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#161 DemonGate

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:10

Jeez...you are gonna be hit infrequently with most likely 10 stamina hits, just suck it up...you lose hardly anything, start hitting them back, they might not hit you if they know you will return fire and take their rating



But Andy, why should I have to lose any Xp at all. MY OWN XP has nothing to do with any PvPer

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:12

[quote name="VegasMark"]

Hmmmmmm .... how about if you attack a player BACK in 48 hours then the original attacker cannot bounty for the return attack .... I would give a thumbs up to that. I could defend myself and not face a guild FULL of pro PvP gamers who want to "teach" me not to defend myself. How bout that? :idea:[/quote]


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Kinda like that, but it would have to be at the same stamina level you were attacked by, and that would be hard to work out I imagine

#163 KitiaraLi

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:13

So long as HCS refuses to provide a way for the many, many, many players like myself who do not want to participate in PvP to opt out, in order to cater to those who want easy targets who won't hit back, I will refuse to "donate" another penny to HCS for FSPs.

and this is supposed to work as an argument, or to scare someone? I could say the same (which would be true to top it off, since I haven't) - As long as HCS offers up PvP protection on a game that nicely explains it is has PvP in it when you sign on, I will not donate another penny!

I understand that PvP is part of the game, but it should be an OPTIONAL part of the game, just as leveling is optional - and just as "donating" to the game is optional.

Care to explain why it should be optional? It is a part of the game, says so when you sign up. You not bothering to read that, is not the games fault, nor is it the PvPers.

Until we can exercise the option to opt out of PvP, I will exercise the option of opting out of "donating" my hard-earned cash to this game.

That, is entirely your choice, and I doubt that will affect the moo moo economy.


This is not for you in person, but your comments seems to fit quite a lot of ppl these days.. or at least a few very outspoken ones.
What some players need to do, is step away from the screen, sit down, put your hands behind your head, look into the ceiling and get over yourself.
It is a game!
You lose fictional gold and xp, not your firstborn child.
PvP is a part of this game, whether you like it or not. If it annoys you too much - find another game without PvP.

It is, as simple as that. I level, I titan hunt, I SE hunt, I have done the arenas, I farm stuff and yes, I PvP. I like to partake in the game as much as possible, get a taste of everything.
I take the same risk as everyone else does with their gold n xp - heck, I think might even take higher risk when leveling, since I tend to be arrogant with my gold and not hide it away. I can get hit too, any given time of the day. I worked for my xp and gold as well - but I will not cry and moan about it, run to HCS and call faul. It is a part of the game!

Get over it!

No one can deny that we changed this game and influenced it in such a way that NO ONE could compete with us.. so much so that they changed the rules. ~Abhorrence, chosen founder of Cerulean Sins


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:13

hmmm im not in a top 50 guild....seems to work just fine =P

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:14

Jeez...you are gonna be hit infrequently with most likely 10 stamina hits, just suck it up...you lose hardly anything, start hitting them back, they might not hit you if they know you will return fire and take their rating



But Andy, why should I have to lose any Xp at all. MY OWN XP has nothing to do with any PvPer


Because that's how it has been for most of the time, at least now it is a huge decrease in XP lost, think of it a couple of years ago when someone could severely cripple your XP with a 100 stam, now it just tickles..

#166 jklundt

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:14

Really people? I used to do nothing but level. Got hit numerous of times and was always pissed about it. Then I realized if I didn't have a bunch of gold on me or ran my mouth when hit then I never got hit. Not being able to opt out of PvP.. ooo booohoo you poor things. Don't let your gold get out of hand and 99% of the time you wont get hit ;)

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:16

This is not for you in person, but your comments seems to fit quite a lot of ppl these days.. or at least a few very outspoken ones.
What some players need to do, is step away from the screen, sit down, put your hands behind your head, look into the ceiling and get over yourself.
It is a game!
You lose fictional gold and xp, not your firstborn child.
PvP is a part of this game, whether you like it or not. If it annoys you too much - find another game without PvP.

It is, as simple as that. I level, I titan hunt, I SE hunt, I have done the arenas, I farm stuff and yes, I PvP. I like to partake in the game as much as possible, get a taste of everything.
I take the same risk as everyone else does with their gold n xp - heck, I think might even take higher risk when leveling, since I tend to be arrogant with my gold and not hide it away. I can get hit too, any given time of the day. I worked for my xp and gold as well - but I will not cry and moan about it, run to HCS and call faul. It is a part of the game!

Get over it!



maybe the $$$ that you donate are fictional, but my hard earned $$$ most certainly are not!

edited to make smaller!! lol

#168 4gottn4ver

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:17

damn both fricking sides needs to meet in the middle somehow and give an take some to get anyplace.

No, levelers don't have to give anything, many of them seem happy with things as they are now.
Given that, what are you willing to give to levelers in exchange for changes that you want?

Besides, this isn't a democracy or a negotitation. HC will decide, and then you can "vote with your feet."
I know several players that are planning to do just that once they see what changes are made.



ahh so the non-PvP'ers don't need to give up anything ONLY the PvP'ers need to give up anything so I guess that means then PvP'ers don't need to give up anything also for the non-PvP'ers. and since it is a PvP based issue why should the non-pvp'ers have anything to say on the issue of PvP if they don't want to give up anything. it was mentioned in the #7 non-PvP'ers liked and wanted the ability of posting on BB each and every PvP hit even if the one they posted on BB was not yet cleared.

and since as you said is

" Besides, this isn't a democracy or a negotitation. HC will decide, and then you can "vote with your feet."

then why did the HCS/ cows put a poll up on this matter or even mention this issue at all on the forums. why didn't they just decide on something and just put it into place w/o even mentioning it to the ones that play this FallenSword game?

SS2 is mostly a non-PvP game how did that game turn out? how many players are there playing it each day??

non-PvP'ers don't want to give up anything up go play SS2 then you get your every wish there no PvP, no loss of gold/ XP to other players attacking. non-PvP'ers had their chance/ game it FAILED so now grow a set and deal with a flip flop of a game/ chance of a PvP based game. :mrgreen:

#169 KitiaraLi

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:18

maybe the $$$ that you donate are fictional, but my hard earned $$$ most certainly are not!


Yes.. a super valid point, and I really respect your opinion :roll:

No one can deny that we changed this game and influenced it in such a way that NO ONE could compete with us.. so much so that they changed the rules. ~Abhorrence, chosen founder of Cerulean Sins


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:19

Jeez...you are gonna be hit infrequently with most likely 10 stamina hits, just suck it up...you lose hardly anything, start hitting them back, they might not hit you if they know you will return fire and take their rating



But Andy, why should I have to lose any Xp at all. MY OWN XP has nothing to do with any PvPer


Because that's how it has been for most of the time, at least now it is a huge decrease in XP lost, think of it a couple of years ago when someone could severely cripple your XP with a 100 stam, now it just tickles..



So if we made it 75% loss a while ago, lets go one step further and make it ZERO % loss, my EXp means absolutely nothing to you(as a pvper) or does it??

#171 vegasmark

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:20

[quote name="andypearce"][quote name="VegasMark"]

Hmmmmmm .... how about if you attack a player BACK in 48 hours then the original attacker cannot bounty for the return attack .... I would give a thumbs up to that. I could defend myself and not face a guild FULL of pro PvP gamers who want to "teach" me not to defend myself. How bout that? :idea:[/quote]


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Kinda like that, but it would have to be at the same stamina level you were attacked by, and that would be hard to work out I imagine[/quote]


It can all be worked out. This would abolish the need for PvP protection AND remove the De-leveling threat and bullying from PvP guilds. I really think this is an AWESOME idea. It allows me to defend myself using PvP and not having to worry about losing even more "precious" levels for it. I will be able to PvP against the PvP gamer who started it and be on even ground or put them up on the BB if I dont want to participate in PvP. OMG this could be the best thing EVER in FS

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:21

VegasMark wrote:

Hmmmmmm .... how about if you attack a player BACK in 48 hours then the original attacker cannot bounty for the return attack .... I would give a thumbs up to that. I could defend myself and not face a guild FULL of pro PvP gamers who want to "teach" me not to defend myself. How bout that? :idea:


no. it is stupid.
you can hit back and also bounty the attacker, yet the attacker does not have the same option?
so you can put together a party to take 5 from them, but they cannot do the same to you?
come on.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:22

So if we made it 75% loss a while ago, lets go one step further and make it ZERO % loss, my EXp means absolutely nothing to you(as a pvper) or does it??


A lot of PvPers actually enjoy taking that XP, now they can only take 25% of what they could, not really fair to them either :P

#174 DemonGate

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:24



So if we made it 75% loss a while ago, lets go one step further and make it ZERO % loss, my EXp means absolutely nothing to you(as a pvper) or does it??


A lot of PvPers actually enjoy taking that XP, now they can only take 25% of what they could, not really fair to them either :P



it's a sad sad day when a perfectly good game has come to someone taking something from someone else, when it affects no-one except the defender!

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:25

VegasMark wrote:

Hmmmmmm .... how about if you attack a player BACK in 48 hours then the original attacker cannot bounty for the return attack .... I would give a thumbs up to that. I could defend myself and not face a guild FULL of pro PvP gamers who want to "teach" me not to defend myself. How bout that? :idea:


no. it is stupid.
you can hit back and also bounty the attacker, yet the attacker does not have the same option?
so you can put together a party to take 5 from them, but they cannot do the same to you?
come on.



Well ... stupid is harsh and I never said AND .... the word was OR .... I refuse to call you a name back but perhaps you should re-read my post mate. Happy happy ...joy joy

#176 jklundt

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:25



So if we made it 75% loss a while ago, lets go one step further and make it ZERO % loss, my EXp means absolutely nothing to you(as a pvper) or does it??


A lot of PvPers actually enjoy taking that XP, now they can only take 25% of what they could, not really fair to them either :P



it's a sad sad day when a perfectly good game has come to someone taking something from someone else, when it affects no-one except the defender!



Be a better defender?

#177 Bleltch

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:26

Really people? I used to do nothing but level. Got hit numerous of times and was always pissed about it. Then I realized if I didn't have a bunch of gold on me or ran my mouth when hit then I never got hit. Not being able to opt out of PvP.. ooo booohoo you poor things. Don't let your gold get out of hand and 99% of the time you wont get hit ;)

Sure, for regular everyday pvp that works great. It's very easy to make yourself less of a target. But this is about changing the pvp ladder, and players will be farming you for pvp points every reset. Getting hit for gold is one thing, but should you really suffer just so some players can get the big rewards? The pvp ladder needs to stay separate from real pvp as it is now, or even more.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:26

it's a sad sad day when a perfectly good game has come to someone taking something from someone else, when it affects no-one except the defender!


For what it is worth I am easy on the matter, but people still whine, they whine about getting hit in GvG when they don't even lose XP

#179 jklundt

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:27

Really people? I used to do nothing but level. Got hit numerous of times and was always pissed about it. Then I realized if I didn't have a bunch of gold on me or ran my mouth when hit then I never got hit. Not being able to opt out of PvP.. ooo booohoo you poor things. Don't let your gold get out of hand and 99% of the time you wont get hit ;)

Sure, for regular everyday pvp that works great. It's very easy to make yourself less of a target. But this is about changing the pvp ladder, and players will be farming you for pvp points every reset. Getting hit for gold is one thing, but should you really suffer just so some players can get the big rewards? The pvp ladder needs to stay separate from real pvp as it is now, or even more.


I could care less about the rewards. If someone wants to hit me then I shall hit back

#180 4gottn4ver

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:27

[...]non-PvP'ers had their chance/ game it FAILED so now grow a set and deal with a flip flop of a game/ chance of a PvP based game. :mrgreen:

Reported to the moderators. I've learned my lesson, so I am doing that a lot now. :)



ROFLMFAO!!!!

let me guess at the extreme ' best ' most on yours >> ..

and which exactly maybe why then PvP'ers shouldn't give up anything to non-PvP'ers since this issue at hand is a PvP issue not a non-PvP issue. since you were the one awhile back that compared PvP to RAPE of a female yea a real nice thing to compare it to. deny it all ya want there was plenty that seen your post of you saying that then you editing it out to save your own hide.


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