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#21 Maehdros

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:28

BEST solution is make the new gear bound and adjust brackets to make them more competitive. Bring PvP back to what it was BEFORE it was only for profit. I don't care how much it costs someone to play, profit should NOT be the reason.



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New type of pvp scoreboard with bound items anyone?

#22 fs_scrogger

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 18:28

I would hate to see all these soft PvP wannabe's who have sat and traded back and forth wins be able to profit and effectively destroy all the gear the minute it is released, BEST solution is make the new gear bound and adjust brackets to make them more competitive. Bring PvP back to what it was BEFORE it was only for profit. I don't care how much it costs someone to play, profit should NOT be the reason.


Sounds like you are really saying:
"I would hate to see people who play the game in a manner that is not how I think it should be played taking all the profit and status out of how I choose to play. The best solution is to change PvP -- again! -- so that my way is the most succesful way, and reduce competition from new players by making sure only established players can have the best PvP items. And even though I complain that the proft from selling PvP gear has been eliminated by the people who play in a way other than I do, at the same time, I don't PvP for profit, nope, not a bit, never, so let's make it so that those other people can't make a profit anymore."
Feel free to explain where I have misinterpretted what you said.



This coming from a person that condoned the action's of known cheaters on the titan field saying "everyone was doing it and HCS never said they couldn't", even though the TOS states that exploiting known bugs is a bannable offense?

The only Profit I have made from PvP is gold hits and lots of them, I have made all my own gear except one set that I BOUGHT with fsp I earned farming. I have tokens I have not even used saved as I can't see anything worth making until I need a nuryns set. Additionally Mr. Dog, if you knew me you would see that I have argued against the ladder from the start, 1st I didn't want the rewards at all and only wanted a change to the ladder to remove the players who didnt even PvP and traded points at the top of all level ranges ie. High level players that sat at the top of the PvP ladder but were solely levelers and yet they had 1000s of rating. 2nd I argued after I lost about the gear to have them all BOUND from the start, they were meant as a reward for a player dominating in the aspect of the game they played (now we have people who sit in bands, never make a hit and gain tokens, heck a lot of them even bounty when they are hit and opted in! These players are getting rewarded for absolutely nothing). 3rd I warned that the ladders would be the downfall of PvP and alas they have been. Before you start running your mouth maybe you should educate yourself a bit. You don't partake in this aspect of the game so move along.

#23 watagashi

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 19:40

Since its pretty obvious the small group with nothing better to do but try and push their agenda on any thread vagely assoiated with pvp congratulations! you totally derailed this thread.

as a currently-non pvper i am failing to understand why more pvp gear is wanted.. surely with all the items in the game there is enough for pvpers without the need to add yet more stuff


Didnt you announce you had quit in the thread where you cried about not being able to get ahead in this game without donating? Doing the pvp ladder IS a way for a player to exchange hard work for FSP pretty much why those who fail at it are upset over it. you said it yourself,,

as a currently-non pvper i am failing


Ryebread, we all saw your post about new tokens is it really that hard to accept that HCS ASKED for suggestions for new gear? Obviously they think its working fine and even if they dont then they will change it then. I posted several constructive suggestions in your thread on that topic. how about at least adding your suggestions for new gear? That was the intent of THIS thread

I don't care how much it costs someone to play, profit should NOT be the reason.

LoL, good luck with that. It's like telling people to buy Maxim for their excellent movie review, not for their wet sexy woman wearing rags and scraps pictures. :lol:


+1 As I have said before untill titan drops are bound, SE/LE/elite and regular creature drops are bound, potions are bound and arena wins are bound nobody has any right to cry about another aspect of the game simply because they arent making a profit there,,,and in the end thats what it boils down to isnt it? Billy has a shinier helmet than me so im going to take the football and go home.

Sounds like you are really saying:
"I would hate to see people who play the game in a manner that is not how I think it should be played taking all the profit and status out of how I choose to play. The best solution is to change PvP -- again! -- so that my way is the most succesful way, and reduce competition from new players by making sure only established players can have the best PvP items. And even though I complain that the proft from selling PvP gear has been eliminated by the people who play in a way other than I do, at the same time, I don't PvP for profit, nope, not a bit, never, so let's make it so that those other people can't make a profit anymore."
Feel free to explain where I have misinterpretted what you said.


*thunderous applause* exactly! +1000!!

Additionally Mr. Dog, if you knew me you would see that I have argued against the ladder from the start,


Ummm which Mr Dog were you talking to bro? I was against the ladder from the start, I didnt agree with many changes but in the end I accepted the changes the cows made and evolved to them. Ripple and I have NEVER opted out of PvP We enjoy the challenge! Do we think its perfect? NO! Is it much less of a challenge with the pathetic participation? Hell yes! Will we quit of ask they take the fun away from others because we dont like the way its going? Of course not! As I have said before NO OTHER aspect of the game has had so many changes and obstacles put on it. There are NO other recipes with a level restriction, there are NO restrictions to arena prizes or ANY level restrictions to the recipes that use arena prizes. There is NO restriction to guild level to titan hunt.

This thread was intended to be there for suggestions for the new gear that has been announced WILL HAPPEN,,deal with it! It was supposed to be a chance for players both pvp and non to post ideas for gear that is needed in all levels for whatever reason, leveling, pvp, the fact that armor dominates some areas and defensive others and there would be nothing wrong with mixing it up again. Congratulations on totally derailing this topic! Do all of you secretly donate every piece of gold of FSP you come across to some poor nondonating player or is it just that you are upset that your profits arent enough for you? Or maybe its just not easy enough for you.

Is it really that much to ask the players of FS to actually keep on topic here?

#24 fs_scrogger

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 20:25

+1 As I have said before untill titan drops are bound, SE/LE/elite and regular creature drops are bound, potions are bound and arena wins are bound nobody has any right to cry about another aspect of the game simply because they arent making a profit there,,,and in the end thats what it boils down to isnt it? Billy has a shinier helmet than me so im going to take the football and go home.

Additionally Mr. Dog, if you knew me you would see that I have argued against the ladder from the start,


Ummm which Mr Dog were you talking to bro? I was against the ladder from the start, I didnt agree with many changes but in the end I accepted the changes the cows made and evolved to them. Ripple and I have NEVER opted out of PvP We enjoy the challenge! Do we think its perfect? NO! Is it much less of a challenge with the pathetic participation? Hell yes! Will we quit of ask they take the fun away from others because we dont like the way its going? Of course not! As I have said before NO OTHER aspect of the game has had so many changes and obstacles put on it. There are NO other recipes with a level restriction, there are NO restrictions to arena prizes or ANY level restrictions to the recipes that use arena prizes. There is NO restriction to guild level to titan hunt.

This thread was intended to be there for suggestions for the new gear that has been announced WILL HAPPEN,,deal with it! It was supposed to be a chance for players both pvp and non to post ideas for gear that is needed in all levels for whatever reason, leveling, pvp, the fact that armor dominates some areas and defensive others and there would be nothing wrong with mixing it up again. Congratulations on totally derailing this topic! Do all of you secretly donate every piece of gold of FSP you come across to some poor nondonating player or is it just that you are upset that your profits arent enough for you? Or maybe its just not easy enough for you.

Is it really that much to ask the players of FS to actually keep on topic here?


It's pretty simple to read and understand quotes when reading a post, you could have easily figured out that post was not directed towards you.


I also think debating whether gear should be bound or even made at all is on topic, Personally I don't want new gear at all! All it is going to is break more parts of the game and be more overpowered than what we have now. Profiteers killed what was left of PvP after the cows killed it to start, sorry your on the wrong side.

#25 watagashi

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 20:43

Wow im sorry I wasnt aware i was on the "wrong" side.

#26 KitiaraLi

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 03:31

One could argue that there is no wrong, nor right side - but it will be hard, since there are those who will fight for the "ways of old" and those, who have found profit in the "ways of new" and for that reason, will fight for that to stay.

The issue with the Ladder, is .... simple really.
Had it not been called the PvP Ladder from the getgo, it would have caused far less anger from those, who actually PvPed b4 it came about.

As long as any aspect of the game is named anything with PvP in it, and the main reason for ppl partaking in that aspect of the game is profit, there will be ppl complaining, loudly.

As anything else, poorly designed, filled with bugs n exploits from the start, it is bound to upset those, who hate cheater and abusers - and those who get upset they didn't exploit it first of course.

aaand finally, I'll see if I can help getting the thread back to what it's supposed to be about by pointing towards this (which has a lotta good suggestions) -> viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103954

and quote myself from it as well (always wanted to do that)

Stick with 2 piece sets. These are meant as PVP sets, hence not only rewards for pvp, but also mainly useful for pvpers - and we all work our rears off to get as many sets as possible stacked, simply to get as much bonus outta buffs (aka optimizing gear to what sometimes appear extreme).

I'd also like to see the cows actually check what the items would stack with, b4 they add 'em to the game (just make the spreadsheet for future use already). Would hate to see the sets clash with the setups it would work perfectly in/with, only to realize that once again the weapon slot is a favored one.

I would for once like to see some very high end att/def gear... VERY high end. As stated in a million threads on just as many subjects, def is almost obsolete... it is simply too easy to muster more attack. Having a set or two with high attack AND high def, could help sort that. Oh, and pls add stuff for the higher lvls - the ladders get thinner and thinner, and less n less active the higher the lvl. More high lvl and high end gear may help this.. at least a little.

Oh, and +1 for the pots. But, make sure they are worth the tokens, and not stuff like cloak 40 for 90 mins ... as Maeh suggested, make 'em long lasting - oh and do add 'em to the unbreakable list.


No one can deny that we changed this game and influenced it in such a way that NO ONE could compete with us.. so much so that they changed the rules. ~Abhorrence, chosen founder of Cerulean Sins


#27 fs_chibibucky

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 06:10

as far as i can tell the PvP sets under about 900 or so have gone as far as they really can go. you want defense armor or attack you can get find it.. very easily. anything that would be added would only be better versions of existing sets with tiny differences (the dusk set just for an example, not saying i dont love this set but its a copy of nuryns). as it stands their are only 2 types i would like to see.

1. armor and defense mixed sets at high level. we have a lot of these at low levels and then they stopped being made. i would like to have 4K in armor and defense instead of 8K in one of the other and be able to shift the back and forth as i liked.

2. sets that are STRICTLY HP based. yes we have armor and defense sets that give HP but thats what they are. armor and defense sets that give HP. if i could score a set that gives as much HP as i could get in other stats or even close it would be something i would feel like chasing after.

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 09:50

as far as i can tell the PvP sets under about 900 or so have gone as far as they really can go. you want defense armor or attack you can get find it.. very easily. anything that would be added would only be better versions of existing sets with tiny differences (the dusk set just for an example, not saying i dont love this set but its a copy of nuryns). as it stands their are only 2 types i would like to see.

1. armor and defense mixed sets at high level. we have a lot of these at low levels and then they stopped being made. i would like to have 4K in armor and defense instead of 8K in one of the other and be able to shift the back and forth as i liked.

2. sets that are STRICTLY HP based. yes we have armor and defense sets that give HP but thats what they are. armor and defense sets that give HP. if i could score a set that gives as much HP as i could get in other stats or even close it would be something i would feel like chasing after.



Mixed sets are useless at high levels with the new buffs available.Keen edge and smashing hammer give even average set ups.. mega attack and damage, whats needed it for the cows to stop releasing over powered MOAR damage and MOAR attack buffs and gear.It's basically impossible to cover high attack these days, especially in the higher ranges. Dc225 or 237 with distill makes defense even more useless against a buffed opponent.No thinking involved, just go attack damage and some armor and swing away. Some new defense gear would change that.

As for some new hp gear, severe condition basically destroyed the value and usefullness in them.Remember,WITHER effects the HP on equipped gear and effects base hp.However it does NOTeffect SC.Even a low level sc can give much more hp then any pvp gear could, and it gains hp from buff activations like savagery, golden shield and high guard. This kills pvp gear with hp on it ;)



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