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#541 fs_gravely

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 01:41

Sunshine, you ever think for a moment that you are the one trying to validate how awesome you are, yet you fail at every attempt. Primarily because the way you approach matters leaves no room for respect. I know many people here won't even validate their reasons because there is no need to. They are comfortable with who they are, they don't need to prove anything to anyone.

And for the record, this is coming from a high level player, who can take 90+% of the relics in the game at will. I don't need relics to be successful. Our guild holds a small relic, it's something we can do, which encourages teamwork (like many things our guild does and excels at, which we don't need 20% relic bonuses for).

The more you grasp at straws and sling insults, the more amusing it is for us to read.

By all means do carry on. This has been highly entertaining and I am sure you will continue to amuse people until this thread is locked.


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Posted 26 January 2011 - 01:56

real? last i checked, it is all true, mybe you need to go back to school no? seem your teacher did a poor job of teaching. becus in my school i went to, one of the best acadimic school districs in the u.s. that say its true, and guess what, the polls dont lie. so deflat your ego and learn to be open minded


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Your grammar and spelling suggest that your "acadimic" school wasn't as good as you think it was. And the "Earth is flat" thing is a common misconception, but still a misconception.

There was no poll that had anything about the relic issue.

Whether or not I should "deflat" my ego is irrelevant, and being open minded has nothing to do with this. Your "facts" are flat out wrong, this has nothing to do with judgement.

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real? last i checked, it is all true, mybe you need to go back to school no? seem your teacher did a poor job of teaching. becus in my school i went to, one of the best acadimic school districs in the u.s. that say its true, and guess what, the polls dont lie. so deflat your ego and learn to be open minded


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Your grammar and spelling suggest that your "acadimic" school wasn't as good as you think it was. And the "Earth is flat" thing is a common misconception, but still a misconception.

There was no poll that had anything about the relic issue.

Whether or not I should "deflat" my ego is irrelevant, and being open minded has nothing to do with this. Your "facts" are flat out wrong, this has nothing to do with judgement.


realy, every culter on the world has since right to the spanish conquest of south america, beleaved the world was flat. natives of south america where the last to accept the earth is round. its easy to clam something is a "common misconception" to make your point a view seem like the truth. you cant argue with historical facts. just as it is a "common misconception" that vikings where the first to rach the new world or the americas, even with remains of viking settelments in the far noth that predate the discover of the "new world " and the stone with viking symbols carved in thim found as far south as oklahoma. you still wat to argue that? iv done proved you wonge on all accounts. just like globel warming. you can say its man made and ignore historical facts, or biblical tails, witch agin, ignore historical facts. argue it all you want, dosnt make it true. next time, show proof, or shuld i show you links to websight and boos writen by professors of archaeology on the the subject? of cores your the kind that will tell thim there wrong, or even argue that the moon landing never happend even to the ppl that where there.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 04:11

"There was no poll that had anything about the relic issue."

yah we culd do a poll, but if you dont like the out come youed clam we rigged it by makeing hundreds of accounts and voteing in our favor.

you miss the point, this isnt us demanding it be done, this is us getting like minded players to geater and press HCS into considering it.

you all act like where out to make fs more to just our likeing, thats all any of you say. yet you all dont offer up oher options, just critizies others for puting the views out there nd offering an option for makeing fs greater. keeping it the way it is makes for a borring game. it gets old. like the quests, whin i begain this game, you didnt need qust finder buffs, yet some one out there must have relized it whuld make fs funner by haveing it so thay added it in.

there will all ways be some one that dosnt like what you like and that dosnt make thim any less wrong or you any more right. so if you dont like what we sugjest be done, thin come up with your own sugjestion or if you dont want it to change, thin fine, dont say any thing at all. all your doing, all any of you are doing, is trying to tart fights, weather it be that your bored and got nothing better to do, or that you just like startng fights, just leave it off the topic. its not needed and its not wanted here. this is a sight for every one to have fun, not for fighting ofer a sugjested option for upgradeing the game.

you dont like what i say, any replys that try to make me look bad only proves my point. i wont argu with you like some little kid

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 04:13


real? last i checked, it is all true, mybe you need to go back to school no? seem your teacher did a poor job of teaching. becus in my school i went to, one of the best acadimic school districs in the u.s. that say its true, and guess what, the polls dont lie. so deflat your ego and learn to be open minded


:lol:

Your grammar and spelling suggest that your "acadimic" school wasn't as good as you think it was. And the "Earth is flat" thing is a common misconception, but still a misconception.

There was no poll that had anything about the relic issue.

Whether or not I should "deflat" my ego is irrelevant, and being open minded has nothing to do with this. Your "facts" are flat out wrong, this has nothing to do with judgement.


Really, every culture on the world has since right to the Spanish conquest of South America, believed the world was flat. Natives of South America where the last to accept the earth is round. its easy to clam something is a "common misconception" to make your point a view seem like the truth. you cant argue with historical facts. Just as it is a "common misconception" that vikings where the first to reach the new world or the Americas, even with remains of viking settlements in the far north that predate the discovery of the "new world " and the stone with viking symbols carved in them found as far south as Oklahoma. You still want to argue that? I've proved you wrong on all accounts. Just like global warming. You can say its man made and ignore historical facts, or biblical tales, which again, ignore historical facts. Argue it all you want, it doesn't make it true. Next time, show proof, or should i show you links to websites and books written by professors of archaeology on the the subject? Of course you're the kind that will tell them they're wrong, or even argue that the moon landing never happened even to the people that were there.


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Posted 26 January 2011 - 04:32

realy, every culter on the world has since right to the spanish conquest of south america, beleaved the world was flat. natives of south america where the last to accept the earth is round. its easy to clam something is a "common misconception" to make your point a view seem like the truth. you cant argue with historical facts. just as it is a "common misconception" that vikings where the first to rach the new world or the americas, even with remains of viking settelments in the far noth that predate the discover of the "new world " and the stone with viking symbols carved in thim found as far south as oklahoma. you still wat to argue that? iv done proved you wonge on all accounts. just like globel warming. you can say its man made and ignore historical facts, or biblical tails, witch agin, ignore historical facts. argue it all you want, dosnt make it true. next time, show proof, or shuld i show you links to websight and boos writen by professors of archaeology on the the subject? of cores your the kind that will tell thim there wrong, or even argue that the moon landing never happend even to the ppl that where there.




ummm.. what's this have to do with relic's? And I have no idea why this isn't locked yet... it's going No where lol.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 04:32

The ridiculousness of this thread has reached new heights. We have a college student in the US who can't spell or even write using proper English grammar. His Professors and admissions there must be so proud. Let's not forget about the porn from another multi... It must be a full moon.

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#548 mylexa

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 08:32

The ridiculousness of this thread has reached new heights. We have a college student in the US who can't spell or even write using proper English grammar. His Professors and admissions there must be so proud. Let's not forget about the porn from another multi... It must be a full moon.


:mrgreen: LOL agree :D

Look here i appreciate all your effort fm OBR guild to support your founder idea, but using all kind of bs that u can think of just ... :? :shock: . . . U are making a fool out of yourself.

#549 Mzzery

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 08:56

in 2008, there where tones of players on line. on one day it was about 18,000 players online, now there fewer thin 1,709 online at any given time.


Wrong. I began playing in 2008, and I remember the amount to be around 2,300 players, never 18,000. I know this for a fact, because I sent invites to some of my friends from another game, a game that actually WAS dying, and posted that number to them as an insentive to move over to FS instead.

all im saying is, that as some one who has donated money to the game, id hate to see it shut down becus of a few ego inflated high level players thinking tay are the king of the world for being a high level, in A GAME.



Wrong. Nobody at high level has claimed to be the king of the world. Show me a post where anyone has claimed such a thing? I know none in my guild feels "above all others", and I know a lot of other people in the game as well. None of them are stuck on any high horses either. One thing you fail to realize, too, is the fact that it doesn't take levels to get really good at some of the aspects in the game. I know level 320 players who can beat level 1000+ players in pvp. You say nobody at level 50 can beat anyone at level 100. Go get yourself bountied, and I am sure there will be several people at much lower level than you that would enjoy showing you how wrong you are. It's not about levels. It's about skill.

in 1500 it was comman knolage he world was flat and that if you sailed out to the horizon, youed fall off.



Wrong. I know for a fact that it's been known a few thousand years, and I went and looked it up online now, just to show you: Nobody is sure who first deduced that the world is round. It is most likely that it was done by observing the Earth's shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse. Aristotle (384-322 BC) said that it was common knowledge, at least among the learned, so it's been known for at least 2,500 years. We do know that Eratosthenes of Cyrene was the first to accurately estimate the Earth's diameter, around 220 BC. How he did it is detailed at Astronomy Online.

the point i make is the world changes, games change and so do ppl. why dont you deflat you ego, open a history book, and resuch game management befor you bother posting agin.



People don't necessarily have inflated egos just because they have an opinion contradicting yours. You've managed to derail from the topic at hand so much that I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore. You accuse people of having no lives, claim to own a multinational game development company, but not being able to buy FSP because you have to buy food for your family and pay your girlfriend's school. You can't afford to spend 1 FSP to buy buffs you need when you level, so you just don't level. Instead you want an xpgain relic. Why? So you could level without doing anything? You've played for 3 years and managed a whooping 263 levels, which honestly is something you would have managed in just a couple of months without spending any money on buying stamina, had you not let yourself just sit there and overflow.

you ppl miss every point by miles and you act smart, all iv seen is just loser posting there views as a fact with no proof what so ever. not one of you has posted any thing to back up why relic control shuld NOT be changed, instead you try to twist our words, witch isnt working, you try to insult us with isnt working



You want something that would help you and your guild. I can respect that. What that something is, is not something I'd agree on though, since you really would just waste stamina for no gains in the end, walking back and forth, as I and others have already shown you in several calculations posted in this thread.

I'm not going to re-post those calculations, but I would suggest you go read them, and have someone explain them to you if you don't understand what they are about.

And to be honest... you calling everyone losers, while saying people insult you... ugh

we have done nothing but point out a flaw in this game and an option for how it can be fixed


No. What YOU have done is try to grab at all kinds of things, such as the world being flat, world war 2, you being some game owner (I sure hope you handle that better than you handle this thread), insulting people, and not come up with one single thing that makes anyone on here agree with you about what you think is wrong with relics. If you would just stay on topic, things might actually be interesting. If you'd read what people say, that would be good too.

since whin has spelling ever determand how smart some one is? even with bad spelling, my IQ has been tested and is well over average, infact if i remember right, some or the worlds brightist minds culdnt spell worth a crap, becus thay figgered out that wasting time on weather a word is spelled right is a big wast of time. and its been tested that as long as you have the first and last lette in place ay one can tell what the word is. you all need to grow up. a lot of you have the maturity level ar 10 year olds and you try to make it sound like your all grown up.


Wrong. It's a proven fact that a word is readable even if all the letters are messed up as long as the first letter and the last letter is in place, yes, but your words don't fit that cathegory. Some historical geniuses (a small percent) have been dyslectic, but still able to write correct sentences when needed. They didn't decide it was a waste of time, as you claim. Geniuses have never had a problem realizing that to get the attention and understanding they want for their opinions, discoveries etc, they need to make their texts accessible and understandable to the people that read them. Very few people have the energy or willpower to read very long texts that are written in a painfully "slaughtered language" way.

You keep insulting people, calling them immature etc. That, imho, says more about you than about the rest of the people in this thread.

You pull random "facts" from real life history, to try to make a point about something like your unability to make a group and take one of the many undefended relics below level 500. There are such relics, but you dont even make an effort looking for them. You just sit here and post, while overflowing stamina and thus wasting xp you could have helped your guild gain from. What does your real life, world war 2, etc have to do with any of this? It's a game. A game is generally something people enjoy playing to blow off some steam, to relax, to socialize with others, to set goals and to develop a character. It's got nothing to do with what rifle the US military preferred prior to 1860.

our main goal is to make it so guild will be more inclined to recrut low level players more, its not fair for a player that say is level 25 to be excluded from a guild untell there level 100, with uot being in a guild, leveling up becomes nearly impossabil to do if you dont have the money or gold to buy the best gear and to upgrade your account. iv tryed it once, whin i was level 50 and found for every kill i got, i died 2 times. witch ment i was loseing more exp thin i was gaining. and it wasted my stam more thin any thing.


Then why on earth does your top 234 guild have this in the bio?

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(¸.•´ Blue Roses are unique each and every one of them, we are a family and a group of strong individuals.

Leveling, Conflicts and Titan Hunting are high on our list of priorities. We are looking for Adult, Active, Levelers,Titan Hunters and GvGer's to Join us, Please Do apply either by contacting anyone who is online or by our Forum. Join Now as our minimum join level is going upto level 200 soon presently level 100.

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You say your priority for this thread is that you want guilds to recruit level 25 players, and yet you won't? Why is that? Why on earth should others do it for you, if you don't even do it yourself?

You claim low level people quit or don't even start playing, because they can't get into a guild that can defend a relic. If that is true, then I pity them. Why would HCS "fix" something that isn't broken? They have a LOT of things to work on as it is, things that actually do need fixed and developed. You claim you know the costs of running a game, and how much work is involved.... why don't you show that by putting your energy towards changing things that actually could need changed? My first priority, if I was you, would be to change my attitude, and do for myself what the "missing relic" would do, get some xp. HUNT! It's not hard, and you dont need relics to do so, especially below level 700. Why, if that is a fact, do so many people that have no relics post in this thread and say they do fine without relics? And why haven't 99,9% of the players quit?


you all act like where out to make fs more to just our likeing, thats all any of you say. yet you all dont offer up oher options, just critizies others for puting the views out there nd offering an option for makeing fs greater. keeping it the way it is makes for a borring game. it gets old. like the quests, whin i begain this game, you didnt need qust finder buffs, yet some one out there must have relized it whuld make fs funner by haveing it so thay added it in.


I have a suggestion: To change the world, you always have to start with yourself. Why don't you go recruit people at level 1?

You should really look at your priorities. It makes my eyes bleed to see people overflow on stamina while complaining about not having an xp gain relic.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 09:49

*cough* owned. *cough*

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 10:19

The guild i was in before FFS specialised in new players. While being there i didnt hear a single complaint that we couldnt hold relics or empower them. So that new players should quit for that reason can be added to the wrong list as well.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 12:14

realy, every culter on the world has since right to the spanish conquest of south america, beleaved the world was flat. natives of south america where the last to accept the earth is round. its easy to clam something is a "common misconception" to make your point a view seem like the truth. you cant argue with historical facts. just as it is a "common misconception" that vikings where the first to rach the new world or the americas, even with remains of viking settelments in the far noth that predate the discover of the "new world " and the stone with viking symbols carved in thim found as far south as oklahoma. you still wat to argue that? iv done proved you wonge on all accounts. just like globel warming. you can say its man made and ignore historical facts, or biblical tails, witch agin, ignore historical facts. argue it all you want, dosnt make it true. next time, show proof, or shuld i show you links to websight and boos writen by professors of archaeology on the the subject? of cores your the kind that will tell thim there wrong, or even argue that the moon landing never happend even to the ppl that where there.


http://www-istp.gsfc...aze/Scolumb.htm


There's proof.

And your responses to why you didn't put up a poll are incredibly weak.

#553 myakka

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 12:26

Seems to me like this thread's purpose is to do exactly what you are accusing higher level guilds of: rigging the game so that the rules work to your own benefit.

In my guild I in fact see the opposite of this. I see people who 1) learn what the rules are, 2) figure out how to use those rules in ways that make playing FS better for them, 3) figure out how to EARN those benefits.

FFS is a great guild b/c it is full of smart, caring, dedicated people who are addicted to FS.

AND BTW, it is possible for low-levels to upgrade their character with the gold from hunting -- I had all my basic upgrades to my character by level 350 mostly through that methodology.

But that takes patience, planning, and foresight.

But you don't seem to feel the need to EARN your benefits --- so why not just whine and see if you can get the Cows to hand them to you on a silver platter?

#554 fs_copykitty

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 12:47

It's not usually my thing to read much of the forum, let alone posting anything but I just can't believe someone can keep trying to argue their "case" when so many people (in guilds both with and without relics) have insisted otherwise, not to mention they have long diverted from their argument.

You can try and flame me for my guild tag, in fact I expect it since you're so into targeting your so called "big guilds with big egos", but at least try and stay on topic. if you're going to state a problem with relics and propose a possible solution then stick to that, no need to drag the rest of the RL world into this just so you can "prove" something is wrong without showing any convincing proof that is directly affected by the issue in question: in this case relics.

While relic bonuses are nice but they are just that: bonuses. It does make people's lives easier but they are not a necessity. I have spent most of my early stages in game taking on hunting and bounties without ever knowing what relic bonuses are like, there were problems but they were eventually sorted out with different setups and buffs, and many others have done the same before me and many others will do the same after me.

As for actually holding onto a relic, I'm just going to say what has already been said by countless people on the 37 pages of replies so far: learn teamwork. Yes guilds have been able to hold a single relic for 100+ days but given those relics have existed in game for a lot longer than that, it's logical to assume they have also lost control many times...which proves even relics controlled by top guilds can be taken given you use the right methods. Yet these guilds have tried to regain control again and again, and it's through determination, persistence and cooperation of guild members that it can achieved. You cannot argue that such things are flawed simply because you cannot meet these conditions yourself. In case you're wondering what those things are, just imagine that during a relic war, we pulled all our members back to home relic and made sure everyone was in the same type of offline setup to improve our defenses. If you can state and provide CONCRETE proof (without resorting to some random example from world history) that you have done similar things and still fail to hold a relic for 48+ hours, then I'll agree the system is broken.

PS: sorry for the long post, just needed to get things said...

#555 sweetlou

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 13:12

This thread should have been locked long ago....

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#556 Mzzery

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 13:14

This thread should have been locked long ago....


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#557 fs_chezo

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 14:06

They removed the porn and put it back up, You guys have said your bit, now it's time to let others speak.

Let's hear from some players under level 200.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 14:13

Here's one under lvl 200,,, :) and repeating myself,I'm against it.we don't need relics,everything is to easy already for leveling all you need is 1 set for EH and some c**ppy items,for PvP-GvG-you don't need them...

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 14:28

Here's one under lvl 200,,, :) and repeating myself,I'm against it.we don't need relics,everything is to easy already for leveling all you need is 1 set for EH and some c**ppy items,for PvP-GvG-you don't need them...


yes but we have already heard from you as you said yourself.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 14:33

Why does what level you are matter? This is a game issue meaning that all players will be affected and as such should have a voice! The simple truth is that the relic system is fine. If you want a relic take one, defend it till the opposing guild gives up. In my previous guild we fought tooth and nail day and night to hold relics and it was worth the fight. Relics are not necessary and are a luxury, a luxury you have to be willing to fight for. A half-hearted attempt to take one or hold one will not get you anywhere. A thread such as this is a waste of time honestly.


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