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#361 ThunDar

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 16:39



'Real' PvPer's' - just who are these people?

"Real pvpers are the players that engage in real pvp. Gold hits, exp hits, or bounty hunting.


That is a reasonable definition, basically old style PvP.
I (and others) have used quotes around 'Real' or 'True' as it was not well defined and was used by others. 'Pillow Fight' i quote just cause it makes me chuckle 8~)

Rev 10 seems ready for 6' under and would urge everyone to see this post:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104554
so we can put an end to it all and move on.

PS ... Hoof, can we see a 'Votes Cast' for the in game polls? Percents are fine as long as we understand what 100% equates to. like is that whole 4% just me??? LMAO

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 16:42

Best one yet. If we really have to remove the opt in, this is the way to go :) good job cows!

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 17:17

'Real' PvPer's' - just who are these people?


The folks that frequent the BB.

#364 Mekrushu

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 18:51

Is THIS real pvp?

08:15 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,498,568 Gold lost:54,926 Gold stolen:41,195 Prestige gain:10

16:08 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,551,686 Gold lost:2,670 Gold stolen:2,003

As you can see, first hit they got some prestige, fair enough. I put up a bounty on our JOKE of a bounty board. They are still sitting there after 8 HOURS. Second hit, they got NOTHING and yet will still continue to get their free hits on me from the bounty board. WHY!? Because they are a bully!

If you dont see a problem with the Bounty Board, Hoof, then you are blind and its time for me to find a new game. You want action on the BB and yet you wont make each hit bountiable. Your staff tells me its because you dont want to flood the board...ya, right! And lose all those precious fsp on XP lock and PVP Protection, is more like it. Are they going to lose 3 MILLION XP on the bounty? Not a chance! And therein, lies the reason the BB is dead and people are quitting this game! :x

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 19:01

Is THIS real pvp?

08:15 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,498,568 Gold lost:54,926 Gold stolen:41,195 Prestige gain:10

16:08 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,551,686 Gold lost:2,670 Gold stolen:2,003

As you can see, first hit they got some prestige, fair enough. I put up a bounty on our JOKE of a bounty board. They are still sitting there after 8 HOURS. Second hit, they got NOTHING and yet will still continue to get their free hits on me from the bounty board. WHY!? Because they are a bully!

If you dont see a problem with the Bounty Board, Hoof, then you are blind and its time for me to find a new game. You want action on the BB and yet you wont make each hit bountiable. Your staff tells me its because you dont want to flood the board...ya, right! And lose all those precious fsp on XP lock and PVP Protection, is more like it. Are they going to lose 3 MILLION XP on the bounty? Not a chance! And therein, lies the reason the BB is dead and people are quitting this game! :x

There is a problem with the board, yes.
At times, the effort to clear someone isnt worth the reward.
Saying that, I was on the BB yesturday twice for a FSP and it took about half an hour to be accepted. At my level, no buffs and for most levels pretty sh....y gear/stats.
However, reward has to be tempting to want to accept it.
think about it though, the EXP they will loose a minimum of of pretty much what they took from you in those 2 hits- Quite fair.

Oh, by the way, that is PvP! Nothing less nothing more!


#366 Mekrushu

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 19:16

Is THIS real pvp?

08:15 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,498,568 Gold lost:54,926 Gold stolen:41,195 Prestige gain:10

16:08 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,551,686 Gold lost:2,670 Gold stolen:2,003

As you can see, first hit they got some prestige, fair enough. I put up a bounty on our JOKE of a bounty board. They are still sitting there after 8 HOURS. Second hit, they got NOTHING and yet will still continue to get their free hits on me from the bounty board. WHY!? Because they are a bully!

If you dont see a problem with the Bounty Board, Hoof, then you are blind and its time for me to find a new game. You want action on the BB and yet you wont make each hit bountiable. Your staff tells me its because you dont want to flood the board...ya, right! And lose all those precious fsp on XP lock and PVP Protection, is more like it. Are they going to lose 3 MILLION XP on the bounty? Not a chance! And therein, lies the reason the BB is dead and people are quitting this game! :x

There is a problem with the board, yes.
At times, the effort to clear someone isnt worth the reward.
Saying that, I was on the BB yesturday twice for a FSP and it took about half an hour to be accepted. At my level, no buffs and for most levels pretty sh....y gear/stats.
However, reward has to be tempting to want to accept it.
think about it though, the EXP they will loose a minimum of of pretty much what they took from you in those 2 hits- Quite fair.

Oh, by the way, that is PvP! Nothing less nothing more!


Im not about to put up a high reward for their friend/ally to collect...simply a waste of time and money to even bother anymore.

Then all you pvpers can cry about how the BB is dead. YOU ARE DOING IT TO YOURSELVES.

19:21 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,418,013 Gold lost:3,055 Gold stolen:2,292

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 19:18

Is THIS real pvp?

08:15 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,498,568 Gold lost:54,926 Gold stolen:41,195 Prestige gain:10

16:08 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,551,686 Gold lost:2,670 Gold stolen:2,003

As you can see, first hit they got some prestige, fair enough. I put up a bounty on our JOKE of a bounty board. They are still sitting there after 8 HOURS. Second hit, they got NOTHING and yet will still continue to get their free hits on me from the bounty board. WHY!? Because they are a bully!

If you dont see a problem with the Bounty Board, Hoof, then you are blind and its time for me to find a new game. You want action on the BB and yet you wont make each hit bountiable. Your staff tells me its because you dont want to flood the board...ya, right! And lose all those precious fsp on XP lock and PVP Protection, is more like it. Are they going to lose 3 MILLION XP on the bounty? Not a chance! And therein, lies the reason the BB is dead and people are quitting this game! :x


Might I suggest posting for more than minimum to get a quick clear? Even if it's a 100 stamina clear it will take about twice the amount of XP that a single hit does. Just because some or most post for minimum some bounties tend to be up there since some bounty hunters take things like time, effort and reward into account when accepting a bounty.

It's a opportunity to play a part of the game so don't be cheap or ask for a "they should burn in hell for all eternity when I post a bounty putting all while putting in minimal effort making it happen" solution. Have fun, play smart, get your "revenge".

#368 Mekrushu

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 19:26

Is THIS real pvp?

08:15 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,498,568 Gold lost:54,926 Gold stolen:41,195 Prestige gain:10

16:08 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,551,686 Gold lost:2,670 Gold stolen:2,003

As you can see, first hit they got some prestige, fair enough. I put up a bounty on our JOKE of a bounty board. They are still sitting there after 8 HOURS. Second hit, they got NOTHING and yet will still continue to get their free hits on me from the bounty board. WHY!? Because they are a bully!

If you dont see a problem with the Bounty Board, Hoof, then you are blind and its time for me to find a new game. You want action on the BB and yet you wont make each hit bountiable. Your staff tells me its because you dont want to flood the board...ya, right! And lose all those precious fsp on XP lock and PVP Protection, is more like it. Are they going to lose 3 MILLION XP on the bounty? Not a chance! And therein, lies the reason the BB is dead and people are quitting this game! :x


Might I suggest posting for more than minimum to get a quick clear? Even if it's a 100 stamina clear it will take about twice the amount of XP that a single hit does. Just because some or most post for minimum some bounties tend to be up there since some bounty hunters take things like time, effort and reward into account when accepting a bounty.

It's a opportunity to play a part of the game so don't be cheap or ask for a "they should burn in hell for all eternity when I post a bounty putting all while putting in minimal effort making it happen" solution. Have fun, play smart, get your "revenge".


You are nothing but a bully. You are getting no gold, no prestige and just enjoy making others miserable and taking away their enjoyment of the game. I have no respect for you or anyone like you. I will not line your friends pockets. But I will submit ticket after ticket until Hoof does something about it! SHAME ON YOU!

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU GOING TO LET BE BULLIED OUT OF FS, HOOF???!

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 19:43

Is THIS real pvp?

08:15 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,498,568 Gold lost:54,926 Gold stolen:41,195 Prestige gain:10

16:08 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,551,686 Gold lost:2,670 Gold stolen:2,003

As you can see, first hit they got some prestige, fair enough. I put up a bounty on our JOKE of a bounty board. They are still sitting there after 8 HOURS. Second hit, they got NOTHING and yet will still continue to get their free hits on me from the bounty board. WHY!? Because they are a bully!

If you dont see a problem with the Bounty Board, Hoof, then you are blind and its time for me to find a new game. You want action on the BB and yet you wont make each hit bountiable. Your staff tells me its because you dont want to flood the board...ya, right! And lose all those precious fsp on XP lock and PVP Protection, is more like it. Are they going to lose 3 MILLION XP on the bounty? Not a chance! And therein, lies the reason the BB is dead and people are quitting this game! :x


Might I suggest posting for more than minimum to get a quick clear? Even if it's a 100 stamina clear it will take about twice the amount of XP that a single hit does. Just because some or most post for minimum some bounties tend to be up there since some bounty hunters take things like time, effort and reward into account when accepting a bounty.

It's a opportunity to play a part of the game so don't be cheap or ask for a "they should burn in hell for all eternity when I post a bounty putting all while putting in minimal effort making it happen" solution. Have fun, play smart, get your "revenge".


You are nothing but a bully. You are getting no gold, no prestige and just enjoy making others miserable and taking away their enjoyment of the game. I have no respect for you or anyone like you. I will not line your friends pockets. But I will submit ticket after ticket until Hoof does something about it! SHAME ON YOU AND GET A LIFE!


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#370 Sethurus

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 20:11

Is THIS real pvp?

08:15 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,498,568 Gold lost:54,926 Gold stolen:41,195 Prestige gain:10

16:08 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,551,686 Gold lost:2,670 Gold stolen:2,003

As you can see, first hit they got some prestige, fair enough. I put up a bounty on our JOKE of a bounty board. They are still sitting there after 8 HOURS. Second hit, they got NOTHING and yet will still continue to get their free hits on me from the bounty board. WHY!? Because they are a bully!

If you dont see a problem with the Bounty Board, Hoof, then you are blind and its time for me to find a new game. You want action on the BB and yet you wont make each hit bountiable. Your staff tells me its because you dont want to flood the board...ya, right! And lose all those precious fsp on XP lock and PVP Protection, is more like it. Are they going to lose 3 MILLION XP on the bounty? Not a chance! And therein, lies the reason the BB is dead and people are quitting this game! :x


Might I suggest posting for more than minimum to get a quick clear? Even if it's a 100 stamina clear it will take about twice the amount of XP that a single hit does. Just because some or most post for minimum some bounties tend to be up there since some bounty hunters take things like time, effort and reward into account when accepting a bounty.

It's a opportunity to play a part of the game so don't be cheap or ask for a "they should burn in hell for all eternity when I post a bounty putting all while putting in minimal effort making it happen" solution. Have fun, play smart, get your "revenge".


You are nothing but a bully. You are getting no gold, no prestige and just enjoy making others miserable and taking away their enjoyment of the game. I have no respect for you or anyone like you. I will not line your friends pockets. But I will submit ticket after ticket until Hoof does something about it! SHAME ON YOU!

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU GOING TO LET BE BULLIED OUT OF FS, HOOF???!

Someone else who's dealing with this problem. However, no matter how many logs you send them, or tickets you submit about some thief attacking over and over again is viewed in their eyes as anything more than pvp and part of the game.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 20:21

This is getting WAY to complicated for the game.

Do away with the ladder and rating and make PvP attacks cumulatively scored. Roughly 10,000 attacks gets a Crystal Dominance medal.


+1

please do away with the ladder it does make a mockery of what pvp really is and the people championing the ladder are only doing it for selfish profit making reasons. Pvp in my eyes was never about profit and no real pvper does it for profit, FACT!

If anything is a mockery of what pvp really is, it would be the arena. As long as the ladder stays the way it is, there's still risk of losing xp/levels and gold. There is no risk in the arena.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 20:52

Well, i think it has been suggested some time before.

Maybe we should add something like an Combat Zone?

Once every 10 hours (or so) an special gate will open which leads to the Combat Zone. Ofcourse you need to be online thats why I am talking about an gate every 10 hours. Everyone who wish to fight will teleport to that place and the last one standing will gain some tokens.
Ofcourse you can take your gear with it. Get any buffs you want, or no buffs or whatever.

I think that there are lots of ways in which such an combat can be initiated. XP reduced might be lowered during that combat, so that you can multiple combat rounds and winners might even GAIN some XP. You could make restrictions on gear you an take with you, or buffs you can cast. Like only buffs upto your own level. We could place those combats into special events, once every couple of days.. If you are a bit creative (and steal ideas's from other games).. the possibilities are endless... And the nice part of my idea is that its really an OPT-IN idea. You can join or don't join. Its your choice so you will have no farms there.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 21:04

Is THIS real pvp?

08:15 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,498,568 Gold lost:54,926 Gold stolen:41,195 Prestige gain:10

16:08 18/Oct/2011
[ Ignore ] You were defeated by xxx in combat. [ View Combat ] [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:1,551,686 Gold lost:2,670 Gold stolen:2,003

As you can see, first hit they got some prestige, fair enough. I put up a bounty on our JOKE of a bounty board. They are still sitting there after 8 HOURS. Second hit, they got NOTHING and yet will still continue to get their free hits on me from the bounty board. WHY!? Because they are a bully!

If you dont see a problem with the Bounty Board, Hoof, then you are blind and its time for me to find a new game. You want action on the BB and yet you wont make each hit bountiable. Your staff tells me its because you dont want to flood the board...ya, right! And lose all those precious fsp on XP lock and PVP Protection, is more like it. Are they going to lose 3 MILLION XP on the bounty? Not a chance! And therein, lies the reason the BB is dead and people are quitting this game! :x


That is a great example of REAL PvP. The ladder is simply pillow fighting for shiny prizes. We need more people doing things like this... I certainly do respect him and people like him! GO BULLIES! :twisted:

Easy solution to your problem. Post for a reward worth the stam, time and effort for the hunter's and you find it will be cleared much quicker. I personally won't even attempt to clear a bounty that is not worth the tickets it takes to accept. If i am bountied for around 1FSP it is cleared rather quickly but if i am posted for minimum gold it is left for hours not even looked at. Gives me a the oppertunity to take more of your XP without risk of being bountied.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 21:05

Players can only attack other players within +/-10 of their virtual level. Players can always attack the top 10 players in their band regardless of if the target is active or within +/-10 of their virtual level.<---


This part has me curious, If i am top ten.. anyone can hit me..but i can only hit back if they are top ten? That makes no sense. It should be..To hit others in the top ten, you have to BE in the top ten.


Rating, xp gold loss..should always apply to top ten hits.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 21:07

That is a great example of REAL PvP. The ladder is simply pillow fighting for shiny prizes. We need more people doing things like this... I certainly do respect him and people like him! GO BULLIES :twisted:



Its an example of why guilds/ players should defend one another more. If I slap someone..and lose 5 for it..I doubt im gonna slap em again. ;) Stick up for your guildies!

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 21:08

Players can only attack other players within +/-10 of their virtual level. Players can always attack the top 10 players in their band regardless of if the target is active or within +/-10 of their virtual level.<---


This part has me curious, If i am top ten.. anyone can hit me..but i can only hit back if they are top ten? That makes no sense. It should be..To hit others in the top ten, you have to BE in the top ten.


Rating, xp gold loss..should always apply to top ten hits.


I was thinking the same thing, but not even sure if hoof is paying attention here anymore?

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 21:15


That is a great example of REAL PvP. The ladder is simply pillow fighting for shiny prizes. We need more people doing things like this... I certainly do respect him and people like him! GO BULLIES :twisted:



Its an example of why guilds/ players should defend one another more. If I slap someone..and lose 5 for it..I doubt im gonna slap em again. ;) Stick up for your guildies!


Yes i agree, being surrounded by guildmates and friends that have your back is very comforting. So you know that should you need them they are there. If i lose 5 for a gold hit it is very unlikely i will hit them again also. Leveler's take note :)

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 21:21


That is a great example of REAL PvP. The ladder is simply pillow fighting for shiny prizes. We need more people doing things like this... I certainly do respect him and people like him! GO BULLIES :twisted:



Its an example of why guilds/ players should defend one another more. If I slap someone..and lose 5 for it..I doubt im gonna slap em again. ;) Stick up for your guildies!


Yes i agree, being surrounded by guildmates and friends that have your back is very comforting. So you know that should you need them they are there. If i lose 5 for a gold hit it is very unlikely i will hit them again also. Leveler's take note :)



Hehe, depends on how much gold :twisted:

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 21:24


That is a great example of REAL PvP. The ladder is simply pillow fighting for shiny prizes. We need more people doing things like this... I certainly do respect him and people like him! GO BULLIES :twisted:



Its an example of why guilds/ players should defend one another more. If I slap someone..and lose 5 for it..I doubt im gonna slap em again. ;) Stick up for your guildies!


Yes i agree, being surrounded by guildmates and friends that have your back is very comforting. So you know that should you need them they are there. If i lose 5 for a gold hit it is very unlikely i will hit them again also. Leveler's take note :)


Thereby FORCING my guild and allies to PVP, when they dont want to. Ya, great solution.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 21:25

Hehe, depends on how much gold :twisted:


Yeah sometimes it is too good to miss :D :twisted:


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