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#341 Maehdros

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:08

Yeppers!

Maybe something like this:



OK, so playing off of luisspamer's ingeniously simple idea, how about the following?:


- Dominance medals are awarded for total victorious hits measured in "Dominance Reward Points" (DRPs)


- Only hitting players within +/- 10% of your Virtual Level (capped at a 100 level difference) earn DRPs (on or off the BB).


- 10 stamina is 1 DRP 20 stamina is 2 DRPs, 100 stamina is 10 DRPs.


- Cleared bounties are 5 DRPs, regardless of stamina used.



That's IT! :D



I like it, except for one thing.

Shouldnt 100 stams gain more for off the board hits? ie: 15 or 20?



And do you mean i can pvp anyone within 10% of my VL? thats a big big range O.o Unless it only applies to the BB?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:10

How about a simple in game poll "Do you want to leave PvP as it is?" Simple 'yes' or 'no'. If Yes wins then stop trying to please the handful of active forum 'real' pvpers and forget about any changes????


Wow ... this totally got overlooked. I keep hearing how there are xx% that PvP and xx% who hunt .... wouldnt his show the difference to remove that issue COMPLETELY?

+1 Scoops .... AWESOME mate

no it didnt. ive been asking for that option since day 1. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104546

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:11



Yeppers!

Maybe something like this:



OK, so playing off of luisspamer's ingeniously simple idea, how about the following?:


- Dominance medals are awarded for total victorious hits measured in "Dominance Reward Points" (DRPs)


- Only hitting players within +/- 10% of your Virtual Level (capped at a 100 level difference) earn DRPs (on or off the BB).


- 10 stamina is 1 DRP 20 stamina is 2 DRPs, 100 stamina is 10 DRPs.


- Cleared bounties are 5 DRPs, regardless of stamina used.



That's IT! :D



I like it, except for one thing.

Shouldnt 100 stams gain more for off the board hits? ie: 15 or 20?



Umm... I already nerfed the board clear to be 1/2 a 100 stam off the boards. :) I was just making it proportional to stam use. I don't think it would make sense to have 99 stam be 9 DRPs and 100 stam be 15, for instance.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:15

And do you mean i can pvp anyone within 10% of my VL? thats a big big range O.o Unless it only applies to the BB?


Unless you have a better way to give higher levels more targets :)

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:17

Umm... I already nerfed the board clear to be 1/2 a 100 stam off the boards. :) I was just making it proportional to stam use. I don't think it would make sense to have 99 stam be 9 DRPs and 100 stam be 15, for instance.



It would promote more 100 stams tho right? ;)



And do you mean i can pvp anyone within 10% of my VL? thats a big big range O.o Unless it only applies to the BB?


Unless you have a better way to give higher levels more targets :)




Expanding the pvp range beyond 10 levels wont be good for the game. Giving me 10%..so basically 55 levels above or below my range ( 110 levels total) to gold hit or randomly hit.. would run even more players out of the game in my opinion. but thats just my 2. If you wanna give me a bigger range I wont complain... the ones who i blind side might tho ;)

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:18

How about a simple in game poll "Do you want to leave PvP as it is?" Simple 'yes' or 'no'. If Yes wins then stop trying to please the handful of active forum 'real' pvpers and forget about any changes????


Wow ... this totally got overlooked. I keep hearing how there are xx% that PvP and xx% who hunt .... wouldnt his show the difference to remove that issue COMPLETELY?

+1 Scoops .... AWESOME mate

no it didnt. ive been asking for that option since day 1. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104546


Ok... I dont remember voting on THIS poll before any of the revision polls .... did I miss it?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:20

And do you mean i can pvp anyone within 10% of my VL? thats a big big range O.o Unless it only applies to the BB?


Unless you have a better way to give higher levels more targets :)




Expanding the pvp range beyond 10 levels wont be good for the game. Giving me 10%..so basically 55 levels above or below my range to gold hit or randomly hit.. would run even more players out of the game in my opinion. but thats just my 2. If you wanna give me a bigger range I wont complain... the ones who i blind side might tho ;)


Ok, well the range I am totally open about. I just recommended the percentage because luis pointed out that it will be a major disadvantage at EOC. I think that may just be how it has to be at EOC, though.

#348 vegasmark

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:20

Seriously .... was there an in game poll I missed?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:21

Ok, well the range I am totally open about. I just recommended the percentage because luis pointed out that it will be a major disadvantage at EOC. I think that may just be how it has to be at EOC, though.



simply have it that clearing any bounty at your level or above..gives 5 points..or whatever the heck points they are.


Still..i seriously doubt hcs will get rid of rewards >.<

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:23

How bout this?

Cumulative Hit (Simple) Dominance Model:


- Dominance medals are awarded for total victorious hits measured in "Dominance Reward Points" (DRPs)


- Only hitting players within +/- 10 levels of your Virtual Level will earn DRPs.


- 10 stamina is 1 DRP 20 stamina is 2 DRPs, 100 stamina is 10 DRPs.


- Cleared bounties are 5 DRPs, regardless of stamina used.



That's IT! :D

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 22:45

Hoof I love the almost 50/50 split here..... so lets just pull out the stops on de-leveling, those that live by the sword should be dealt with by extreme punishment....end the level slots of PVP end the ladder (not the Ranking) and let slip the dogs of pvp. PVP is either approached from the view point of a mutual respect or understanding and those that refuse to play like gentlemen should be dealt with huge retaliation via de-leveling groups and the limit of XP lost should be lifted there I said it....any and all other pvp improvements you wish to make I'm good with, but the constraints on xp lost must go...I miss the days when you could deal with bad pvp'er in a stern way....protection...what we got the Gambino buff skill of protection as opposed to pvp protection just a thought skills to better protect the bean counters instead of just pvp protection..protect the gold not the xp

#352 shdowdrgn

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 23:10

Just a suggestion,

but why until a solution is found, we dont go back to the pre-ladder situation?

I mean going back to the era...
when PvPers were PvPing,
when non-PvPers were hiding gold,
when Bounty Board was active,
when players used to hit for gold instead that for meaningless rating,
when we didnt have 10 revisions with 25 pages each in forum,
when forum was a place to write and read and not a place for arguing,
when PvPers were happy,
when non-PvPers were happy,
when players were more interested in having fun than in making profit,
when, without all this forum fights, FS was a better place to stay,
and when FS community was the best possible community?

Try for a month and see what happens, im sure it would be a great improvement to the game.
(if it can help i could even write it in iambic pentameters, maybe a sonnet is more effective)


i do so miss the old days

#353 fs_scrogger

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 23:20

Just a suggestion,

but why until a solution is found, we dont go back to the pre-ladder situation?

I mean going back to the era...
when PvPers were PvPing,
when non-PvPers were hiding gold,
when Bounty Board was active,
when players used to hit for gold instead that for meaningless rating,
when we didnt have 10 revisions with 25 pages each in forum,
when forum was a place to write and read and not a place for arguing,
when PvPers were happy,
when non-PvPers were happy,
when players were more interested in having fun than in making profit,
when, without all this forum fights, FS was a better place to stay,
and when FS community was the best possible community?

Try for a month and see what happens, im sure it would be a great improvement to the game.
(if it can help i could even write it in iambic pentameters, maybe a sonnet is more effective)


i do so miss the old days


+1

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 02:53

Well i think Hoof and the Cow crew are trying honestly, but the voices of the few who are so outspoken and cant or wont budge make it difficult to reach any real decisions. I think the best thing i heard in the forum thread so far was....HOOF, implement the changes you want. Giving the populous a voice to stir up crap is nice and all, but look where it ends up. Try something. If it doesnt work then so what. This is your game. People are gonna point fingers either way. Why not just DO it, THEN take a poll. Yes there will be bugs, kinks, and loopholes. Run the thread after the changes, and address the individual portions as the ranting comes in.

This is my word.....errr...okay my text. It holds zero weight really, but in the end you got the say HOOF. I dont condone the BS that people lay on you that they will never donate again, or thats it, you go through with your changes they quit. SCREW those people. Its the people that love the game, and the varying aspects, that dont delineate everything into "the levelers" and the "pvpers" that you want to stay anyways. Its supposed to be FUN to implement changes. Its supposed to be a multifaceted game that people dont just SHUN what others like to do.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 03:09

Well i think Hoof and the Cow crew are trying honestly, but the voices of the few who are so outspoken and cant or wont budge make it difficult to reach any real decisions. I think the best thing i heard in the forum thread so far was....HOOF, implement the changes you want. Giving the populous a voice to stir up crap is nice and all, but look where it ends up. Try something. If it doesnt work then so what. This is your game. People are gonna point fingers either way. Why not just DO it, THEN take a poll. Yes there will be bugs, kinks, and loopholes. Run the thread after the changes, and address the individual portions as the ranting comes in.

This is my word.....errr...okay my text. It holds zero weight really, but in the end you got the say HOOF. I dont condone the BS that people lay on you that they will never donate again, or thats it, you go through with your changes they quit. SCREW those people. Its the people that love the game, and the varying aspects, that dont delineate everything into "the levelers" and the "pvpers" that you want to stay anyways. Its supposed to be FUN to implement changes. Its supposed to be a multifaceted game that people dont just SHUN what others like to do.

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Nicely put.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 09:03

Just an observation, made at the risk of losing a few levels I imagine:

'Real' PvPer's' - just who are these people? Why do they think they should have more influence over the game just because they only participate in ONE part of it (i.e. Hitting unsuspecting people who are trying to enjoy the parts of the game THEY like to play)?

I have a Silver Dominance medal and ranked (at least SOME of the time) in the top 10 or 15 of the ORIGINAL PvP list. But apparently I am not 'hardcore' enough to be classed as a 'real PvPer'.

THIS IS A GAME PEOPLE. We Push Buttons. Get over yourselves and stop trying to get the game changed solely to YOUR advantage. It will never be a fair playing field again (if it ever was to begin with) but lets at least try to keep as many people happy as possible or there will be no game when a tiny 'hardcore' minority have driven off the majority. Fewer players = less profit for HCS = game collapse.

PvP environment - YES

Forcing People to take part to please a tiny so-called 'hardcore' minority? - NO NO NO.

Hoof - I hope you can see past the multis casting a vote from each of their many accounts and so try to make as many as possible happy. If I may suggest looking at the TOTAL number of poll votes and factoring in the fact the Multis will all have voted, whereas (and I doubt the total numbers are very high) the majority of players will not have voted. Thus giving a more realistic balance to the results.

Nuff said from this 'softcore' player.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 14:53

Either vote for or against. Voting neutral is just like not voting at all. If you're for the changes but are finding yourself questioning parts of it still, then vote no. Stop playing it safe and make a choice; either for or against. Neutral is a waste.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 15:04



Yeppers!

Maybe something like this:



OK, so playing off of luisspamer's ingeniously simple idea, how about the following?:


- Dominance medals are awarded for total victorious hits measured in "Dominance Reward Points" (DRPs)


- Only hitting players within +/- 10% of your Virtual Level (capped at a 100 level difference) earn DRPs (on or off the BB).


- 10 stamina is 1 DRP 20 stamina is 2 DRPs, 100 stamina is 10 DRPs.

Nope he means in general and not just for the bounty.

- Cleared bounties are 5 DRPs, regardless of stamina used.



That's IT! :D



I like it, except for one thing.

Shouldnt 100 stams gain more for off the board hits? ie: 15 or 20?



And do you mean i can pvp anyone within 10% of my VL? thats a big big range O.o Unless it only applies to the BB?

There's a problem with the last part. If they change the range to a percentage based range, then the higher you level, your attack range will increase ten fold leaving low levels with little room and high levels with a great deal of range to strike from.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 15:09

'Real' PvPer's' - just who are these people? Why do they think they should have more influence over the game just because they only participate in ONE part of it (i.e. Hitting unsuspecting people who are trying to enjoy the parts of the game THEY like to play)?



Hmm, tough question, someone who likes 100 stamming..be it for gold, defending a friend or guild. Someone who isnt afraid to wake up down a bunch of levels, who doesnt care about being hit with 100 stams, or how often they are hit with them.

Do i hit unsuspecting victims? Yep.Most high level ladder players ive met dont expect to be blindsided with a few 100 stams, heck many actually complain about 100 stams. Do I pm someone carrying 6 mil before I slap em? Heck no ;) I Just swing for the fences and hope for more then a 10% take. Stomping bounties is fun, bein stomped is even more fun online, your actually fighting for something, and making players waste stam. Heck, talk to your delevelers, its just a game..right? have some fun ;)

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 15:35

'Real' PvPer's' - just who are these people?

"Real pvpers are the players that engage in real pvp. Gold hits, exp hits, or bounty hunting. It's a way to differentiate from the ladder pvp that is strictly for pvp points to get the ladder rewards. The 2 types of players can coexist as one, but the activities cannot.


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