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#61 Chazz224

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 19:10

I dont understand why ppl who manage to get on irc have more relevant opinions than ppl who dont I was sitting outside and couldnt login due to some java bug.

I think in generally letting a discussion flow on a message board for a couple of days is a better way to get a broad spectrum of opinions.


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Not a fan of the changes, yay I get to hit 2-3 people total, real dominant.........

And I say this from the perspective of someone who would hit anyone and everyone and find ways to win, BB is fun and I'm on there a lot showing my dominance. Now It as if we were all put in a playpen and take swings till the timer is up.




See many are looking at this the wrong way... This would be and is proof of being dominant. Now PVPer's are only allowed to go against the most Elitist of players. There will be no more farming the little ones for extra ratings... If you wanna win a ladder you will have to perform up to expectation, and if you don't ... Well than I guess those who don't won't be dominant now will they.

I feel people should look at this new coming ladder as a challenge. Of course their will be less targets, but ... the targets you will have, will hit you back, and most likely it will be hourly. You want rating, you want dominance well HCS has brought you and us all " THE BEST OF THE BEST" in each ladder bracket... If that's not true and pure dominance I really can't say what is.

Back in Rome their were gladiators who would fight in the great arena. Only the best of the best survived... My Question is do you have what it takes to be dominant... ??? Well starting monday we will all find out just who the best of the best is... in this game.

#62 Necra

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 19:13

I'd much rather prove any sort of dominance against other pvprs( even if it's only a few) in a bracket, then against someone with rating ( like now) who has probably no chance in hell in hitting me back or wants to risk hitting me back.

I want to fight others with skill, and at first if its only a few?fine..maybe more will start pvping the ladder.. give it a chance and see. If not.. there's always hourly war hits, gold hits,and random acts of violence on someone in your +/-10 range ;) But farming , isn't pvp. I hate it. And I hope this change is for the better of the game. Something NEEDED to happen.

AGREED!!!!!! very well put personally when i looses in pvp/ combat i get all excited new challenge of stats and gear - allocated skill points/ relic bonuses and so on. i love a challenge thus my love for pvp. :D

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 19:21

In no way am I saying that I don't enjoy the challenge, nor will I stop participating. I am almost always a target as I participate often and when your name is in the top 3 people hit you. I often win a lot of incoming attacks and it has caused me to participate by default. I don't think the farming of inactives was in any way dominant and I would go out of my way to target that player that did it as well as those that used gloat on me. I would hourly them regardless of their participation or not. Either way I will adjust and continue fighting as that's what I do. I just think the changes recently made should have been given a chance before the most recent ones.

#64 Necra

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 19:28

this farming crap kills me! if ya play the pvp ladder and ur mass hitting every one with no regards for ppl playing the ladder or not then u deserve to be on the bb. and if ur dumb enough to get posted multiple time on the bb and in my bracket i will take ur bounty and 100 stam ur butt all the way! play the pvp ladder and have my respect chances i wont. but with the new changes happening the masses wont be able to get hit unless opt'd in . so ya get posted probability some one is crying :P

#65 Chazz224

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 19:31

In no way am I saying that I don't enjoy the challenge, nor will I stop participating. I am almost always a target as I participate often and when your name is in the top 3 people hit you. I often win a lot of incoming attacks and it has caused me to participate by default. I don't think the farming of inactives was in any way dominant and I would go out of my way to target that player that did it as well as those that used gloat on me. I would hourly them regardless of their participation or not. Either way I will adjust and continue fighting as that's what I do. I just think the changes recently made should have been given a chance before the most recent ones.



Well Scroogger... On Monday we all will fight and battle against are very best and brave. We will all lose XP, gold, and rating & we will all win the same thing. The strategy here is to make the other guy lose on those incoming attacks lol which should be a lot of fun lol

In regards to given the current system a chance, I'm sure many are complaining. The MT percentage has been seriously dropped now and needs fixing. Many of the levelers are in an upset due to being farmed. In fact if we consider how many have had complaints its only understandable as to why the Devs felt the system needed another change. Outside of the MT rating being dropped to 10% to 6% which is really horrible... ummm My only complaint is that I really enjoyed being able to gold hit within the 50 level ladder bracket. LOL

I was hopping they'd (the devs) would let that stay but understandable it will go back to +/- 10 from our VL's which is ok... I just want the MT rating fixed to a 1 in 4 preferably lol But the new ladder system sounds really good. An I'm looking forward to it... =)

#66 Necra

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 19:35

will fixing the pvp ladder also fix the glitch not being able to hit players +/- 10 lvl. example: if u are at the cusp or your pvp ladder bracket and opt out, but continue to pvp ( gold hits, war, etc...) if the player was with in the +/-10 lvl but just out side the pvp ladder bracket no hit were allowed. keep in mind the hit was not for ladder rating, player happened to have a lot of gold could not hit, but was with in the +/- 10 lvl's. will this be fixed??

i would like to get feed back from hoof/hcs on my question please

#67 Thoran

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 20:12

The IRC channel works like any other IRC site. You have to check your Browser settings for Java. Check to see if you have 'NoScript' (a Firefox Add-On) blocking the page.
If you cant get in, the issue is on YOUR END.

The site is NOT only for elite players as suggested here, thats just silly.

- Also, if the typing goes too fast for you, you can PAUSE it and read it at your own pace.
- You can try an IRC client like this one -- http://www.mirc.com/
- The Unofficial IRC Channel (http://fallenswordirc.com) site is always open so I suggest that you try to resolve the issue your having NOW, so that later you can enter and participate in discussions. Im sure many players here would be happy to help those that are having trouble, like myself. When you go there, just click on CHAT at the top.

- I doubt you will need an IRC client since this is Java based. You should see a white window come up with JAVA loading if its working right.

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#68 RJEM

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 20:41

will fixing the pvp ladder also fix the glitch not being able to hit players +/- 10 lvl. example: if u are at the cusp or your pvp ladder bracket and opt out, but continue to pvp ( gold hits, war, etc...) if the player was with in the +/-10 lvl but just out side the pvp ladder bracket no hit were allowed. keep in mind the hit was not for ladder rating, player happened to have a lot of gold could not hit, but was with in the +/- 10 lvl's. will this be fixed??

i would like to get feed back from hoof/hcs on my question please


Necra - all of the discussion on this with Hoof was based on this being fixed. You will be able to hit anyone in your +-10 level range for gold and XP. You will only get rating from other players on the ladder who are in your band. Hitting someone in a different band will work like 'normal' PvP - i.e. Gold and XP but no rating.

Hope that helps!

#69 Xainth

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 21:54

I dont understand why ppl who manage to get on irc have more relevant opinions than ppl who dont I was sitting outside and couldnt login due to some java bug.

I think in generally letting a discussion flow on a message board for a couple of days is a better way to get a broad spectrum of opinions.



I had the same java bug. I tried multiple times but couldn't get in the discussion.

#70 Xainth

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 21:56

Pretty sad when people can "OPT OUT" of PVP.

Pretty sad when people can hit others who don't care about PvP and validate themselves because of the ladder.



Isn't that life? People break in your home and steal from you whether you participate in the same activities as they do?

Or extremest crash planes into buildings killing people because of their thinking and not everyone agreeing to their way of thinking.

I see your point. I'm putting a note on my door right now that says, "Please don't break in. I have opted out of being robbed. Thank you."

#71 Maehdros

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 22:04

Pretty sad when people can "OPT OUT" of PVP.

Pretty sad when people can hit others who don't care about PvP and validate themselves because of the ladder.



Isn't that life? People break in your home and steal from you whether you participate in the same activities as they do?

Or extremest crash planes into buildings killing people because of their thinking and not everyone agreeing to their way of thinking.

I see your point. I'm putting a note on my door right now that says, "Please don't break in. I have opted out of being robbed. Thank you."





PvP rating should show someones skill. Now..hopefully it will have more meaning with this new update. Previously it was..who can hit who the most,who can farm the most offline players,who can clear the most bounties for rating in their bracket ,many avoided risk.. some xp locked,and some farmed inactives.


With the new update(tomorrow) XP Lock wont work on the ladder. EVERYONE( opted into the ladder) Loses XP rating and gold.


No more rubber bats ;)

#72 Xainth

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 22:47

PvP rating should show someones skill. Now..hopefully it will have more meaning with this new update. Previously it was..who can hit who the most,who can farm the most offline players,who can clear the most bounties for rating in their bracket ,many avoided risk.. some xp locked,and some farmed inactives.


With the new update(tomorrow) XP Lock wont work on the ladder. EVERYONE( opted into the ladder) Loses XP rating and gold.


No more rubber bats ;)


Your right there. It was who could hit who the most.

If this makes it more competitive, I'm all for it. I hope it will have more meaning with this update as well.

#73 fs_shadow9987

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 22:51

PvP rating should show someones skill.

Bingo.

#74 Leos3000

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 22:57

I really like the new changes, good work guys.

As far as finding who is opted in and who is opted out I have a fairly easy solution.

for the new ladder after each reset just have everyone who is opted in appear on the new ladder with 1k rating. So instead of having to hit someone to appear on the ladder everyone just starts out appearing on it.

#75 Maehdros

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 23:07

I really like the new changes, good work guys.

As far as finding who is opted in and who is opted out I have a fairly easy solution.

for the new ladder after each reset just have everyone who is opted in appear on the new ladder with 1k rating. So instead of having to hit someone to appear on the ladder everyone just starts out appearing on it.


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Posted 04 April 2011 - 00:11

Can you make the rating and xp loss even no matter what level also? Because I am losing more xp when I am unbuffed and attacked by someone 30 levels under me and losing 23 rating. When I attack back I only get 11 rating even though they have 250 more rating than me and the xp is far less. Equal balance of xp loss and rating please?

I am sure someone has already said this, but I believe it is being ignored or hasn't been answered.

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#77 Necra

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 00:22

thank you RJEM i hope its fixed. i was raged couldn't hit a player in my 10 lvl range cuz of the ladder brackets. missed out on hitting player holding over 3 mill in gold.

#78 Maehdros

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 01:21

Can you make the rating and xp loss even no matter what level also? Because I am losing more xp when I am unbuffed and attacked by someone 30 levels under me and losing 23 rating. When I attack back I only get 11 rating even though they have 250 more rating than me and the xp is far less. Equal balance of xp loss and rating please?

I am sure someone has already said this, but I believe it is being ignored or hasn't been answered.





its the same % of xp per stam. just different amounts based on the level of the player ;)


The new ladder is even 1- 10% xp loss per pvp hit across the board.( ie: 781/782 I would lose a bit more for a 100 stam.. then a level 700).. but it's still 10%.



And rating should be even also( depending on honor/gloat,and rating difference it will vary tho).


Right now there is a modifier for both xp loss and rating..depending on the gap in levels.Tomorrow there won't be.

#79 Xainth

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 01:25

One thing about PvP ladder opt out is, that us that are trying to get as many bounties as possible to get our next medal are gonna have a lot less bounties I'd bet. I hope not, but I'd bet. So there are advantages to keeping it the way it is right now.

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 01:30

One thing about PvP ladder opt out is, that us that are trying to get as many bounties as possible to get our next medal are gonna have a lot less bounties I'd bet. I hope not, but I'd bet. So there are advantages to keeping it the way it is right now.



There were many bounties before the pvp ladder came out,an alot less players who bounty hunted. There will still be gold hits,prestige hits, random violence, wars. and counter bounties etc. And I honestly think the proposed idea is alot more important then gaining a medal more quickly ;). Just will take a bit more time. thats all.


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