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#121 MummRa

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 23:55

It costs me 100fsp to help my guildmates and allies to keep their gold safe while hunting. Seems a tad extreme?

Absolutely very extreme. That your friends use you as their personal bank I mean. Just another way of legal cheating. If they want 100% safe gold they should have to pay for it themselves. Hard to make that come true without removing the opt out though.

Nah, even though I am serious, I see what you mean.. and 100 FSP is dead cheap for what you (and your friends) get. ;)


In previous revisions, Hoof proposed to lower the PVP Protection cost. I, and many others, would still like to see that implemented.


Once again... Agree Agree Agree. I'm tempted to use an fsp just to add you as an ally at this point

#122 ripplelady

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 23:55

ok i think these changes are good i agree to all of the above especially the unbound items and potions i still want it to be worth my time money and stamm i use pvp is a huge portion of my game and i want to continue enjoying the game i have played for so long :D



Thats whats wrong with the current system ever since tokens came out...players pvping for pure profit..not because its fun. Bound items fixes that problem.



+1 BOUND EVERYTHING that involves PVP TOKENS ... <--- You want them? GO EARN THEM !!!


I have earned them

Really, for those that think the rewards in pvp should be bound, we will see what you think when your profit source is taken by bound items, see you howl! Or is it your credit card that does the talking!




:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: why do you think we want them bound- so ppl can not make a profit from PVP - want a profit from PVP then hit some one for gold ! - really simple


You say it better than I ever could "WE want them bound so people cannot make a profit from pvp" (WE meaning that tiny majority whos comparing notes and making an official stance they can troll together with)

YOU think everyone should play the way YOU want it and YOU complain in a attempt to take away from anyone something YOU dont have. And when that fails YOU post a thread about pvp dying.LMAO that gets immediately locked.
YOU want it the way YOU were told it should be and are just posting what YOU were told YOU feel. The time of the old pvper thug band has been over for a while now and I couldnt be happier!

For those who think for themselfs the reasons being made to bind items can be applied to all other aspects of the game and arent. I am waiting for the pots to come out to suggest arena pots are bound too. I feel we are all adults and if we want to use our stam and get a reward out of it we should,,,everyone else gets to!

#123 douglasj

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 23:55

My hits are fueled either by wanting to, or gold. Not tokens. Just saying.

But levelers are wanting that out. Pvp is going to be gold hitless so 'farmers' will rule.

#124 fs_nahkera

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 23:55

Wow, is that what I stated, reread my statement lol, I stated have your means of making a profit taken away, let me spell that out, titan hunting, se hunting, leveling. Heck as sarcastic as the farming statement was yes bind that too, lol. No where did I say there were only two ways to make a profit, I am just saying dont attack my way of making a profit in game! Unless you are willing to bind them all!!!! Then we all will be pulling out the credit cards.

#125 watagashi

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 23:56

*smacks Ripple and reminds her to log off forum next time!!!*

But we still both feel this way

#126 Maehdros

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 23:57

Ripple, whats the problem, with pvping... having fun.. to get yourself some nice shiny bound gear..or shiny potions to use for gvg..bounty hunting..or deleveling people for your guild. whats exactly is the problem with that?

#127 fs_sangdiablo

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 23:58

If it ends up all pick and choose anyway...these would be my choices:

75% reduction in XP loss OR allow my iggy list to also be a list of players that cannot interact with me at all (including such interactions as attacking me in PvP-preventing me from attacking them is a moot point, as I don't PvP).

Allow PvPers to take as much rating and prestige from me as their heart desires.

Continue to allow gold loss-if I left it in the open, that's my fault.

Do whatever you want to the price of protection (with 75% XP loss reduction, there's no need for it IMO), only allow the option to XP lock once every 100 levels or so (why not?) and ask whatever price you wish, and remove my opt in/out option (no need for that with the XP loss edux, either).

THE END

Seriously, all I would ask beyond that is that you kill off as much cheating as possible for the PvPers. So I have something against shady players...go figure.

No, I'm NOT suggesting this be the new revision. I'm just saying a list like this would give me everything I could possibly want in regards to PvP.

#128 fs_sangdiablo

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:00


Binding resource drops, now there is a game-changing idea. Heck, let's bind all the invented potions too, and force people to do their own plant farming and potion brewing! It will encourage people to participate in "all aspects of the game," and sink a lot of stamina too. Yes, that IS sarcasm.


And your point? Nahkera clearly stated that the assumption was that there are only 2 ways to profit in the game. I'm pointing out that credit cards and PvP are not the only ways to profit in the game. What will happen to the ability to profit if PvP rewards are bound? Not much, unless you happen to rely solely on selling PvP rewards.

Considering you are right alongside me in the non-PvP camp, I'd say you won't be seeing a loss of profits, either.

I was just inspired by your post, sorry if you misconstrued it. PvPers argue that everyone should be encouraged to participate in all aspects of FS, right? Well, farming plants and brewing potions are aspects of FS, so why not force everyone to do those things if they want the potions, like everyone is forced to be part of PvP?

Of course you and I know why: it would rob farmers and brewers of their income while making the game miserable for everyone else. Kind of like forcing everyone to play the ladder to get bound rewards would do ...


Ah, gotcha. No harm, no foul. I did misunderstand then. Much thanks on the clarification. :)

#129 IMQUICKILL

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:02

I think this revision is best for the game as a whole :)


I agree, it has the right mix to make a majority happy but not everyone.

#130 lordthade

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:02

Thanks, either way, for trying, Hoof.

PLEASE come up with a way to allow in-guild dueling. I really think that will do far more for PvP than any of these updates.

#131 dowuones

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:03

I appreciate the effort, but ive to say that after 10 revisions this is getting tiring and the rest of the game probably needs more attention than this.

Whatever you decide, bound or unbound, items or potions, they are PvP Ladder rewards: make them ONLY PvP related. Please dont ruin a part of the game that is working to fix another one. We have already too many Xp potions and Leveling gear in the game. Dont add more.
PvP Ladder = PvP Rewards

#132 MummRa

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:05

If this does get implemented I do think we should have a triple XP event to celebrate

#133 watagashi

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:05

(she says) nothing, its still fun. BUT paying several FSPs a reset just to compete in buffs with the others for the medals we want requires more than fun to be able to keep going. We should not have to use the credit card to enjoy the game.

And by that arguement whats wrong with entering an arena to test yoruself against another player for fun?

Whats wrong with hitting a huge titan creature with your guild only for bragging rights on who got the most hits?

Whats wrong with doing a bounty with no reward?

Whats wrong with hunting a SE just for the challenge of finding it with no reward?

The arguement that it shouldnt be for profit fails when everything in the game has something to reward the work put in

Hoof saw this and agreed that binding everything was unfair. I'm still waiting for the potions to see if they compare to things like the arena cloak and if so I intend to start a campaign to bind those too

#134 fs_sangdiablo

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:06

Wow, is that what I stated, reread my statement lol, I stated have your means of making a profit taken away, let me spell that out, titan hunting, se hunting, leveling. Heck as sarcastic as the farming statement was yes bind that too, lol. No where did I say there were only two ways to make a profit, I am just saying dont attack my way of making a profit in game! Unless you are willing to bind them all!!!! Then we all will be pulling out the credit cards.


Why must it be nothing bound or everything bound? Sure, I could complain that once I extract a component, I can't sell it, but seriously, what sane person would cry over that. There is no aspect of the game in which all rewards are bound that I can think of, and very few that have nothing bound. :lol:

Not everything is either black or white. In fact, the vast majority fall in the grey area.

#135 shdowdrgn

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:08

(she says) nothing, its still fun. BUT paying several FSPs a reset just to compete in buffs with the others for the medals we want requires more than fun to be able to keep going. We should not have to use the credit card to enjoy the game.

And by that arguement whats wrong with entering an arena to test yoruself against another player for fun?

Whats wrong with hitting a huge titan creature with your guild only for bragging rights on who got the most hits?

Whats wrong with doing a bounty with no reward?

Whats wrong with hunting a SE just for the challenge of finding it with no reward?

The arguement that it shouldnt be for profit fails when everything in the game has something to reward the work put in

Hoof saw this and agreed that binding everything was unfair. I'm still waiting for the potions to see if they compare to things like the arena cloak and if so I intend to start a campaign to bind those too



SEs dont have a very high drop rate so a lot of the time there is no profit. titans the drop goes to the guild not everyone that hits.
bountys most of time have very low rewards as min listing price is typically not that high and on and on :)

#136 BigOStyle

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:09

[*]When attacking a player, you choose between attacking for XP/Gold or PvP Rating. Attacking for PvP Rating will not take any Gold/XP if the defender has 0 PvP Rating or less. (Note this removes the need for an opt-in/out.)

Your still forcing players to participate in area of the game that they don't want to partake in. Leave in the PvP opt-in/out.

Keep PvP between those who want to PvP.

#137 fs_nahkera

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:10

Anytime SangDiablo, I farm also lol, for one of the biggest pot makers in the game, I also GVG as a source of income, and I spend that income on the rewards that the Titan Hunters provide, and on the gear that the SE hunters provide, and the Buffs the players sell, and the pots the pot makers make, its called the Economy of the Game. So if I go into the arena and pit myself against other fighters and do it for profit along with the sport of it, then I should be allowed to do with my rewards as I wish, along with everyone else. This is my point.

#138 Eleonora2

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:10

KE is overpowerd as is with all the 2 piece sets out there and you want better than 175 and call it not overpowered? :shock:


I don't think the buff is overpowered, there are very easy ways to get defence into your setup with constitution and NMV. Then there is flinch that reduces the other's attack. KE200 is a great potion :D

There is already a KE200 potion available i am just suggesting a longer duration potion :)

Constitution and flinch dont have the duration to be meaningfull protection even if they do activate for defending party (which i'm not sure at all they do). The attacker has KE175 (+70% att) and DC225 (-45% defender defense). And than the attacker has Sealed to reduce minute risk a first strike or dodge in combination with critical hit and piercing strike could make the attack fail

#139 Bleltch

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:14

[*]When attacking a player, you choose between attacking for XP/Gold or PvP Rating. Attacking for PvP Rating will not take any Gold/XP if the defender has 0 PvP Rating or less. (Note this removes the need for an opt-in/out.)

So with this change if I hit a player for gold do I automatically get entered in the pvp ladder?

#140 fs_andypearce

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 00:14

titans the drop goes to the guild not everyone that hits.

Every guild I have Titan hunted in split the profit from the drop among the hitters.
Does any guild not ? Who would titan hunt for such a guild?


Guilds that actually want to keep the item in their guild store, lol


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