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#281 fs_nthnclls

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 18:02

lets see now, I said nothing to you or negatively about anyone throughout the entire thread until you and those of your ilk decided to come in here and start taking shots at me for no good reason and it is I who am supposed to be considered less then genuinely concerned about the way things are going?don't know whats motivating you but regardless, if I feel something might be done to improve things for all, no amount of words typed out in here will ever change that, no matter their source. And lastly I don't need a conglomerate to to do it.


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Posted 21 February 2011 - 18:15

I apologize to all for whats been occurring. The thread was meant to be about the new titan and it's been inadverently sidetracked. I would ask those who wish to speak to me or comment further about things nonrelated, to do so via pm's and return the thread back into it's intended direction

#283 arichey22

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 19:49

Now we got through that....

What about adding the Darkness to all the titans. The months that are stated below the titan times will change by quarter. It will be dark during those times. Its fair and equal across the board. The time could be setup for per titan. It could be different for Each titan. they don't all have to be running on the same time.

January to March 00:00 to 0600
April to June 0600 to 1200
July to Sept 1200 to 1800
Oct to December 1800 to 2400

#284 evilbry

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 20:26

Now we got through that....

What about adding the Darkness to all the titans. The months that are stated below the titan times will change by quarter. It will be dark during those times. Its fair and equal across the board. The time could be setup for per titan. It could be different for Each titan. they don't all have to be running on the same time.

January to March 00:00 to 0600
April to June 0600 to 1200
July to Sept 1200 to 1800
Oct to December 1800 to 2400

Yup, I would be happy with one that puts wickerman spawning in my sweet spot (when the americans are sleeping)

#285 Willow34

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 21:14

Now we got through that....

What about adding the Darkness to all the titans. The months that are stated below the titan times will change by quarter. It will be dark during those times. Its fair and equal across the board. The time could be setup for per titan. It could be different for Each titan. they don't all have to be running on the same time.

January to March 00:00 to 0600
April to June 0600 to 1200
July to Sept 1200 to 1800
Oct to December 1800 to 2400


Would this make those maps Dark only when the titan is out? I am just curious what people are thinking, since levelers are also moving through these maps for leveling/quests during times when titans are out. The difference for the new titan is that its map isn't used for leveling or related to other quests, etc.

#286 arichey22

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 02:13

humm didn't think of that. I Think. I don't know that. Maybe HCS could program for the screen to go dark only when the titan appears. But normally The lower titans are not at locations the people cant hunt. Deep water you have to go through a bunch of quests to get too and oggy you have Pops in 4 different locations. So I don't see why it would make a difference The rest of the titans I believe you should be able to have vision for.

I wonder what Hcs thinks of this?

#287 BigGrim

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 12:15

We will not be making the other titan realms go dark. This one is as it is high level and challenging. It's THP is lower than the Colossus' and the Cats Eye Potion is fine at it's buff level. We may increase it's duration however.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 13:07

We will not be making the other titan realms go dark. This one is as it is high level and challenging. It's THP is lower than the Colossus' and the Cats Eye Potion is fine at it's buff level. We may increase it's duration however.

Nice ! Well yes THP less then colossus but stats for this titan like 3x colossus as i see...
Its need afew strong pots and expensive setup to kill it with like 2-3 hits and with dark realm...
First spawn for this titan took 20 hours until finished... good amount of players was hunting it at the start (first 3 hours) then many players gaveup and my guild stayed till secured it after 10 hours! and there was like just 2 other players hunting it...
Do u think thats ok ? or theres something wrong with drop?

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 14:20

The Epics will not be changed.

Like I said, we might tweak the duration of cats eye.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 14:31

The Epics will not be changed.
Like I said, we might tweak the duration of cats eye.

Yeah, that makes sense: since no players knew the stats of the new Epics before the Titan was defeated, (and still don't except for the one that was made) the Epics cannot be the reason it took so long to defeat it.

What the reason its took long time to defeat it then...? maybe cuz its a waste of time for most players and not interesting drop (not me)?

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 14:32

+1 for the prevous answer from Shin
Well you maybe must do someway to be possibly to get more kills from the new titan from one squard it will lower the time for hunting it and I don't know but the first day when you add it the price for the elements weapons go up quickly and now the price is the same that's maybe is not worthing...

#292 RJEM

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 14:41

The Epics will not be changed.
Like I said, we might tweak the duration of cats eye.

Yeah, that makes sense: since no players knew the stats of the new Epics before the Titan was defeated, (and still don't except for the one that was made) the Epics cannot be the reason it took so long to defeat it.

What the reason its took long time to defeat it then...?


I would guess a combination of:

1. Most people knowing they didn't have a chance against the well established guilds, so waiting for the initial rush to die down in order to maximise the TKPs they can earn.
2. Limited number of players in range.
3. Usual number of players not that interested - for example, all those from 800-900 (like me) who aren't in a big guild helping out would essentially be draining stamina for no reason!
4. Small-ish market for the final item.

Point 4 is a big one - whilst a choker has a potential market of thousands of players and a real market of hundreds, this new item has a potential market of hundreds and a real market of *maybe* tens. Releasing high level stuff is necessarily going to limit how desirable it is, simply by virtue of the lower number of players up there.

Having said all that then I think we need to accept that the higher level titans will never be defeated as quickly as the low-mid level ones, because the saturation point is much lower.

#293 grimnok

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 14:48

The Epics will not be changed.
Like I said, we might tweak the duration of cats eye.

Yeah, that makes sense: since no players knew the stats of the new Epics before the Titan was defeated, (and still don't except for the one that was made) the Epics cannot be the reason it took so long to defeat it.


We did know the stats of the epics, by assuming a reasonable crafting bonus. And the crafting bonus was certainly within most expectations. The fact is, it would be a lot more compelling if it were in a different equipment slot. Yes, we know it's not going to change. If the goal is to create competitive, popular titans, you must consider the fact that by placing it in a slot, which breaks up a better set, you are diminishing the value (and therefore, interest) in the drop.

Another reason it look so long, and this is an explanation, not a gripe. Getting 250 kills (pick your favorite number) on this titan with 1 one person will cost tons more stamina than getting 250 kills with 4-5 people, and I mean cumulative, e.g. it might cost 1 person 2000 stamina, and cost 4 people 250 stamina each. Because of this, it is much less amenable to solo hunting.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 15:01

The Epics will not be changed.
Like I said, we might tweak the duration of cats eye.

Yeah, that makes sense: since no players knew the stats of the new Epics before the Titan was defeated, (and still don't except for the one that was made) the Epics cannot be the reason it took so long to defeat it.


We did know the stats of the epics, by assuming a reasonable crafting bonus. And the crafting bonus was certainly within most expectations. The fact is, it would be a lot more compelling if it were in a different equipment slot. Yes, we know it's not going to change. If the goal is to create competitive, popular titans, you must consider the fact that by placing it in a slot, which breaks up a better set, you are diminishing the value (and therefore, interest) in the drop.

Another reason it look so long, and this is an explanation, not a gripe. Getting 250 kills (pick your favorite number) on this titan with 1 one person will cost tons more stamina than getting 250 kills with 4-5 people, and I mean cumulative, e.g. it might cost 1 person 2000 stamina, and cost 4 people 250 stamina each. Because of this, it much less amenable to solo hunting.


They need to play the game more, what sense is there in releasing something a week before (Sludge set) and then releasing an epic item which is pale in comparison to it, I don't understand this logic of, "it is the best item for it's level" yeah...it is, but we use sets too you know Grim, would you use something that has a theoretical 1 million damage set bonus, or use that epic shield, just because it is "the best singular item" I know what I'd do.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 15:23

They need to play the game more, what sense is there in releasing something a week before (Sludge set) and then releasing an epic item which is pale in comparison to it, I don't understand this logic of, "it is the best item for it's level" yeah...it is, but we use sets too you know Grim, would you use something that has a theoretical 1 million damage set bonus, or use that epic shield, just because it is "the best singular item" I know what I'd do.


Obviously I'm not that level yet, so the gear conflict hasn't been resolved in my world - but shouldn't you be comparing the level 900 shield to the items used from 900-950 rather than bringing up a level 950 set as a counterexample? 50 levels of usage would be an acceptable return for an item if it was better than stuff available from 900 upwards.

I assume Helhearts + Elemental Shield is better than Helhearts + Other Shield

Compare like with like.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 16:53

They need to play the game more, what sense is there in releasing something a week before (Sludge set) and then releasing an epic item which is pale in comparison to it, I don't understand this logic of, "it is the best item for it's level" yeah...it is, but we use sets too you know Grim, would you use something that has a theoretical 1 million damage set bonus, or use that epic shield, just because it is "the best singular item" I know what I'd do.


Obviously I'm not that level yet, so the gear conflict hasn't been resolved in my world - but shouldn't you be comparing the level 900 shield to the items used from 900-950 rather than bringing up a level 950 set as a counterexample? 50 levels of usage would be an acceptable return for an item if it was better than stuff available from 900 upwards.

I assume Helhearts + Elemental Shield is better than Helhearts + Other Shield

Compare like with like.


True, it's only because the shields around that level are complete crap though, the highest is level 796 which has around 1100 damage, where as other item slots for that level have around 1500, and we have to wait until level 1001 to beat that as a singular item, 205 levels

I'll agree that the damage variant of this shield is very good for 49 levels, and then it becomes average.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 16:56

They need to play the game more, what sense is there in releasing something a week before (Sludge set) and then releasing an epic item which is pale in comparison to it, I don't understand this logic of, "it is the best item for it's level" yeah...it is, but we use sets too you know Grim, would you use something that has a theoretical 1 million damage set bonus, or use that epic shield, just because it is "the best singular item" I know what I'd do.


Obviously I'm not that level yet, so the gear conflict hasn't been resolved in my world - but shouldn't you be comparing the level 900 shield to the items used from 900-950 rather than bringing up a level 950 set as a counterexample? 50 levels of usage would be an acceptable return for an item if it was better than stuff available from 900 upwards.

I assume Helhearts + Elemental Shield is better than Helhearts + Other Shield

Compare like with like.


True, it's only because the shields around that level are complete crap though, the highest is level 796 which has around 1100 damage, where as other item slots for that level have around 1500, and we have to wait until level 1001 to beat that as a singular item, 205 levels

I'll agree that the damage variant of this shield is very good for 49 levels, and then it becomes average.


Ok, thought I was going mad there as I couldn't find a shield based Set that it interfered with if you used Helhearts rather than Acheron :)

Haven't looked at the other shields yet as they aren't in the game - but I assume they will have niche appeal at best.

#298 Leos3000

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:52

Hey BG/Forn been pretty busy but, I had a few concerns on the new titan I felt you could possibly answer/address for me.

Biggest Issue with me is the new potion for hunting,

I dont mind a challenge at all, but there are several flaws in this that just making the overall hunting experience painful, and not that fun/practical

1st and the biggest issue was the duration of the potion I had to use 5 of them on 1 hunt!! At the very least if you listen to nothing else could you PLEASE increase the duration on the potion to 180 mins or somewhere around there.

2nd The level of the potion is slightly underpowered still while I like the idea of introducing the new potion at the same time of the titan it really could have been a bit stronger to allow titan hunting to adjust to hunting in the dark. The map that you put the new elemental titan on is HUGE I can't even see the whole thing on my screen if it wasn't dark which in its self is a challenge as I am constantly scrolling up and down as I move around (another challenge that most titan hunters are not used to). In my honest opinion of level that would be best for everyone would be either 350 or 400 as somewhere around that level you can see 1/3-1/4 of the map at once. If you didnt notice on the logs, for a 1st release this titan was 5x longer then any other titan 20 hours total to take all its HP is pretty insane to ask of some people (The limited sight is probably the biggest reason it will take so long to kill it)

Another suggestion I would have to fix the length of the hunt is possibly set the Median HP to 5000 would at least cut down the hunt by an Hour or 2 maybe even 3 which will make this titan more accessible to more.

In perfect Conditions for Normal Titans I can kill about 800-1000 and hour, for this 1 in almost perfect conditions in the middle I was killing 200-300 and hr (perfect means me and the titan on the map and no one else) just giving you an example to show how slow paced it is in the current settings.

I am not going to whine about the items as they are fairly nice (as long as they had +3 stam gain I was going to be happy) I will show you some comparisons on why others are a little upset tho.

Its a level 900 Epic item

Stat points Perfect 1750 Damage 870 Def total = 2620

Fat Man shield level 900 LE 2100 Stat points before Set bonus per item after set bonus is 2985 stat points per item

Azure level 900 SE set is 210 stat points per item before set bonus
after the set bonus each item gets 2596 points per item for a total of 2806 points per item

So by no means is this item overpowered when compared to items that are suppose to be of lesser status.

Its up to you on changing the actual stats on the shields or not as having sets also has the advantage of Keen edge to boost people's stats even more. This part was just to point out what others were complaining about as far as the actual items.

But Please look into the new potion and possibly lowering the titan kill points a little to make the hunt time go down some ( I did spend 10 hours on the 1st 1, but this is just not practical in most cases and making the game more enjoyable to more should always be a consern)

#299 Leos3000

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 19:18

Good to see this titan is dying slower then the colossus does... and its only been out 2 times, looks to me as if something should be done to help this situation??? or maybe not

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 19:40

I skipped this one. After 31 kills for way too much stam on the first, and little chance of getting enough TKP in my lifetime, just not much motivation. Besides, I'm trying to get an annulment with the Seal of Fire right now, that's getting messy.


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