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#41 fs_notabadguy

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 14:02

I am glad for the change overall. I was just wondering with so many of the new skills seem to be Pvp oriented (Shame,Fist Fight, Honor, Smite...etc.)- would there be any consideration to dropping the level needed to use these skills? I think their is going to a huge decrease in Pvp players and perhaps lowering the level needed for these skills would help them seem more than little use.

All in all good job Hunted Cow!

#42 Maehdros

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 14:20


ONLY Players who have opted in to the ladder will have "rating" which is then "fought over" ... everyone else.. won't have a pvp rating.

Not even a little rating for attacks on opt-outs within your +/-10 range ? I'm not sure why that would be a good thing.
Perhaps opt-outs should get the equivalent of a 900 rating at ladder reset, and attacks on them should yeild rating accordingly.

Bounties IMO should take rating (and gold and XP) in all cases but only give rating to those BH who opted in.



Gold hits,hourly hits, Wars,revenge hits..etc will still happen..and bounties will happen. Rating will only be for those who "pvp now" and it hopefully will actual mean something. If opt outs have rating..it will be farmed..as before..we dont need that. Rating should stay in brackets.Only those who clear bounties in their own respective brackets should gain rating ( same as it is now).

#43 Maehdros

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 14:39

Some players gold hit.. and don't often play the ladder.With the current system they got rating for doing so, as Did players who cleared someone with rating...etc. Now with the new update looming,players can pvp for gold without worrying about putting themselves on the ladder to be a target ( unless they opt in and hit another player who opts in) because while many play the ladder..Some players pvp for gold..etc and not rating.

#44 Kontiki

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 15:12

The live discussion is a good way to talk over ideas.

In the future, if you have problems accessing the chat please let us know on the forum so we can try to help.

- hoof

There were several players reporting problems to access IRC on the forum. Which is why it was requested that you posted a summary of the discussion before making any rash decisions.

Meh.

On the bright side, PvP might just turn back to normal outside the ladder.
On the downside, you have made rating and the ladder a joke again. I personally wish you'd removed the whole thing instead.


And, please, please, please, dont limit the XP lock changes to the ladder. If someone hits me for XP I want to be able to take XP back.

#45 Necra

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 15:20

will fixing the pvp ladder also fix the glitch not being able to hit players +/- 10 lvl. example: if u are at the cusp or your pvp ladder bracket and opt out, but continue to pvp ( gold hits, war, etc...) if the player was with in the +/-10 lvl but just out side the pvp ladder bracket no hit were allowed. keep in mind the hit was not for ladder rating, player happened to have a lot of gold could not hit, but was with in the +/- 10 lvl's. will this be fixed??

#46 Maehdros

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 15:24

will fixing the pvp ladder also fix the glitch not being able to hit players +/- 10 lvl. example: if u are at the cusp or your pvp ladder bracket and opt out, but continue to pvp ( gold hits, war, etc...) if the player was with in the +/-10 lvl but just out side the pvp ladder bracket no hit were allowed. keep in mind the hit was not for ladder rating, player happened to have a lot of gold could not hit, but was with in the +/- 10 lvl's. will this be fixed??



I think you will be able to spank em ;) :twisted:

#47 Xainth

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 15:27

Since this is partially about game updates, I'm hoping either an opt in / opt out decision has been made or the whole thing trashed all together in regards to the new movement on the game issue.

#48 Xainth

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 17:25

Pretty sad when people can "OPT OUT" of PVP.

#49 fs_shadow9987

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:10

Pretty sad when people can "OPT OUT" of PVP.

Pretty sad when people can hit others who don't care about PvP and validate themselves because of the ladder.

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:12

I agree Xainth, even though I hate it, it is part of the game. I generally never get hit anyways and usually because I forgot I had gold, so won't effect me much.

#51 fs_ballbag

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:21

If you dont opt in why can you still pvp? If you dont opt-in your obviously not a pvper so why why would you want a pvp without any rating?...Or am i missing the point...please explain :)

#52 Dark Developer

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:23

Pretty sad when people can "OPT OUT" of PVP.


Please read before posting. All players can be attacked within a +-10 level range. If a player opts-in to the ladder the range is extended, XP/gold loss is throughout the whole ladder. No players are safe unless they pay.

#53 fs_ballbag

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:26

Seems pretty sad that HCS does not trust their own systems.[/quote]
I can not access it either. There has to be a better way than a system that not all players have access to.[/quote]
Definitely not a good option. I could get on (this time) but the messages moved so fast I couldn't keep up with what was being talked about. And the white lettering on a black background killed my eyes. :( Why is the forum all of a sudden not good for player feedback?[/quote]



Good point about the eyes...i coudnt read a thing and the writing in blue was a killer...please try and change the IRC so its like the forums thanks :)

#54 Maehdros

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:29

Pretty sad when people can "OPT OUT" of PVP.


Please read before posting. All players can be attacked within a +-10 level range. If a player opts-in to the ladder the range is extended, XP/gold loss is throughout the whole ladder. No players are safe unless they pay.


The New PvP ladder will ONLY made up of those who opt in. ie: when you opt in..you get rating. You hit for others( who opted in) with rating to climb a ladder.


NOT opting in..means you can pvp OR be pvp'd by someone 10+/- your VL for gold or xp.. BUT you dont have a rating, there fore you dont gain or take rating.



PvP protection..protects xp,and a % of gold. Protected players can't attack anyone. or they lose the protection.

#55 Necra

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:31

Pretty sad when people can "OPT OUT" of PVP.


i dont think your under standing. its not opt'ing out of pvp. Its opt'ing out of the pvp ladder. similar to the pvp arena if you want to play you opt in.

Pretty sad when people can hit others who don't care about PvP and validate themselves because of the ladder.


i dont want my huose to be robbed so i lock my windows and doors. so...... ..........ppl dont want to get hit for pvp, then dont hold gold and dont anger any one. the new pvp ladder adjustment fixes it so the masses are not being randomly hit for rating. get it?

#56 fs_denonia

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:40

I dont understand why ppl who manage to get on irc have more relevant opinions than ppl who dont I was sitting outside and couldnt login due to some java bug.

I think in generally letting a discussion flow on a message board for a couple of days is a better way to get a broad spectrum of opinions.

#57 fs_scrogger

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:49

I dont understand why ppl who manage to get on irc have more relevant opinions than ppl who dont I was sitting outside and couldnt login due to some java bug.

I think in generally letting a discussion flow on a message board for a couple of days is a better way to get a broad spectrum of opinions.


+1

Not a fan of the changes, yay I get to hit 2-3 people total, real dominant.........

And I say this from the perspective of someone who would hit anyone and everyone and find ways to win, BB is fun and I'm on there a lot showing my dominance. Now It as if we were all put in a playpen and take swings till the timer is up.

#58 shindrak

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:51

As i see PvP will work perfect now ! i was looking at the chat yesterday i didnt give my opinion cuz i knew some of this real pvpers will explain and give opinions better :)

#59 Necra

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 18:56

I dont understand why ppl who manage to get on irc have more relevant opinions than ppl who dont I was sitting outside and couldnt login due to some java bug.

I think in generally letting a discussion flow on a message board for a couple of days is a better way to get a broad spectrum of opinions.


+1

Not a fan of the changes, yay I get to hit 2-3 people total, real dominant.........

And I say this from the perspective of someone who would hit anyone and everyone and find ways to win, BB is fun and I'm on there a lot showing my dominance. Now It as if we were all put in a playpen and take swings till the timer is up.



yeah it stinks that ur now limited to who u can hit, god know i love and will attack any one, and every one given a chance (and win). but for the ppl who only lvl and steer clear of the pvp aspect and respect it, support fellow gild mates/ allies who do pvp deserve some respect back!! ! ( lol to an extent of course: hold to much gold and that respect goes out the window!! :P with limitation we do have our allies )

#60 Maehdros

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 19:03

I'd much rather prove any sort of dominance against other pvprs( even if it's only a few) in a bracket, then against someone with rating ( like now) who has probably no chance in hell in hitting me back or wants to risk hitting me back.

I want to fight others with skill, and at first if its only a few?fine..maybe more will start pvping the ladder.. give it a chance and see. If not.. theres always hourly war hits, gold hits,and random acts of violence on someone in your +/-10 range ;) But farming , isn't pvp. I hate it. And I hope this change is for the better of the game. Something NEEDED to happen.


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