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Official Suggestion : PvP Improvements (rev. 4)


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#321 abhorrence

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:32

. That a PvPer doesn't mind losing experience doesn't make it any less of a penalty.

Yes, it does. The extent to which depriving someone of something is a penalty depends entirely on how much they care about it. Take all the Rating you like from me, I don't care, so it's not a penalty. So when a PvPer says he doesn't care about losing XP, I'd say it isn't a penalty.

As HikerBean once told me, she viewed re-leveling as an opportunity to contribute more gold and XP to her guild, so she didn't mind it at all. And like any smart PvPer she parked herself in a Realm where it would be easy to do. Bountying her didn't penalize her one bit. She was a great BH but she's gone now (183 days inactive). :(


Nope, you are confusing personal feelings with the actual event. The punishment is missing experience. The only solution is to gain it back. Just because I can look at an aspect of the game and dull my feelings about it doesn't mean I lose any less experience and it doesn't make it any easier to gain back.

#322 Zenth

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:33

If you want a ACTIVE Bounty Board Let the VICTIMS chose the amount of stamina required for each hit. You should not have to put your friends in harms ways to get your justice. Its all good if you have a bunch of friends that like to PvP and bounty Hunt but when you don't have those types of players on your side the bounty Board does nothing for you. This would also solve the problem of the quick soft clears keeping the gold thief safe.

Yes 100 stam Bounties would be high risk but is the chose of the BH to accept that bounty or not.

It should not be enjoyable to be on the Bounty Board EVER.

Those that say the enjoy Dancing on the board just prove what a joke it is.

#323 paingwin

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:34

lets see how many times we have to vote before it gets so bothersome yes wins :roll: why not get better security against hacks or start cracking down on thieves so they dont prosper or even fixing bugs in vidoes getting exploited by some and not able to by others never seen that in a post or even how about stopping censorship of bios that arent offensive when u allow avis of almost any kind i ve seen numerous flipping the bird in avis hows that not offensive to some when a bare ass isnt lmaO

if its offensive to you REPORT IT, thats how stuff gets banned, is if it is reported and deemed by the devs to be offensive.

#324 abhorrence

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:36

If you want a ACTIVE Bounty Board Let the VICTIMS chose the amount of stamina required for each hit. You should not have to put your friends in harms ways to get your justice. Its all good if you have a bunch of friends that like to PvP and bounty Hunt but when you don't have those types of players on your side the bounty Board does nothing for you. This would also solve the problem of the quick soft clears keeping the gold thief safe.

Yes 100 stam Bounties would be high risk but is the chose of the BH to accept that bounty or not.

It should not be enjoyable to be on the Bounty Board EVER.

Those that say the enjoy Dancing on the board just prove what a joke it is.


Why should it be mandatory to lose 1 level, 2 levels, or more for 1 pvp hit?

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:37

will never happen i ve reported cheats and thieves to hardly any purpose wasted my time already have at em, wont waste my time any more on any of that

#326 BaiLong

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:39

PvP = Player vs. Player

If Player 1 wants nothing to do with it yet is still forced into it, it may as well just be player vs. monkey.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:41

And if Maehdros says he doesn't care about losing XP, who are you to call him a liar?


If he cares about it or not doesn't make it any easier for him to gain back. The punishment is lost experience. The cost to gain it back is the same whether I care about it or not.

#328 abhorrence

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:42

PvP = Player vs. Player

If Player 1 wants nothing to do with it yet is still forced into it, it may as well just be player vs. monkey.

I don't consider you a monkey.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:42

PvP = Player vs. Player

If Player 1 wants nothing to do with it yet is still forced into it, it may as well just be player vs. monkey.

I don't consider you a monkey.


You best reconsider lol :D

#330 Mekrushu

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:44


this was explained by both me a maehdros earlier in the thread. the EXP loss suffered during pvp is the games balance to ensure not every leveler reaches end of content too quickly thus leaving them with nothing to do, stagnating, and quitting due to lack of content. pvp is a necessary evil in the game, and has been since the game was created. yet it has only recently become an issue.


Never realized you were doing me a favor, thanks for clearing that up for me.


Im perfectly capable of losing my own xp thanks! Example: I titan hunt and fail...I lose xp. I solo SE hunt and fail...I lose xp. I Elite hunt and fail...I lose xp! LOL

Try for starters, changing the BB...if you hit the same player that bountied you, while you are on the BB, you can be bountied again immediately OR you can not hit the same player again until your bounty has cleared. This prevents the pvper from wanting to sit on the BB for endless hours, taking advantage of that loophole OR fills up the (now dead) BB. Why should pvpers be able to hit anyone repeatedly while being punished and only be allowed to be punished once? This has never made sense to me... :?

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#331 paingwin

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:45

One change that might help the BB is to let every BH that does a succesful hit on the target get a share of the bounty, just like Titan hunting. Right now, as soon as the XP-Available on a bounty chnages from xxxx00 or xx50, everyone knows that someone else has taken it, so no one else joins. If people could get a share of the bounty even if they only did a few succesful hits, there would be more and bigger bounties.

Winner-take-all was a major flaw in Titan hunting. Maybe it's a flaw on the BB too.

well maybe they shouldnt show the available exp left to lose? then more people might jump on bounties?

#332 abhorrence

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:46

One change that might help the BB is to let every BH that does a succesful hit on the target get a share of the bounty, just like Titan hunting. Right now, as soon as the XP-Available on a bounty chnages from xxxx00 or xx50, everyone knows that someone else has taken it, so no one else joins. If people could get a share of the bounty even if they only did a few succesful hits, there would be more and bigger bounties.


A blatant attempt to over punish people on the BB by enticing multiple people to hit them and split a reward. If you can't even be semi objective then your opinions will continue to look so incredibly skewed that your ideas will continue to have no validity.

#333 BaiLong

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:50

If you can't even be semi objective then your opinions will continue to look so incredibly skewed that your ideas will continue to have no validity.


Are you seriously trying to play this like you are being the objective one? Laughable at best.

#334 RebornJedi

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:51

If you want a ACTIVE Bounty Board Let the VICTIMS chose the amount of stamina required for each hit. You should not have to put your friends in harms ways to get your justice. Its all good if you have a bunch of friends that like to PvP and bounty Hunt but when you don't have those types of players on your side the bounty Board does nothing for you. This would also solve the problem of the quick soft clears keeping the gold thief safe.

Yes 100 stam Bounties would be high risk but is the chose of the BH to accept that bounty or not.

It should not be enjoyable to be on the Bounty Board EVER.

Those that say the enjoy Dancing on the board just prove what a joke it is.


Why should it be mandatory to lose 1 level, 2 levels, or more for 1 pvp hit?

you know you won't stop at one hit if you are posted for a 100 required bounty :lol: ...one that will probably not be taken for hours upon hours if its only for a gold reward. they would have to pay some nice fsp to get that done and over with, so you can't swing again and not be bountied...again lol...which would turn out to be wasted resources by the attacked party. might as well shrug off the hit, thank your xp gain, and move on.

suggesting more then x2 xp loss on the board depending on the stamina used on the attack would do more damage i think...still, kinda drastic for one hit. think the only thing that should be punished harder is multiple attacks on the same person daily/weekly. maybe you should be able to add up the hits and post a big bounty that does x5+ xp loss.

single gold hits are mostly the victims greedy fault..hourly pvping is for xp and should be punished with more xp loss.

 


#335 abhorrence

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:51

If you can't even be semi objective then your opinions will continue to look so incredibly skewed that your ideas will continue to have no validity.


Are you seriously trying to play this like you are being the objective one?


Point to where I am not please.

#336 RebornJedi

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:52

One change that might help the BB is to let every BH that does a succesful hit on the target get a share of the bounty, just like Titan hunting. Right now, as soon as the XP-Available on a bounty chnages from xxxx00 or xx50, everyone knows that someone else has taken it, so no one else joins. If people could get a share of the bounty even if they only did a few succesful hits, there would be more and bigger bounties.

Winner-take-all was a major flaw in Titan hunting. Maybe it's a flaw on the BB too.

well maybe they shouldnt show the available exp left to lose? then more people might jump on bounties?

naw..that doesn't do much. now take away the post time and you'll probably see a difference :wink:

 


#337 abhorrence

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:54

you know you won't stop at one hit if you are posted for a 100 required bounty :lol: ...one that will probably not be taken for hours upon hours if its only for a gold reward. they would have to pay some nice fsp to get that done and over with, so you can't swing again and not be bountied...again lol...which would turn out to be wasted resources by the attacked party. might as well shrug off the hit, thank your xp gain, and move on.

suggesting more then x2 xp loss on the board depending on the stamina used on the attack would do more damage i think...still, kinda drastic for one hit. think the only thing that should be punished harder is multiple attacks on the same person daily/weekly. maybe you should be able to add up the hits and post a big bounty that does x5+ xp loss.

single gold hits are mostly the victims greedy fault..hourly pvping is for xp and should be punished with more xp loss.


What is it you think the BB will look like if people get to place bounties for mandatory 100 stams? The bounties must be cleared. Ten 100 stams will be 20 times the experience take in a direct PvP hit. You think PvP will survive that?

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:55

What is it you think the BB will look like if people get to place bounties for mandatory 100 stams? The bounties must be cleared. Ten 100 stams will be 20 times the experience take in a direct PvP hit. You think PvP will survive that?


Please keep it objective, you're hurting our feelings. :lol:

#339 abhorrence

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:56


Point to where I am not please.


Your piss-poor attitude is the reason both sides will never come to an agreement.


I never commented on Maehs first thread. When HCS came to the forums with the idea I commented on THAT idea and softened every aspect of it to lean towards 0 rated players. Please point out where I have been nonobjective.

#340 abhorrence

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:57



What is it you think the BB will look like if people get to place bounties for mandatory 100 stams? The bounties must be cleared. Ten 100 stams will be 20 times the experience take in a direct PvP hit. You think PvP will survive that?


Please keep it objective, you're hurting our feelings. :lol:


My statement is clearly objective. Pointing out a large inequity.


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