif for titan hunting or leveling in general, but for me usually my fav buffers are on and if they are not i usually check the front page and find some good buffers.
Either way great idea :D hope HCS will think about it and consider putting it in. 8)

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 03:37

July 2007: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30357
August 2007: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33499
October 2007: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36295

These were in the last 10 pages of still existing topics. Devs have been aware of this for a long time. I am sure there were more in 2008.

#78 Perryp

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 03:59

July 2007: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30357
August 2007: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33499
October 2007: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36295

These were in the last 10 pages of still existing topics. Devs have been aware of this for a long time. I am sure there were more in 2008.


These Topics are a bit different than what I proposed.

#79 fs_thedamager

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 10:34

it will make lvl150 buffs worth 50k each in less than a week if we get that buff market added..

remember the fsp marketplace??
fsp's worthes 20-25k each, then the marketplace came & a few days later they were 50k........
took like a week for them to reach 80-100k.............

& the same will happen to buffs if people gets the chance of over bidding each others ;)

i dont see why we would need it now that there are lots of active buffers on both fsbox & shoutbox all day long anyway.

at last: THINK ABOUT THE LOW LVLS!! when i started the game, it was 10k per fsp & i was alway broke..... what should low lvl players do if lvl100 buffs get to 20k each by that stupid buff market?? -.-'

#80 Filletminion

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:01

yeah can always do cheap buffs ... but i can also make sure i don't have sustain and extend on as well ,you gets what you pays for ......


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