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#861 Mekrushu

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 22:54


If they are still going to be able to hit you, and still be ten stam cleared ( since no one will delevel them) I don't see how this solves your complaint of repeated hits and lack of punishment?


Because the "free" hit from the BB, is no longer free! It now carries repercussions, as it should, which is better than the nothing we get now. A bully will want to be cleared quickly, so they can take more xp from you...you in turn can then bounty them for a potential 5 levels again. Keeps the board moving faster!


And would be better for the PvPers, more so than the Leveler making it more imperitive for the leveler to get it cleared faster?
E.g friends and/or higher reward
If I am following this correctly


As it sits now, the majority are having their friends clear them. By making their hits from the BB do less damage (for example only a 10 stam is allowed), its not worth it to stay up there, so they will have their friends clear them faster, rather than potentially lose another 1 level for hitting from the board. Get it cleared fast, hit again for full damage if inclined, a new bounty goes up for potential 5.

I dunno, better than nothing!

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#862 LLAP

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 22:59

As it sits now, the majority are having their friends clear them. By making their hits from the BB do less damage, its not worth it to stay up there , so they will have their friends clear them faster, rather than potentially lose another 1 level for hitting from the board. Get it cleared fast, hit again for full damage if inclined, a new bounty goes up for potential 5.

I dunno, better than nothing!

It is better than nothing, agreed!
Stepping forward into making the BB more punishing, and continuly sitting up there hours on end getting in free hits.

But...

If they are still going to be able to hit you, and still be ten stam cleared ( since no one will delevel them) I don't see how this solves your complaint of repeated hits and lack of punishment?


This is very true also.


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:02


[*:2pegbz6f]PvP Rating starts at 0 when the PvP Ladder resets.


[*:2pegbz6f]Remove the need for the PvP Ladder opt-in/out by reducing the xp loss by 75% when a player has 0 PvP Rating.


[*:2pegbz6f]PvP Rating can only be gained once from a player who has a PvP Rating of 0. (This prevents players not wanting to participate from being hit hourly for PvP Rating).


[*:2pegbz6f]If you are defeated in combat (attacking or defending), you will lose 50% of the equivalent PvP Rating you would have gained if you won the combat. Note that your PvP Rating can never be reduced below 0. Note also you can only gain PvP Rating when initiating combat.


[*:2pegbz6f]Reduce the cost of the PvP Protection and the Protect XP upgrade (XP Lock).


[*:2pegbz6f]PvP Rating can only be gained from a player who has been active in the last 48 hours.


[*:2pegbz6f]PvP Rating is gained with the following formula outwith the bounty board:
PvP Rating Gain = floor(Stamina Used * 0.5) + (floor(Stamina Used * 0.5) * (Opponent PvP Rating / Your PvP Rating))
The PvP Rating Gain is then capped by the amount of stamina used.


[*:2pegbz6f]PvP Rating is gained with the following formula when completing bounties:
PvP Rating Gain = floor(Stamina Used * 0.1) * (Opponent Level / Your Level) + (10 * (Wins / (Wins + Loses)))


[*:2pegbz6f]Change the Gloat/Honor skill to take/protect more gold.


[*:2pegbz6f]Addition of new bound potions for PvP rewards.


[*:2pegbz6f]Change Bounty Tickets so they are purchased with gold instead of Fallen Sword Points. (If this change goes ahead, your current Bounty Tickets will be converted back into Fallen Sword Points).

I agree with these but I am against the one that allows players to hit anyone in their top 10 b/c that sometimes allows for higher level players to prey on others.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:03


As it sits now, the majority are having their friends clear them. By making their hits from the BB do less damage, its not worth it to stay up there , so they will have their friends clear them faster, rather than potentially lose another 1 level for hitting from the board. Get it cleared fast, hit again for full damage if inclined, a new bounty goes up for potential 5.

I dunno, better than nothing!

It is better than nothing, agreed!
Stepping forward into making the BB more punishing, and continuly sitting up there hours on end getting in free hits.

But...

If they are still going to be able to hit you, and still be ten stam cleared ( since no one will delevel them) I don't see how this solves your complaint of repeated hits and lack of punishment?


This is very true also.

A bully will want to hit you with 100 stams, not 10stams. If hits from the BB are only allowed to be 10 stam and you can potentially lose another level, then the incentive to clear fast is there. Honest pvpers will not have any issue with this, they take their lumps and move on.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:03

May i ask how the Rating formula works? (im not sure i understand it, sorry)

Player A 100stam Player B (both players with 0 rating)
Player A gets 50 Rating Points

and

Player A 100stam Player B (A has 1000 Rating and B 0 Rating)
Player A gets 50 Rating Points

Is it like that?
Whatever the rating difference is theres a min of 50 rating and a max of 100 for a 100 stam?

I am not entirely sure if I understand it also, but from just looking at is and working out a few calcs it looks as though what you say is what I got too. We could both be wrong though.
I do know that the max you can get is 100 though

The PvP Rating Gain is then capped by the amount of stamina used.

Can't use more than 100. lol.


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:08

Whilst we are discussing changing the effects of the buffs honor and gloat. What about also changing the effects of sealed? Or getting rid of it? It has no place in PvP


YESS!!!!!!! Boot sealed, high guard, golden shield, dispel curse and all the other STUPID, coin-flip, skill-decreasing buffs!! Thank GOD someone besides myself brought this up again :)


+1... although I could live with HG and GS being kept in the game, as well as dispel curse if the activation were reduced to .05% per point. Sealed should definitely be scrapped, though.

I'd also like to see Severe Condition tweaked so that it activates BEFORE your opponent's wither instead of after (so that wither isn't completely useless against it) and... *looks around nervously* maybe reduce wither activation to .1% or .15% per point to balance things out? :shock: *ducks as levelers start throwing rotten vegetables at his head* :mrgreen:

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:09

I agree with these but I am against the one that allows players to hit anyone in their top 10 b/c that sometimes allows for higher level players to prey on others.



Only players with rating are in the top ten. They have "preyed " on other players to get that rating.Hunter becomes the prey, and back and forth. Bands have a 50, and 100 level limit in them.


If someone has pvp'd they will gain rating.They should be able to properly attack and/or defend against an attack properly.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:24

hi so i have a few thought on the matter myself everyone is talking about taking pvp out of the game......i would be very upset if this happened its a very large part of my game i adapt to all the new rules that have been put in place no matter what........ i may not like all the rule changes but i deal with that too play the game !!!!! ive always liked the different aspects of this game as you know ive played for 3 years and only an a level 209 because i gvg pvp bounty hunt and se hunt if this game goes to just leveling i wont play anymore.....period i dont think the bb is broken dont fix it lets focus on the pvp and just get it right i like all the suggestions on the last revision except for the binding of the rewards.....lets fix the pvp and get back to playing the game thanks :D

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:25


They're not going to post anyway if exp loss is nerfed 75%. That's the whole idea on that isn't it? to reduce ladder risk?

They don't post now.

So how is reducing exp loss on ladder hits as outlined in the proposal going to do anything positive?

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:27

hi so i have a few thought on the matter myself everyone is talking about taking pvp out of the game......i would be very upset if this happened its a very large part of my game i adapt to all the new rules that have been put in place no matter what........ i may not like all the rule changes but i deal with that too play the game !!!!! ive always liked the different aspects of this game as you know ive played for 3 years and only an a level 209 because i gvg pvp bounty hunt and se hunt if this game goes to just leveling i wont play anymore.....period i dont think the bb is broken dont fix it lets focus on the pvp and just get it right i like all the suggestions on the last revision except for the binding of the rewards.....lets fix the pvp and get back to playing the game thanks :D

Lets get rid of the ladder and get back to REAL PvP.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:37

The direction this "update" is going I'd rather nothing be done. "Levelers" who play only one aspect want to do away with or nerf PvP so drastically that it won't hurt their precious xp. Keep crying. If the devs think that will endear more players or bring in new players then fine but I'm glad I got to play this game while there were people left to play with because I'll be done, especially when this game heads down the same path as SS2.

I proudly wear the title of bully or gang member. These internet wimps(pu&^%$#) slinging so much crap sicken me. Grow a pair. I need some flashier colors to wear.

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#872 4gottn4ver

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:44

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how this looks like :roll:

the part that is also lame is some players post up on BB over no xp/ gold loss to them( target ) as well as over deflected hits they( target ) post a bounty. seen a few that had that happen to an they had a party place on them for a loss of 5 lvl's. have had it happen a few times to myself be posted over those reasons. wonder why there is a such thing as ' free hits/ attacks '.

as for ' soft clears ' by friends :P most times when I get posted I don't know who they are or even ask to have someone clear me off BB. do I gain much out of it as them sending me gold this or that very seldom nor do I ever ask and never will. may ask how much I was up for which is about the extent of it.

this bit of choice of 10 or 100 stam clearing is a fail, you know they are only gonna pick 100 stams to clear them. then if add in the time limit they are posted that will also fail an ones posting will cry it is not fair.

gonna be dancing around PvP'ers vs LvL'ers an find no middle ground, each will make an offer that is mostly one sided the other declines offer. round and round and round, how many more versions of this topic is gonna go on. how many more times does PvP/ ladder/ BB have to be changed to suit one but fail other players then back to changing it again? damn if anything have this ' change ' to be last for like a yr or more an if complaints about it have to wait until next yr or whatever to go over it again.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:46

The direction this "update" is going I'd rather nothing be done. "Levelers" who play only one aspect want to do away with or nerf PvP so drastically that it won't hurt their precious xp. Keep crying. If the devs think that will endear more players or bring in new players then fine but I'm glad I got to play this game while there were people left to play with because I'll be done, especially when this game heads down the same path as SS2.

I proudly wear the title of bully or gang member. These internet wimps(pu&^%$#) slinging so much crap sicken me. Grow a pair. I need some flashier colors to wear.


Im a leveler and I play the Arena from time to time, Titan hunt a little, SE hunt a little - don't think that is one aspect of the game myself. I personally don't want you pvpers to loose your enjoyment. As for keep crying and Grow a pair, thats just silly now, no need to go throwing insults at levelers thank you.

#874 Bleltch

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:52

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So how is reducing exp loss on ladder hits as outlined in the proposal going to do anything positive?

It compensates the non-PvPers for the increased activity that the proposal intendes to create.
You want better PvP, you have to offer the non-Pvpers something in return. You won't get something for nothing.

This isn't about pvp, this is about the pvp ladder!!! They want a better ladder, and hitting easy targets is what they want. Their goal is the rewards given out, at the levelers expense. If i was you i'd be arguing to keep the opt it. That keeps everyone happy but the ladder players because the've run everyone else off. all they want fresh blood.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 23:56

Im a leveler and I play the Arena from time to time, Titan hunt a little, SE hunt a little - don't think that is one aspect of the game myself. I personally don't want you pvpers to loose your enjoyment. As for keep crying and Grow a pair, thats just silly now, no need to go throwing insults at levelers thank you.

We are just about all levelers and last time I looked I was more successful a leveler then you... So the cowards that throw the insults like bullies and gangs are the ones I'm asking to grow a pair and stop whinning. XP was weighed too heavily in this game. Time the devs start to devalue it like they devalued relics.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 00:12

Im a leveler and I play the Arena from time to time, Titan hunt a little, SE hunt a little - don't think that is one aspect of the game myself. I personally don't want you pvpers to loose your enjoyment. As for keep crying and Grow a pair, thats just silly now, no need to go throwing insults at levelers thank you.

We are just about all levelers and last time I looked I was more successful a leveler then you... So the cowards that throw the insults like bullies and gangs are the ones I'm asking to grow a pair and stop whinning. XP was weighed too heavily in this game. Time the devs start to devalue it like they devalued relics.


last time I looked I was more successful a leveler then you

Where did that come from... couldn't careless who is the most successful.

So the cowards that throw the insults like bullies and gangs are the ones I'm asking to grow a pair and stop whinning.

Sorry about that, miss understood - my oppologies.

XP was weighed too heavily in this game. Time the devs start to devalue it like they devalued relics.

Some times it does seem that way. Though an RPG is Xp based, its tabletop but online or ment to be anyway i think.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 00:16


This isn't about pvp, this is about the pvp ladder!!!

Read the thread title, what is it?

Fixing the pvp ladder by combining it with real pvp is probably the best way to kill what left of it. And is going to cause nothing but trouble for the rest of the game. There was a very good reason they enacted the opt in to let the pvp ladder players to have at it with like minded individuals. And still no one has given me a good reason why the big bad tough pvp ladder players need to farm points off of levelrs all of a sudden. Other than being tired of hitting the same players over and over again getting boring.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 00:18

Where did that come from... couldn't careless who is the most successful.

You attack my post like I didn't level and take a look.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 00:19

The direction this "update" is going I'd rather nothing be done. "Levelers" who play only one aspect want to do away with or nerf PvP so drastically that it won't hurt their precious xp.

Why do you care so much about leveler's XP?

I proudly wear the title of bully or gang member. These internet wimps(pu&^%$#) slinging so much crap sicken me. Grow a pair.

LOL. It's like you think anonymously bullying other players on an Internet MMO takes courage.
That's so absurd, don't you have any conception of what real courage is ?

Many people here on FS are just here to have fun, and they don't like XP loss because it ruins their fun.
For them, FS isn't about proving what a big johnson they have, or what an imaginary bad*** they can be.


don't like XP loss cause ruins their fun. :lol: so if the LvL'ers lose to a champion, elite, SE's, LE's, titan's or what ever type of critter for what ever reason the LvL'ers fun is being ruined. then who are the LvL'ers to complain to then if they lose to critters HCS staff cause that would be the only place they could. and for what to make the critters not able to cause XP loss also to players if they lose to them? if a PvP'ers lose to incoming or outgoing attack their fun is ruined here on FS? I have had all these happen to me an hasn't ruined my fun, hell I have even out of being foolish early on lost a few lvl's to hunting critters and I even shared that with my guild mates an I had a blast with it laughing about it.

an these ones that are told to grow a set yea I wonder why cause they are the ones sending msg's to the attacker making threats over even being thought of attacked. have had many of them pull that route an attacker made no msg to target to start off being the ' bad ass ', the one that was attacked an the one that posted. even some said they sent in a tix to HCS support cause they were attacked and only that but yet sent nasty msg's to the one that attacked them only to find out their tix failed reporting a player for PvP attack on them.

never thought there could be a reason the attacker attacked? ever check out the one that posted bio for gold or whatever? most times now why ones are posted some are over prestige/ gold hits. there are still a few CB's( Counter Bounty's ). many just look at it from who is posted not who the one that posted the target.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 00:20

... the cowards that throw the insults like bullies and gangs . . .

But you said:

I proudly wear the title of bully or gang member

So it isn't an insult to you at all is it ?

Anyway, now that we've established definitively the existance of PvP bullies, we can move on to whether they are good for the game.
Because bullies by definition harm other people's enjoyment of the game, and people only play games they enjoy,
then if HC wants the player base to grow, the answer is no.

You need to take a rest and step away from your vigil on the keyboard.

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