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#21 fs_scrogger

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 20:36

hellllo...to the person that thinks i am missing those lower levels tournies becuase they fill up faster, get facts before dissing my study...read all my posts , i am checking those completed tourneys for my study..they tell the real story about spawn rates...many many more completed for higher levels than lower..so that proves you completly wrong..becuase if you were right..the completed ones would have plenty more lower levels than higher levels., but my study shows completly the opposite..... according to you the lower levels are filling so fast i cant see them..then why are they not in the completed tournies...simple answer to that...there just are not many lower levels being spawned ....can anyone think logically about this...before calling out my study, i have been online close to 3 days str8 doing this study, i am not missing anything.. ..do your own study...it is very simple to see that a new person to arena level 150 or below that wishes to enter a combat moves tourney without moves, will have to wait many hours, if not days to find one..i am trying to help get more players into arena..but some of you dissing my study seem to not want any newer players getting involved....greeeeeeeed



Did I quote you? or even post after your post? Quit whining, join them when they are there and move on, or if you really have such a problem level up so you can join other arenas. They are pretty proprtionate at any given time, really stop whining.

#22 yodamus

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 20:53

not whining..just stating the facts ..that if you were correct and the higher levels are very slowly filling (which they are). ..then why are there more in the completed tourneys, many more., than lower levels, answer that one...please......and i am only talking combat moves..nothing else...i have my 36 moves..but i have 3 guildmates that want to get involved in arena..but cant..because they have had nothing to join, and i am not going to tell them to join a level 560 arena with thier lvl 50 gear...that would for sure drive them away from arena....today, finally one lvl 39 for a move that does not allow a move..first one in 2 days for someone less than lvl 100...again, not whining..just stating facts..check all completed tournies..to see the real facts..

#23 Ptrgriffin

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 21:01

not whining..just stating the facts ..that if you were correct and the higher levels are very slowly filling (which they are). ..then why are there more in the completed tourneys, many more., than lower levels, answer that one...please......and i am only talking combat moves..nothing else...i have my 36 moves..but i have 3 guildmates that want to get involved in arena..but cant..because they have had nothing to join, and i am not going to tell them to join a level 560 arena with thier lvl 50 gear...that would for sure drive them away from arena....today, finally one lvl 39 for a move that does not allow a move..first one in 2 days for someone less than lvl 100...again, not whining..just stating facts..check all completed tournies..to see the real facts..


I don't think you actually know what whining is!!!

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#24 yodamus

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 21:05

lol..yea probably not....but is it fun to be able to show facts to support what i have been saying ..where others are just talking with no facts..but i have to say..in the last 1 hour a few more lower levels are finally appearing..hooray..maybe now i can end this thread...

#25 dragon1234

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 23:17

As of 22:51 game time, there are 173 pages of completed tourneys. From that there are 153 tourneys that is lv 150 or below. There are 5 tourneys per page resulting in 861(last page has 1) completed tourneys. 153/861 = 17.77% of the tourneys are below 150, which is more than the 15% that would be expected, and even now that tourneys lv >1000 are spawning its way more than the 14.02%(150/1070) that is expected spawn rate of the distribution is even for all levels.
The 3%+ error can be attributed to the explanations given in this thread regarding the movement of the lower levels tourneys vs the movement of higher level tourneys, Even then the 3% error is pretty high for an evenly distributed arena.

If your argument, which states that the arena is skewed toward high level, is true, wouldn’t you see either a 15% rate or even less instead of a positive rate? What this shows is that the arena might even be skewed toward the lower level.

To the person who complain about the entry price, those high level players who play in the arena earned the right to play those levels by leveling up and buying equipments/ bp space to join the arena. Why should a lower level pay less to enter the arena, when it is clear that most if not all high level players spend more money investing in backpack space and keeping equipments that is much lower than their actual level?

If the level 5 get a discount on entry fee, shouldn’t a higher level get a discount on the money they spent for BP space?And since FS keep their business going on the back of FSP bought in exchanged for real money, wouldn’t it be better for them to get the 15FSP invested by higher arena player, than give a lower level a gold discount that they can get from just hunting and doing other in game stuff?

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#26 Sakuliver

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 11:53

+1
And check one of the Arena threads from a month ago or so, when the Arena was fully clogged up with Arenas for L.50-180. At some days half the gold arenas were in that range, just sitting there with nobody wanting to join them. Even when the new potions were coming out with their arenas filling in a minute at L.200+ it took up to an hour before finally somebody joined the lower ones.

The main reason this was (and probably still is) happening is not the spawning rate as Dragon showed. It is the presence of a selection of way-too-overpowered items which only few people have access too.
The Arena is still pretty slow, often only some 10 new ones per hour are spawning and aqs such you would only expect 1

#27 Sakuliver

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:34

12.20 server time (sorry, I'm not good in making screen shots), but currently for the "supposedly completely absent" lower levels, the following relatively new (= interesting) arenas are around:
Potions:
L.89 FI1000
L.191 Pure Fire
L.90 Death Blow

vs 2 potions for L.200+:
L.705 Empowered Armor
L.756 Lazarus

Items:
L.134 Valkyries
L.123 Ignatius
L.161 Essense
L.84 Dwarven War G.
L.21 Svanhilda Recipe
L.180 Judges Bust
Apart from the Igantius maybe, these are all arenas with worthwhile items which would be filled very fast at higher levels.
For higher levels you can find atm mostly items/recipes with entry fees of 1-3 fsp, which are worth a few fsp at most and as such they're sitting there for ages waiting till the fee goes down. The complaints about the entry fee is fully cancelled by this. The most expensive item for lower levels costs 75k to enter, for higher levels it is 425k. And trust me, apart from maybe a very few players you'll find hardly anybody who happily pays these entry fees!

#28 michael65

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 01:30

I think OP wants junior or beginner tourneys so those new to arena can have a chance. Maybe intermediate tourneys also. This is not about filling up tourneys as much as those new to arena get a chance to win a tournament.

#29 morderme

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 20:49

Look, it doesn't matter that "lower" level areans fill up faster -- that's not a good reason. In fact, the areans move quite slowly. I konw, I have been trying to get in on them, and I am just amazed at the lack of low level arenas. There are just next to zero. Today, there were just 6 or 7 across all the arenas. I am sorry, but if the areans filled based on an average randomness, you should see more under 100. When there are only 1 o2 two per arena, that is not random, that is by design and the arena are not filling that quickly, even for low level ones -- I know, I am watching the arenas and basically almost nothing pops up over a long period of time.


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