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#1 watagashi

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 16:20

I have a problem and perhaps the player community has advice or perhaps something Ive missed. I notice many times on the SE kill log a player will get mutiple kills minutes apart in different areas such as this,,(name changed to player to keep from bringing "unwanted attention")

Date Creature Slayer Details Drop Info

26/Aug/2011
07:34
Malphas the Destroyer (Super Elite)
player
Theotis (North)
(10, 9)

26/Aug/2011
07:29
Malphas the Destroyer (Super Elite)
player
Dunale (South)
(14, 4)

26/Aug/2011
07:24
Malphas the Destroyer (Super Elite)
player
Hallows Caves (Level 2)
(8, 16) [no drop]

26/Aug/2011
07:21
Malphas the Destroyer (Super Elite)
player
Aldmar Swamps (South)
(11, 13) [no drop]

26/Aug/2011
07:17
Malphas the Destroyer (Super Elite)
player
Theotis (North)
(3, 5) [no drop]

SO,,,in 15min this one player got 5 of the same SE?????
How about this?


03/Sep/2011
15:36
Xinderoth (Super Elite)
player
Palace of Xinderoth
(10, 16) [no drop]

03/Sep/2011
15:34
Lishka the Darkwater Hag (Super Elite)
player
Dark Atholhu (Mount East)
(12, 6) [no drop]

03/Sep/2011
15:32
Lishka the Darkwater Hag (Super Elite)
player
Dark Atholhu (Mount North)
(7, 7) [no drop]

03/Sep/2011
15:31
Lishka the Darkwater Hag (Super Elite)
player
Dark Atholhu (Mount West)
(1, 1) [no drop]

This player went from West to North in ONE MINUTE?????

I have asked around and even put in a ticket, I was told it didnt appear any script or other cheats was used but it was passed to the coders. Some replys I have gotten from players include.

Fast connection,,,I admit my home connection sux but at work I have ok speed and still see no way to be moving between these places that fast, much less knowing which one and where to go.

Seekers or other players helping to look,,,so someone found it, messaged that hunter and they got there in 1 min???

Autowalk or titan walk or whatever ya want to call it,,,OK that makes you walk faster but does it also tell you which realm to look in??

The SEs spawn in a predictable pattern,,,i smell BS there its supposed to be random and no patterns to a SE

Auto kill,,you walk over a SE and it auto kills it,,,ok so how did you know which realm to look in??

Seems pretty screwy to me so im asking here if theres some approved script thats telling you a SE spawned, Telling you which realm, telling you where or some way to cut corners to make one of the above steps obsolete id sure like to know and use it too!

Has SE hunting now become like titan hunting and unless you know a script writer you may as well forget it??

#2 Maehdros

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 16:33

Judging from a kill on the SE log, and a time stamp you've posted here. This is an Ally of yours O_o and they have you as ally. Weird that your posting a thread with their kills.

#3 watagashi

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 16:43

I dont care if its my mother if its a approved way to get SEs faster id like to know it too if not then they should not have been using it.
And thanks for bringing unwanted attention to that player,,heres your sign

http://t2.gstatic.co...yg02QJLrenFp_Ga

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 16:48

I dont care if its my mother if its a approved way to get SEs faster id like to know it too if not then they should not have been using it.
And thanks for bringing unwanted attention to that player,,heres your sign

http://t2.gstatic.co...yg02QJLrenFp_Ga




LOL my point is, ASK "said player" how they hunted the SE instead of posting a thread with their kills in it ;) Might get a faster answer that way huh? ( being your friend and all)

Making an observation, isn't trolling. 8)

#5 watagashi

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:02

I have spoken to several players who show up on the SE log in a shorter time than seems realistic and im told things like its a fast connection, they have a pattern or help seeking, All these reasons dont add up to the main facts.
They are moving extremely fast to be checking each tile
They have some kind of ESP to go to the right area
And walk directly to the SE as if they knew exactly which tile it was on already.

The thing thats been concerning me most and reason ive shed light on it here in forum for all to see is its becoming a thing like when I asked players how they move so fast and kill so many titans, I got similar replys such as being lucky and having a fast connection but as its been found that was just a cover up to protect a monopoly and their own intrests.

If there is an APPROVED way thats being used to do this then by all means share with the rest of us and clear the suspicion.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:07

If there is an APPROVED way thats being used to do this then by all means share with the rest of us and clear the suspicion.


Why so they can lose out? If they have something that is approved, then it is not in their best interest to reveal it to the rest of us.

And I don't think you realize how fast some peoples hand-eye-coordination and their internet connections are, when I had my old internet connection I could clear a map in under 5 minutes, and that is nothing compared to how fast some people are.

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#7 sweetlou

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:08

heres your sign

http://t2.gstatic.co...yg02QJLrenFp_Ga

Cheaters suck! And I think it's always good to be a skeptic but then you jump on a player for giving you his opinion by calling him a troll. WTG... I certainly don't want to help you now. Figure it out yourself, grump.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:11

heres your sign

http://t2.gstatic.co...yg02QJLrenFp_Ga

Cheaters suck! And I think it's always good to be a skeptic but then you jump on a player for giving you his opinion by calling him a troll. WTG... I certainly don't want to help you now. Figure it out yourself, grump.


Wasn't it you that did the same to me?

Do you have any idea if the accesed the algoritmes FS uses? Maybe hacked their servers?

#9 watagashi

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:15

If there is an APPROVED way thats being used to do this then by all means share with the rest of us and clear the suspicion.


Why so they can lose out? If they have something that is approved, then it is not in their best interest to reveal it to the rest of us.

And I don't think you realize how fast some peoples hand-eye-coordination and their internet connections are, when I had my old internet connection I could clear a map in under 5 minutes, and that is nothing compared to how fast some people are.


Then HCS should be listing the approved scripts,,,its supposed to be a level playing field not a small minority using something they had secretly approved to play better or faster than the others. As I said earlier this is what ruined titans

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:17

heres your sign

http://t2.gstatic.co...yg02QJLrenFp_Ga

Cheaters suck! And I think it's always good to be a skeptic but then you jump on a player for giving you his opinion by calling him a troll. WTG... I certainly don't want to help you now. Figure it out yourself, grump.


That player in particular sees fit to post on anything I bring up and always the opposite opinion if not a blatant attempt to derail the post. My next suggestion is for a OP to block players who are trolling their threads

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:18

If there is an APPROVED way thats being used to do this then by all means share with the rest of us and clear the suspicion.


Why so they can lose out? If they have something that is approved, then it is not in their best interest to reveal it to the rest of us.

And I don't think you realize how fast some peoples hand-eye-coordination and their internet connections are, when I had my old internet connection I could clear a map in under 5 minutes, and that is nothing compared to how fast some people are.


Then HCS should be listing the approved scripts,,,its supposed to be a level playing field not a small minority using something they had secretly approved to play better or faster than the others. As I said earlier this is what ruined titans


The HCS will never aprove scripts that show you the location of chest/SE. They are to be found by luck, you have elites to hunt if you want to know were they are.

#12 watagashi

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:20

Soooo, how are they being found that fast? Always going to the correct realm it spawned in? Something very fishy there.
With that kind of luck id be playing the lottery instead of FS

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:24

their internet connections

There is your reason right there... that and knowing where to look after no one has killed them after many hours or days since SEs have been worthless for a long time. Whoever promised you a level playing field? Nothing works like that.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:26

I don't think it's that hard getting 5 in 15 minutes if you're a bit lucky with the spawns and aim for the easier ones. And I don't have that fast of a connection.

5 Malpha is a bit crazy though.

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:29

Always going to the correct realm it spawned in?


not sure if you know, but its not uncommon for SEs to spawn in all of their areas. so for instance, if i swept for vexus right now, i would kill one in every realm regardless of the order i swept because there is one spawned in each realm

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:31

I don't think it's that hard getting 5 in 15 minutes if you're a bit lucky with the spawns and aim for the easier ones. And I don't have that fast of a connection.

5 Malpha is a bit crazy though.


Indeed with some luck and fastinternet it should be possible, if you just look to how meny realms they spawn.

For example: Malphas the Destroyer (Super Elite)
spawn locations:
• Aldmar Swamps (South)
• Dunale (South)
• Hallows Caves (Level 2)
• Theotis (North)

4 that aint much if they arent those big realms of xinderoth (or others) it is indeed possible to find them in 5 min providing that you can clear one realm in 2 mins.

#17 watagashi

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:33

its not net connection, that could explain the fast movement but not the luck of going to the correct realm each time. There would be spaces in between where other realms were checked. As I said before home connection sux but at work I can clear a area in minutes,,,connection and speed are one thing but the luck to guess the exact area is bordering on the absurd.

HCS has stated many times in many different ways they will not give a win key or treat one player differently than another regardless of time in game, donator status or other reason. So yes I expect a level playing field.

i have found 3 vex in a short span before, one on the way to another that was found for me and the 3rd on the way to a portal out. This is not impossable but not something that happens daily!

The example made with Malph is a very good one, yes there are only 4 areas and you should be able to clear an area in 2min with a fast connection, what im trying to point out and seems to be missed is there would be more variety in the times showing that the player didnt go directly to the area it was in. That is what I am finding suspicious the time shows he went directly to the correct area and even more right after the last kill he stopped using stam and it wasnt found again for a couple hours.

Somehow they KNOW its out there, possably where it is and are going directly to it!

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:38

This is not impossable but not something that happens daily!


wrong...it doesnt take much talent to do it daily. very possible

#19 Maehdros

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 17:51

I've watched the SE logs for dreadlords kills, and if I haven't seen any for a while I scout. Sometimes.. i find one (which is lame) other times I find 3 of them rather quickly ( could be on an entrance for 2 of them, and walk around for another)


Is it odd to see so many fast kills? Kinda.My guess is they have someone scouting for them in most cases, or have a hella fast connection. Add in some random luck. And bingo. Owning the SE board.


Certain SE can often have fast times consecutively.. dreadlord, lishka, vexus to name a few. close maps to one another. The Destroyer one you showed, is kinda O.o.

#20 watagashi

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 18:04

I've watched the SE logs for dreadlords kills, and if I haven't seen any for a while I scout. Sometimes.. i find one (which is lame) other times I find 3 of them rather quickly ( could be on an entrance for 2 of them, and walk around for another)


Is it odd to see so many fast kills? Kinda.My guess is they have someone scouting for them in most cases, or have a hella fast connection. Add in some random luck. And bingo. Owning the SE board.


Certain SE can often have fast times consecutively.. dreadlord, lishka, vexus to name a few. close maps to one another. The Destroyer one you showed, is kinda O.o.


Thanks you for those good points :) And yes some SEs that are not as popular can stack up or ones in a close set of areas,,,like the hag. I have spoken to several SE hunters including an ally of mine and I do believe that some are just luck and a fast connection. I also believe some are not. I have been watching for quite some time and the 2 examples are just the 2 most recent one from today and one from the ticket I mentioned. Ill be watching for more.
The most suspicious one (and I totally wish I screenshoted that one!) was just after NB came out, 4 kills in 15min while a crowd of players were looking for it too....that was pretty far out there for just luck. I confirmed that player was NOT buying or having others look for him. Of course that could have been a lie but pretty unbelieveable.


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