New arena players below level 150 can not get started
#1
Posted 01 February 2011 - 13:09
#2
Posted 01 February 2011 - 17:35
#3
Posted 01 February 2011 - 18:25
While I do find this a valid topic, I do think you should also remember the forum has rules as well regarding posting. It would be a shame if your thread was killed for a technicality when it has a valid point.

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#4
Posted 01 February 2011 - 18:28

#5
Posted 01 February 2011 - 18:39
#6
Posted 01 February 2011 - 18:41

#7
fs_mossco
Posted 01 February 2011 - 19:40
#8
Posted 01 February 2011 - 19:45
And when I say consistent, that applies to pretty much across the board. That is, the higher the level – 200, 300, etc – the more likely the higher leveler wins – especially when the difference in levels is +100 or more. If the arena rules truly did “even” everyone out, then you shouldn’t see the winners consistently the very high level players, but they are.
Sounds like sour grapes, I know, but you get a sense when something doesn’t seem fair or balanced, and the PvP arena results just don’t pan out statistically.
Here's another fact: Latest round of competition for PvP arena moves:
Under level 50: 0 compeitions
Level 50 to 399: 7 competitions, average cost to join = 16,875 gold
Level 400 and above: 18 compeitions, average cost to join = less than 12,000 gold, with 7 lower than 10,000 to join.
So, advantage seems not only for higher levels in competing, but cheaper to join the fray for higher levelers, with more gold to spend, having to spend less to do so.
Pretty clear that the PvP Arena appears skewed in favor of the higher level players.
I'll keep trying, why? Dunno...
#9
Posted 01 February 2011 - 22:38
#10
Posted 01 February 2011 - 22:48
Because of the fact that they are delayed at the top for days on end, the price drop some % every X hours resulting in a cheaper entrance fee for these tourneys, if you want those tourneys to move faster and spawn more tourney for yourself, spend some money and join them, even if you have no chance to win, youll move the moves arenas faster, allowing for more <150 to spawn. Its cost 1FSP to join the 20 moves tourney.
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#11
Posted 02 February 2011 - 00:49
#12
Posted 02 February 2011 - 07:32
that was the stupidest argument ever..i and others should have to spend our gold and fsps on arena's we cant win or even be allowed to win (i have all 36 moves??) ??? in order to try and hope that a lvl 150 or below will appear..??..unreal stupid..why not fix it..instead of having players having to waste gold/fsps to fix it..? 1 fsp for 20 arena's...well if a lvl 150 or below is appearing 1 out of 100..someone should spend 5 fsps just to hope to get 1 arena to join for a combat moves ???...are you for real ??..greeeeeeedy..high level players just want the arena for themselves...
Nope, but what you just did wasn't very clever.
The above post was not an argument, but a flashlight on a flawed arena mechanism which explains why those sorta tournaments tend to linger at the higher lvls, and how that affects the rest of the arena. The post also included a suggestion on a fix for this, which admittedly is not perfect, but a fix none the less.
You jumping to the conclusion that everyone at a high level is greedy, and wants the arena for 'emself is not only childish, but also whining and borderline paranoid.
If you have a valid point in those "extremely hard on my eyes" posts, I suggest you stick to that, and refrain from jumping around like a troll with a fireball up its a¤%
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#13
Posted 02 February 2011 - 07:34
that was the stupidest argument ever..i and others should have to spend our gold and fsps on arena's we cant win or even be allowed to win (i have all 36 moves??) ??? in order to try and hope that a lvl 150 or below will appear..??..unreal stupid..why not fix it..instead of having players having to waste gold/fsps to fix it..? 1 fsp for 20 arena's...well if a lvl 150 or below is appearing 1 out of 100..someone should spend 5 fsps just to hope to get 1 arena to join for a combat moves ???...are you for real ??..greeeeeeedy..high level players just want the arena for themselves...
Nobody said it was an argument, I was simply explaining why there are so many high level tourneys and provided a suggestion to get it along faster. I used to do it all the time when the arenas were all 1 single arena, providing ppl w/ gold and such to join and make it go faster. If you dont like it then find another way to get more tourneys (I suggest complaining in a ticket or something).
Also, 1/100 is a bit much, the chance of a level 150 or below appearing is 150/1000(give or take 100), which is 15/100, and its probably more considering lower level tourneys spawn more often than higher level tourneys. Your last statement is false because high level tourneys takes longer to fill, while lower level tourneys takes less time, resulting in an arena that might look skewed to high level player, but is pretty much even (might even be skewed a little to the lower side).
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#14
Posted 02 February 2011 - 11:36
that was the stupidest argument ever..i and others should have to spend our gold and fsps on arena's we cant win or even be allowed to win (i have all 36 moves??) ??? in order to try and hope that a lvl 150 or below will appear..??..unreal stupid..why not fix it..instead of having players having to waste gold/fsps to fix it..? 1 fsp for 20 arena's...well if a lvl 150 or below is appearing 1 out of 100..someone should spend 5 fsps just to hope to get 1 arena to join for a combat moves ???...are you for real ??..greeeeeeedy..high level players just want the arena for themselves...
Nobody said it was an argument, I was simply explaining why there are so many high level tourneys and provided a suggestion to get it along faster. I used to do it all the time when the arenas were all 1 single arena, providing ppl w/ gold and such to join and make it go faster. If you dont like it then find another way to get more tourneys (I suggest complaining in a ticket or something).
Also, 1/100 is a bit much, the chance of a level 150 or below appearing is 150/1000(give or take 100), which is 15/100, and its probably more considering lower level tourneys spawn more often than higher level tourneys. Your last statement is false because high level tourneys takes longer to fill, while lower level tourneys takes less time, resulting in an arena that might look skewed to high level player, but is pretty much even (might even be skewed a little to the lower side).
+1
I, and many others in the other arena threads, agree that the spawning of any kind needs a change. But never forget, when a L.50 move arena shows up it probably fills within an hour, where those L.900 ones take a day and thus accumulate (and become cheaper).
It sure would seem fairer to be able to compete with like levelers in the PvP arena. Regardless of the restrictions to Specials, Forge, and Epics, it is consistently the higher levelers that win at these tournaments. I have Gwans set and Odhars set and Deathspinner set -- trying all sorts of combinations -- losing to higher levelers -- with at least exciting outcomes to similar levelers when that (seldom) happens (that is, competing against and with a bunch of players around the same level).
And when I say consistent, that applies to pretty much across the board. That is, the higher the level – 200, 300, etc – the more likely the higher leveler wins – especially when the difference in levels is +100 or more. If the arena rules truly did “even” everyone out, then you shouldn’t see the winners consistently the very high level players, but they are.
Sounds like sour grapes, I know, but you get a sense when something doesn’t seem fair or balanced, and the PvP arena results just don’t pan out statistically.
Here's another fact: Latest round of competition for PvP arena moves:
Under level 50: 0 compeitions
Level 50 to 399: 7 competitions, average cost to join = 16,875 gold
Level 400 and above: 18 compeitions, average cost to join = less than 12,000 gold, with 7 lower than 10,000 to join.
So, advantage seems not only for higher levels in competing, but cheaper to join the fray for higher levelers, with more gold to spend, having to spend less to do so.
Pretty clear that the PvP Arena appears skewed in favor of the higher level players.
I'll keep trying, why? Dunno...
Like the answers you got in the other thread and which can be read in the arena rules, your level doesn't matter. You say you have Odhar, Gwan, and Deathspinner. That's great and a lot more than many people have. Use them and see why you still lose arenas, as people said it has to do with experience, learn from your losses. And don't forget that frustration/luck is a very important factor. You cannot say if one setup is working after losing once. Only when you consistently lose many times in the same way it is time to change something. No top arena player wins every arena he enters, maybe 1 in 10 on a good day, but more often only 1 in 20/30 or even worse.
#15
Posted 02 February 2011 - 11:53
#16
Posted 02 February 2011 - 12:46
#17
Posted 03 February 2011 - 17:45
Why don't we see more arena challenges across the board, from the lower levels and up? When a lower level arena opens up, it starts around 15,000 gold -- that is an extremely big investment for a newb versus a 300, 400, and above leveler -- chump change for them.
Again, if the arena postings were truly random, you would see a fairly even spread on max levels ont eh board. But that has not been the case since I have been watching and participating on the board. Only a very few arens below 100; fewer still below 50.
Of the 75 or so on the PvP Arena board right now, over 50 are for level 400 and above; with only 4 or 5 below 100 -- and only one below 50 -- and that one is 40,000 to join. Sorry, but there is little chance a true leveler at 10 or below will be entering that contest.
#18
fs_scrogger
Posted 03 February 2011 - 17:57
#19
Posted 03 February 2011 - 19:52
Checking the arenas again shows very few arenas under 50...there should be no reason for that if the arena postings were truly random. I guess in the past, lower levelers could not participate, but that only makes sense if you make the arena cost prohibitive at that level.
So, that part of the PvP arenas is dysfunctional -- the lack of lower max levels combined with the high cost to join.
Geez, it doesn't have to be "fair", but it doesn't make sense and only really narrows the audience to those who "have" -- that is not a good business case -- in any organization, you need to constantly encourage newer, younger, etc., consumers, to join and to succeed, so they keep coming back for more -- basically excluding newer and lower level players fromt his aspect of the game is counter-intuitive and counter-productive.
There's NO way that I am missing so many lower level arenas. When I am online hunting or GvGing, I check the arenas and the bounty board -- sometimes there is a change, but many times, the change is negligible -- so I don't believe that there is that much change at all, and not that fast.
One other thing -- the basic stats of an 800 level piece of gear can be higher than some lower level, crafted and fully forged items -- so participating at the higher levels is at best a crap shoot, at worst, throwing your $$$ away -- it doesn't make sense at all to participate in levels too far above your present gear set.
One last thing -- ongoing arena -- max level 5: 20,000 to join. I am willing to bet that there isn't one player in there below 100 -- maybe oe, and certianly not a level 5 player.
#20
Posted 03 February 2011 - 20:29
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