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#1 Xainth

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 16:09

I suspected with the new pvp change, the bounty board would die.

It has. It was 2 to 3 pages and sometimes more full of nice bounties. Now its less than half a page every time I look.

I understand the PvP reasons many wanted change. But now another area has hurt because of that change.

Could we all come up with some ideas to help bring the bounty board back to life? I'm over half way to my next medal. Now, I'm in a huge rut.

#2 Bleltch

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 16:18

I suspected with the new pvp change, the bounty board would die.

It has. It was 2 to 3 pages and sometimes more full of nice bounties. Now its less than half a page every time I look.

I understand the PvP reasons many wanted change. But now another area has hurt because of that change.

Could we all come up with some ideas to help bring the bounty board back to life? I'm over half way to my next medal. Now, I'm in a huge rut.

Tie the pvp ladder into how much gold you steal, and exp you take maybe? As it is now the pvp ladder is nothing but a pvp point trading mini game. And the worst part of it is they disassociated pvp points from real pvp. :?

#3 Maehdros

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 16:20

Tweak the Master Thief And Gold Stealing %,and you will see more gold hits and bounties ;). Many of the bounties before were for simple rating hits on players who didnt even pvp. Now players can smash each others brains out on the ladder.Actual Competition ( most times)Not many bounty ladder hits now, Gold hits are almost always bountied ;)

#4 Snowy900

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 16:37

Im not even going to bother with the ladder, i will just happily 100stam anyone in my 10level range

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 17:28

Tweak the Master Thief And Gold Stealing %,and you will see more gold hits and bounties ;). Many of the bounties before were for simple rating hits on players who didnt even pvp. Now players can smash each others brains out on the ladder.Actual Competition ( most times)Not many bounty ladder hits now, Gold hits are almost always bountied ;)

+1 I'm not a regular pvp'er but if someone's carrying too much gold I will try to help relieve their burden. Increase theft rates and you will see more gold hits. If I remember correctly, the theft rates were decreased some time ago so perhaps just restore them to previous levels.

#6 Xainth

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 17:37

Tweak the Master Thief And Gold Stealing %,and you will see more gold hits and bounties ;). Many of the bounties before were for simple rating hits on players who didnt even pvp. Now players can smash each others brains out on the ladder.Actual Competition ( most times)Not many bounty ladder hits now, Gold hits are almost always bountied ;)



I agree. Most of the bounties were from non pvpers who were randomly hit on by pvpers. There were some nice, challenging bounties on the board and I loved it.

I like the competition on the PvP ladder, but sure wish we could get the bounty board back rolling at the same time.

#7 Kontiki

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 18:06

I suspected with the new pvp change, the bounty board would die.

It has. It was 2 to 3 pages and sometimes more full of nice bounties. Now its less than half a page every time I look.

I understand the PvP reasons many wanted change. But now another area has hurt because of that change.

Could we all come up with some ideas to help bring the bounty board back to life? I'm over half way to my next medal. Now, I'm in a huge rut.

Give it some time. The previous ladder taught most players to be careful with holding gold, not because they might risk getting hit, but because they usually would get hit anyway. The bounty board isnt dead really, its more or less what it was before they introduced this ladder. We got spoiled with 3-6 pages of bounties at all times.

I agree with Bleltch, having a PvP ladder and separating it from PvP makes no sense.
Would like to see tradable/transferable rating removed and maybe replaced by a point system. Points for gold hits, completed bounties, well defended bounties, ladder challenges etc. Amount of points gained could be depended on how much gold you stole compared to you level, level difference and online targets on the BB. Challenges on the ladder could be mini-tourneys, working much like the BB, only have 5 hits each or so. If one havent been in a challenge for so so long, you could get a hourly point decay or sumtin. The ladder could still reset every 24-48 hours.

Meh. I dont know why I even bother anymore.. But I really think if you do well in PvP it should reward you by placing on a PvP ladder, and I dont think the ladder should work as a separate game.

#8 021962

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 18:30

My suggestion:

While opting in or out of the ladder is fine. Change the ladder to:

If you make a pvp hit separate from the Bounty Board, you instantly show up on the PVP ladder.

This makes the ladder a better rating tool, players can no longer hide themselves by opting out of a group of their peers. If your going to PVP, your going to have to face the ladder.

I cannot believe the amount of what I thought were real pvper's that are afraid of the ladder. :roll:

#9 Kontiki

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 18:37

My suggestion:

While opting in or out of the ladder is fine. Change the ladder to:

If you make a pvp hit separate from the Bounty Board, you instantly show up on the PVP ladder.

This makes the ladder a better rating tool, players can no longer hide themselves by opting out of a group of their peers. If your going to PVP, your going to have to face the ladder.

Agreed. I think also bounty hits should make you place on the ladder. The most challenging PvP in this game happens on the BB.

I cannot believe the amount of what I thought were real pvper's that are afraid of the ladder. :roll:

They are afraid of the ladder? :shock:

#10 Bleltch

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 19:48

I'm not afraid of the ladder, i find it extremely annoying though. I dont want any part of it. Normally what happens is i go offline, and when my buffs run out i get pecked to death. I see no point in it other than for players to farm overpriced rewards. The latest changes allow me to pvp without getting thrown into that mix. That's really the only thing good about the latest ladder changes imo. You guys want to fight it out, go ahead, leave me out of it. I'm looking forward to being able to peace again.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 20:55

All I can say is many of us figured this is how it would be, The ladder is now a joke, The BB is dead. Heck there is one range where 2 spots for tokens aren't even filled and victims are giving their RP away by simply being targets, I imagine they are even being compensated for it. The farming is its worst ever, but hey this is what we all wanted right...................

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 21:00

Tweak the Master Thief And Gold Stealing %,and you will see more gold hits and bounties ;). Many of the bounties before were for simple rating hits on players who didnt even pvp. Now players can smash each others brains out on the ladder.Actual Competition ( most times)Not many bounty ladder hits now, Gold hits are almost always bountied ;)



Do you honestly believe this? I have watched 2 ladders now and have seen no competition. simply farming is all I have seen of whoever is offline. We went from a ladder that was at least somewhat enjoyable and competitive with some people farming, to basically required farming of PvPers to place.All it has done is saved those levelers some XP, but has not added competition nor lessened the farming.

#13 Maehdros

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 21:13

Tweak the Master Thief And Gold Stealing %,and you will see more gold hits and bounties ;). Many of the bounties before were for simple rating hits on players who didnt even pvp. Now players can smash each others brains out on the ladder.Actual Competition ( most times)Not many bounty ladder hits now, Gold hits are almost always bountied ;)



Do you honestly believe this? I have watched 2 ladders now and have seen no competition. simply farming is all I have seen of whoever is offline. We went from a ladder that was at least somewhat enjoyable and competitive with some people farming, to basically required farming of PvPers to place.All it has done is saved those levelers some XP, but has not added competition nor lessened the farming.


The board has had dead spurts before the whole ladder mess was introduced.It's not the first time I've seen it dead. And in all honesty how is hitting people who most chances wont hit back, only bounty.. more fun then a ladder where its only a few players who actually hit one another?

Many haven't opted in due to the way rating is transferred.An many brackets never had ALOT of pvprs. Just Farmers. People targeting levelers seeing who could get the most rating.. then occasionally a few of them hit one another. The opt in proves that. Many wont risk XP anymore. The way the ladder is now,you can be hit, any time for xp.. farmed? drop them 5. If someone you know hits you a Bunch? Hit them back a bunch.

I remember sitting on top of the old ladders hitting as many people in range that i could for 3 or 5 rating at a time..how the heck was that FUN? Now I can fight against some old rivals,some friends.. heck people new to pvp.My old 50 level bracket, was a dead zone,at least now I know chances are someone is gonna smack me.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 22:28

Give it a few weeks for the changes to settle in - I feel the changes to the PvP Ladder are better for the game as a whole.

#15 Leos3000

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 22:38

Give it a few weeks for the changes to settle in - I feel the changes to the PvP Ladder are better for the game as a whole.


They will be better once you fix the point transfer as it is now I dont even want to try as the people on top get as many points in 1 hit as it takes me to get in 3+ hits, but overall I do like the changes

#16 moonfrost

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 22:42

Give it a few weeks for the changes to settle in - I feel the changes to the PvP Ladder are better for the game as a whole.


if you're going to keep it this way then at least make even pvp exchanges across the bracket..and change the attack player screen to once again show random targets and not just those who opted-in for the ladder

#17 Maehdros

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 23:24

We're going to be taking a look at the PvP Rating transfer amounts soon (hopefully by the end of the week) :)



Posted tuesday... Now your saying give it a few weeks? Really? :? Threads have been created suggesting the necessary tweak to rating transfer,and other minor tweaks have also been mentioned. Fix it, then move on to arena, GvG etc.Please don't do things half way.

#18 ozziepete

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 23:45

I suspected pvp ladder would see a drop off of both the ladder and BB. I think a small improvement to ladder would be as suggested earlier to include any and all pvp in ladder and to make ladder meaningfull I think there ought to be a minimum number of attacks in a band for it to count. The 900 band only awarded 3 players rewards last reset because only three partook and the same three will be the winners this round. Now if there had to be a minimum of say twenty actual attacks before the random reset could occur then either there would be three players beating each other senseless or some hitting of others and that would lead to more BB action. It is to increase the numbers on the ladder for hitting that I think any pvp should automatically go on ladder. This pretty much would ensure just pvper's were involved in the ladder and those not interested in pvp are less likely to end up being annoyed by pvp.

#19 Xainth

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 23:50

Give it a few weeks for the changes to settle in - I feel the changes to the PvP Ladder are better for the game as a whole.


What about the bounty board? It seems to have been destroyed.

There are several areas of PvP in this game.

Bounty Board

PvP Arena

PvP Ladder

And just plain old steal some gold PvP.

I've won first and third in the PvP ladder. I like it. I'm all for it.

I'm very near my silver bounty medal. I'm like 75% towards the medal. I've talked to a bunch of people in that time and learned that you learn about different setups by being active on the bounty board. It has helped me a ton. Also the PvP ladder has helped a lot also in helping me learn setups.

I can't win a PvP arena for nothing hardly. I'm learning how to do that by the bounty board and the PvP ladder.

However, I'm hoping the bounty board will jump back up again. Personally, I do not take bounties that cost me over 100 bounty tickets because of a few reasons. That is a lot of tickets to win off a player that won't be much of a challenge. The rewards of those bounties to add up to buy bounty tickets. I typically try to stay at 50 tickets or less and I LOVE 1 ticket bounties. I've cleared a bunch over my level and about 5 at end of content. That was teaching me about buffs and setups. Especially when they change gear on you !

But we need to keep the bounty board alive please. Some how, Some way

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 00:23

Give it a few weeks for the changes to settle in - I feel the changes to the PvP Ladder are better for the game as a whole.


I returned a hit to player in the ladder yesterday, who was in the first spot. My rating was 980 and his/hers was 1210.
I only received 3 rating from the hit. This could could be increased.


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