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Poll: MAKING TAGGED GEAR BREAKABLE (138 member(s) have cast votes)

MAKING TAGGED GEAR BREAKABLE

  1. Voted YES (51 votes [36.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.96%

  2. Voted NO (87 votes [63.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.04%

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#81 centurion

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:19

just make all crystalline item gets max of UB175 no matter what the UB being cast. that should be easy to code and make it fair while making it disposable.

#82 KitiaraLi

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:19

aaah the voice of the banned n dooomed;

Shardoom says: I like the idea of UB200 not working on guild tagged gear, not only would it allow for a shorter lifespan on gear that wasn't meant to last forever, it would also have the potential of ACTUALLY getting people to get their own gear once again. Instead of simply joining a guild that provides everything for them... :S

No one can deny that we changed this game and influenced it in such a way that NO ONE could compete with us.. so much so that they changed the rules. ~Abhorrence, chosen founder of Cerulean Sins


#83 Sendicard

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:20

Personally. I would like to say no. As it certainly wouldn't benefit me as a guild master.

However. If I forget emotions and use logic. YES Is the better choice.

I voted yes on the pole too. HOWEVER. I highly doubt most people will forget emotions and use logic. The pole will say no. The best choice however Is YES.

This means that you should forget about the pole and just do it. The pole will state the wrong choice.

#84 boeffie

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:23

I voted yes, and I would prefer to not have any UB over 190, simply stop distil working on it.

Distil will be sold for all other buffs, and really, I wonder how many of you look at the time it takes to wear out an item, even using 175.

Octo, and Volker's amulet are items that get used a very long time, even when UB was at 175, they lasted pretty nicely. We have used them always, for everyone, we do insist on players using UB175 at least, and preferably 190, but they certainly can't all afford Distil, but even so, it is not as if we had to replace them every other week.

Events are nice, nearly all of my players that were online during it FIRST thing they asked; does guild need any. Keeping an extra set for guild to wear out until the next event is really not an issue, and if needed we will still FF them.

My own Volkers set i never upgraded, stat gains being what they are, I wear it offline quite a bit too, as I forget to change very often, and I am on my second personal set, using it for over 350 levels, with UB running out during hunts, titaning, forgetting to take it off during scavenging, getting hit in pvp, what have you.

I do understand the scepticism people express when seeing a major merchant promoting this idea though. Farming the crap out of any chomper event when having a 1k BP, then waiting even 1 or 2 months to sell the items, will still be more beneficial to those than to small guys who farm for a little immediate gain, as the items will be of low value for most of the time, and will be using up valuable BP space for smaller players.

Still, I think the overall benefit will be high enough to not throw it out the door because some might profit a bit more than others. This will always be the case, regardless.

#85 douglasj

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:28

Personally. I would like to say no. As it certainly wouldn't benefit me as a guild master.

However. If I forget emotions and use logic. YES Is the better choice.

I voted yes on the pole too. HOWEVER. I highly doubt most people will forget emotions and use logic. The pole will say no. The best choice however Is YES.

What?

#86 boeffie

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:31

As an aside, making this an in-game Poll, is a pretty bad idea, and i think as it stands now, the voting reflects it. (79% NO)

Most will vote first (oh hell, they're taking something away from us), then maybe start thinking about it.

#87 hades8840

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:34

As an aside, making this an in-game Poll, is a pretty bad idea, and i think as it stands now, the voting reflects it. (79% NO)

Most will vote first (oh hell, they're taking something away from us), then maybe start thinking about it.



polls never serve a purpose unless ppl gain if they feel they are losing something they will always vote against it as most ppl only see what effects them not what happens to the whole game ..that and switching on ur multis to vote dont help as no doubt happens with most polls

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:35

i had to vote against it, mostly because of current availability and prices of volkers set.

IF volkers became more easily available and we could count on spine events to keep a steady supply of spine sets, i'd consider changing my vote to yes to make things more interesting.

#89 Perryp

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:37

Personally. I would like to say no. As it certainly wouldn't benefit me as a guild master.

However. If I forget emotions and use logic. YES Is the better choice.

I voted yes on the pole too. HOWEVER. I highly doubt most people will forget emotions and use logic. The pole will say no. The best choice however Is YES.

What?


I thought it made perfect sense.
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#90 WWWolf

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:38

I wouldn't agree with making UB completely useless for crystalline gear but perhaps reduce its effectiveness by say about half. And I also agree that if you make this just for tagged crystalline, it won't stop players from untagging the gear and continuing to do the same as they have. This should be across the board for ALL crystalline gear.

As it is, I will vote yes in the poll though I don't think the poll is asking the right question...

#91 fs_dougmines

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:39

they chose to use the in game poll system to allow all to have some input versus relying solely on forum trolls to decide the fate of the proposed change. They logic is sound, only the proposal is not. Who is going to knowingly vote affirmatively for something that takes away from them???not I nor any I would think

#92 Tazarian

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:42

Okay, the idea was presented to us by a former mass merchant (to me, don't give a dang....you could be the pope for all I care). It was also presented to the community in the wrong fashion. Think of it this way HCS (the next time you get an idea that will immediately generate such a negative opinion from knee jerk reactions):

A steak dinner looks better served on a plate then a garbage can lid.

You just served up a good idea on a freaking garbage can lid. Nothing more, nothing less.

So, that aside.......

Distel not effecting UB pots altogether. However, UB190 pots would take a rise (yet another sink). Distel would still be bought (for many other reasons it is used for).

Keep in mind that people evolve slowly, their mindset even slower. Same effect when you try to evolve the game, the mindset of the player takes time to adjust to things.

#93 cleverdave

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:45

i had to vote against it, mostly because of current availability and prices of volkers set.

IF volkers became more easily available and we could count on spine events to keep a steady supply of spine sets, i'd consider changing my vote to yes to make things more interesting.


Same here ive just brought a new volkers set for my self and dont want it get wrecked after spending close to 200 fsp for it

#94 laserlars

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:47

Doesnt seem consistent that guild gear should behave differently from non-guild gear.

Instead i would suggest a buff (similar to cursed rune) that e.g. increase your gold or xp gain by 10%, but lower your ub.

If you really want to see some degrading, turn smashing hammer into cursed hammer.

#95 douglasj

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:49

they chose to use the in game poll system to allow all to have some input versus relying solely on forum trolls to decide the fate of the proposed change.

Aposed from what level 1 that play the game for 10 minutes clicking every button possible. Happen to be most of these 'forum trolls' are level 1000+

I know that newbies are the key to fallensword through their donations but there are countless others that dont even gain 1 xp

#96 Tazarian

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:50

Another good point. You are looking at it from the Chompers point of view....what about the longterm Volkers set folks will need to use?

Very pricey....Volkers is sort of like the Destroyer set of the L700ish range....you wear it forever.

Do you have a replacement set in Chompers for it if this goes threw? Even at that, most people have a Volkers set and have FFed it....they will not be too happy on the rules changing too fast.

Like it was mentioned before, just have Distel not work and, items will still last a longtime.....kill the UB200 pot altogether and, that will save everyone.

Just put new Legendary creatures (or something like the Quango event) back into play.

#97 SaveMeGrim

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:53

I think most of these points will have been made before, but:

1 - Ignore the results of the poll. The vast majority of people will vote NO, simply to keep from spending gold on repairs/fsp on replacement spine.

2 - If you change it for guild tagged gear, then you should change it for all gear. Guild gear is just ordinary gear that is shared.

3 - Don't worry if it will sink more gold than distil 50 (although I think most players who use distil 50 + ub190 to save durability would still use it for ew pots etc)

4 - Please do not introduce this change right away - have another spine event just before it is introduced and make sure that people know that it is coming. Otherwise you will be practically robbing the poor to pay the rich. I say this because you will now have people who were unable to hoard spine gear will have to buy the gear from the hoarders. Sorry to point the finger at the OP. The suggestion is a good one, but the timing of the suggestion reeks of profiteering.

#98 boeffie

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:53

they chose to use the in game poll system to allow all to have some input versus relying solely on forum trolls to decide the fate of the proposed change. They logic is sound, only the proposal is not. Who is going to knowingly vote affirmatively for something that takes away from them???not I nor any I would think


Short time thinking usually does do that, immediate loss against longer term benefit, is why a lot of things don't work generally, if you have to educate people, i.e. make them read up about stuff and then forming an opinion, be it then for or against.

Also, I wonder about your calling yourself a forum troll?

#99 douglasj

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:54

Volkers will not be as pricey if this idea get implemented. Like Biggrim said if an item is running low then they make an LE event. Just that spines last for ever now so thats why they are rarely in LE events. So if all volkers run out straight away then HCS will make another ledgendary event to replenish them.

#100 hades8840

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:55

as its been said already even with ub175 crystaline lasted along time b4 it was distroyed my oct set lasted god knows how long and after i had finshed with it i sold it on and thats with ub197 ub190 would streach that further yes volker is now expensive and yes i agree it should be a chomper that is realm based also as it used to be a arena only set so was very limited on its amount


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