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Poll: Do you Think Wither Should Effect Severe Condition and Fortitude? (95 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you Think Wither Should Effect Severe Condition and Fortitude?

  1. Voted Yes (73 votes [76.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.84%

  2. Voted No (13 votes [13.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.68%

  3. Voted Don't care (9 votes [9.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.47%

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#21 livingsin

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 01:57

your right actually...voted yes. But only because looking at the lvl 1200 buffs coming up....yeah its gonna need a weakness...anybody else thinking about what SC will do when golden shield activates. LMFAO :wink:



told ya...even before they came out :wink:

#22 Maehdros

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 02:01

your right actually...voted yes. But only because looking at the lvl 1200 buffs coming up....yeah its gonna need a weakness...anybody else thinking about what SC will do when golden shield activates. LMFAO :wink:



told ya...even before they came out :wink:



Soon as i saw "transfers" or "doubles" I figured as much. Especially with how savagery works :) I like the new buffs tho, new things are always nice.Just cant let them be too over powered, hence wither would balance things out.

#23 livingsin

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 02:09

completely agree. Didn't at first but with the new buffs it needs a weakness and wither would do it.

#24 evilbry

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 02:12

your right actually...voted yes. But only because looking at the lvl 1200 buffs coming up....yeah its gonna need a weakness...anybody else thinking about what SC will do when golden shield activates. LMFAO :wink:



told ya...even before they came out :wink:



Soon as i saw "transfers" or "doubles" I figured as much. Especially with how savagery works :) I like the new buffs tho, new things are always nice.Just cant let them be too over powered, hence wither would balance things out.

Mr 35k HP ;)

#25 shindrak

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 02:13

I say no ..because smashing hammer can increase huge damage now enough to beat the high hp...
There's wither potion lvl 350 available all time and not that expensive which will work 70% of the time... I just think SC's makes the attacker thinks more before attack and good for offline setups !

#26 Savanc

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 09:00

I say no ..because smashing hammer can increase huge damage now enough to beat the high hp...
There's wither potion lvl 350 available all time and not that expensive which will work 70% of the time... I just think SC's makes the attacker thinks more before attack and good for offline setups !

Wither350 isn't available all the time, just a few pots per hour and sometimes in the Potion Bazaar at higher prices. Someone may of course have a potion stored in their backpack, but if someone doesn't plan to use Wither beforehand then he's probably not going to have a Wither350 pot.

Also the Wither350 pot is cheap for you, because the few 100k of gold isn't much in your opinion. I think a LOT of players disagree with you and find the pot is quite expensive. They'll more likely use a Wither buff or a Wither 150 pot (really cheap and more available than the Wither 350 pot because there's little competition on the AH for it).

By the way, Smashing Hammer is quite expensive for most players as well. Also the 26.25% extra damage it gives (on a 3-set setup) hardly makes up for the huge amounts of HP that SC can bring. :roll:

#27 shindrak

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 16:13

I say no ..because smashing hammer can increase huge damage now enough to beat the high hp...
There's wither potion lvl 350 available all time and not that expensive which will work 70% of the time... I just think SC's makes the attacker thinks more before attack and good for offline setups !

Wither350 isn't available all the time, just a few pots per hour and sometimes in the Potion Bazaar at higher prices. Someone may of course have a potion stored in their backpack, but if someone doesn't plan to use Wither beforehand then he's probably not going to have a Wither350 pot.

Also the Wither350 pot is cheap for you, because the few 100k of gold isn't much in your opinion. I think a LOT of players disagree with you and find the pot is quite expensive. They'll more likely use a Wither buff or a Wither 150 pot (really cheap and more available than the Wither 350 pot because there's little competition on the AH for it).

How much this potion cost ? 2 fsp usually expensive for who ? level 10 player? i don't think those players even will use SC buff cuz its cost like smashing hammer ;)
How come a player playing in pvp ladder making fsps from ladder tokens couldn't pay 2 fsp for potion ??
Nothing hard in this game anymore fsps available everywhere ... GVG,Arena,pvp ladder and titans... So if someone playing PvP for sure he/she will have good sets(There's many combo sets in game) why potion cost 2 fsp will be expensive for him/her?

By the way, Smashing Hammer is quite expensive for most players as well. Also the 26.25% extra damage it gives (on a 3-set setup) hardly makes up for the huge amounts of HP that SC can bring. :roll:

lol Don't forget SC decrease all stats to increase the hp while smashing hammer gives u free damage stats :wink: I think you have try play with pvp sets and buffs more to see what im saying... :roll:

#28 Maehdros

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 17:54

Shin it's easy for players to get mega attack... and stack hp. It's a win button basically against most players. Not everyone has access to the best gear. buffs they can get tho ;) If wither was made to effect SC it wouldnt be the end of the world... it would make players actually THINK about how they use SC... instead of just stacking attack damage.. and throw on SC buff ;) As with any buff that has a counter etc.. you adapt.If someone dont like all the stats being lowered so much..use a lower level SC ;)



I honestly think some players like their win button/ mega hp sets and dont want it taken away or having another weakness, im not talking trash.. just my honest opinion.

#29 shindrak

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 21:18

Shin it's easy for players to get mega attack... and stack hp. It's a win button basically against most players. Not everyone has access to the best gear. buffs they can get tho ;) If wither was made to effect SC it wouldnt be the end of the world... it would make players actually THINK about how they use SC... instead of just stacking attack damage.. and throw on SC buff ;) As with any buff that has a counter etc.. you adapt.If someone dont like all the stats being lowered so much..use a lower level SC ;)



I honestly think some players like their win button/ mega hp sets and dont want it taken away or having another weakness, im not talking trash.. just my honest opinion.


yes right, can get high attack with good stats with SC i get about 21k hp... and enough attack to beat the defense... but there's a COUNTER setup for this its not that win button unless the attacker have no idea about buffs or stats ...I want more explain about how u see it win button did u mean that 500 level player cant beat level 1000 player using SC? or in pvp bands?
if wither work on SC that's will make pvp 1 hitting , just like PvE ...

Just my opinion .. and yes not the end of the world if this happened :)

#30 DragonLord

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 01:14

Clarification please ...

"+0.25% per point of your attack, defense, damage and armor stats are transferred to your health at the start of combat.P"

Does that literally TRANSFER points from ATT/DEF/DAM/ARM in which case, as a hunting buff, I see little use for it, or is that another Hoofism, where what it really means is that it will make those %age calculations, and simply add the resulting figure onto your HP, leaving your other stats unchanged ?

#31 evilbry

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 01:27

Clarification please ...

"+0.25% per point of your attack, defense, damage and armor stats are transferred to your health at the start of combat.P"

Does that literally TRANSFER points from ATT/DEF/DAM/ARM in which case, as a hunting buff, I see little use for it, or is that another Hoofism, where what it really means is that it will make those %age calculations, and simply add the resulting figure onto your HP, leaving your other stats unchanged ?

The stats are Transferred from ATT/DEF/DAM/ARM, to HP.

It's not Really a hunting buff per say, but with Chi Strike you can actually end up with more damage than before SC ;)

#32 DragonLord

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 02:52

Clarification please ...

"+0.25% per point of your attack, defense, damage and armor stats are transferred to your health at the start of combat.P"

Does that literally TRANSFER points from ATT/DEF/DAM/ARM in which case, as a hunting buff, I see little use for it, or is that another Hoofism, where what it really means is that it will make those %age calculations, and simply add the resulting figure onto your HP, leaving your other stats unchanged ?

The stats are Transferred from ATT/DEF/DAM/ARM, to HP.

It's not Really a hunting buff per say, but with Chi Strike you can actually end up with more damage than before SC ;)


OK, thanks for that - so, it's just a case of getting the combination right :)

#33 Savanc

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 10:38

Clarification please ...

"+0.25% per point of your attack, defense, damage and armor stats are transferred to your health at the start of combat.P"

Does that literally TRANSFER points from ATT/DEF/DAM/ARM in which case, as a hunting buff, I see little use for it, or is that another Hoofism, where what it really means is that it will make those %age calculations, and simply add the resulting figure onto your HP, leaving your other stats unchanged ?

The stats are Transferred from ATT/DEF/DAM/ARM, to HP.

It's not Really a hunting buff per say, but with Chi Strike you can actually end up with more damage than before SC ;)

OK, thanks for that - so, it's just a case of getting the combination right :)

I doubt there is a decent leveling combo that gets even close to the "right" combination.

If you have a lot of attack, defense, armor and/or HP compared to damage then SC + CS can give you more damage than what you started with. But I doubt many levelers will use a setup with such amounts of attack/defense/armor.

As an example, if my setup has 10k attack, 10k defense and 4k damage then SC175 will change it to 5625 attack, 5625 defense, 2250 damage and 10500 HP. CS will add 17.5% of 10500 HP to your 2250 damage and turn it into 4088 damage.

The starting stats here are 16.67% damage and 83.33% other stats. If you had more damage compared to your other stats then you'd have ended up with less damage that what you started with.
Most hunting setups have something around 10% attack, 15% defense and 75% damage (or even more damage if you go suicide instead of defense to keep oneself safe).

If we take those numbers into an example we'll get this:
1000 attack, 1500 defense and 7500 damage will change from SC175 into 563 attack, 844 defense, 4219 damage and 4375 HP. CS175 will then raise the damage to 4985 damage.... :?


Maybe I missed some buffs (Fortitude perhaps?) that will have some effect on these examples, but I doubt the effects are that high that it will turn SC+CS into a decent leveling buff combo.
It's a nice PvP buff though. 8)

#34 RD1542

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 13:34

i believe the phrase used was hunting combo, not so much leveling, and if you don;t think there is a good hunting combo, ie a 3 or more hit creature, using SC then perhaps it is time to start thinking outside the box.

#35 Savanc

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 17:05

I know they used the word hunting buff, but leveling is one of the most common types of hunting. So I showed it probably wouldn't be a very good strategy for leveling.

The SC + CS combo might of course be useful for SE, Elite, LE or Titan hunting where there is less focus on damage and more on the other stats. :wink:

#36 Maehdros

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 17:45

This thread is about whether or not wither should effect SC and fortitude, not about if severe condition is useful as a hunting buff etc ;) On topic please.

#37 Maehdros

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 08:17

bumpy bump, since this thread seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. Heres for some more feedback over the weekend ;)

#38 Maehdros

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 23:48

I see a hoof! Bump Bump!

#39 Ryebred

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 16:23

WoW!!! how did this pass by with no HCS attention? Wither should effect Severe Condition buff.

#40 Maehdros

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 17:24

bump! it can't be too hard of a tweak. And we've seen other buffs fixed lately.Cmon hoof, work some magic ;)


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