Security Bulletin
#201
fs_karlososos
Posted 14 January 2012 - 16:19
HCS is banning scripts. Fine. Im perfectly fine with that. In fact, I'm glad they are. The whole point of lightwalk and TS was so that you can move around faster on the map. Now that HCS has implemented that in the game, there is really no use for them, well, except for the fact that TS has a sweet ass map refresher (continuous with grid). Can HCS implement this into the game as well? Maybe make it an option in the preferences? That way people dont even have to bother with firefox/chrome addons for auto refresh.
Now onto the new map system. I dont want to use it for titans. Period. Titans take long enough as it is. Especially with the killing delay. Now you want to slow it down even further? This is a game, not a job.
Heres how I see it. In my experience playing computer games, those with better/faster machines always have a slight advantage over those with antiquated machines. Thats life. Get over it. Everyones talking about a level playing field. If you want a level playing field than HCS should of released this game on an XBOX or PS3 so everyone has the same hardware. Last time I checked fallensword was played on a computer. Im lucky to have a pretty sweet rig and decent connection. Why should I have to switch over to a slower map system because people that dont titan hunt are complaining that its not fair. These are probably the same people with 30 toolbars in their browser wondering why they are so slow. In fact, it seems like the majority of the people posting in this thread dont even really know what lightwalk and titanstride did.
Is it possible that there are rogue or edited versions of these scripts out there? Absolutely. Ban all the scripts. I dont care. But dont force people to switch to a slower but more aestheticly pleasing map system. As of right now, it does take a certain amount of skill to move around. ITS ALL ABOUT THE KEYSTROKES AND BABY I STROKE THEM GOOD. The new map system is point and click. Wheres the skill in that? If I wanted to point and click I would go play with my camera. You are basically taking any "skill" out of titan hunting by going to the new map system and adding additional hours to the hunt.
Finally, heres whats going to happen. People will get excited about titan hunting again because theres no more "cheaters". People will go out expecting to get a slew of kills but the bottom line is that there are still fast titan hunters, scripts or no scripts. Faster than you, faster than me. They will get discouraged and in 3 weeks we will be right back where we started. Stop getting discouraged. Grab some of your guildmates and burn more than 1000 stam instead of crying about a level playing field. Why are only 3-4 guilds getting most of the drops? Probably because they are out there by themselves because of this type of attitude. /end rant
tl;dr
you suck
#202
Posted 14 January 2012 - 16:39
Is ReloadEvery allowed? I'm thinking of those that do not use Titanstride and use reloadevery to refresh the world map for seeing where the titan spawns.
Hey, yes reloadevery is permitted for use in the game as it just refreshes the screen and not uses any part of the game for you.
for those who keep asking about reload every
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#203
Posted 14 January 2012 - 17:31
I titan hunted last night using the new interface on Fuvayus. Here are some fixes that might help people enjoy titan hunting:
~Have the Titan stay at a spawn point for more than 2 kills. (It was really annoying wasting 10 stamina to get to the titan and only hit it once and it spawned somewhere else)
~Have the map auto refresh it self rather than continuing to press refresh/0. My 0 button has bo bo's
~Optional: Maybe reduce the HP of the Titan so it is easier to kill and doesn't take 3+ hours to get a secure? Just a thought, but will let you guys know how it goes on the other titans.
~ Reduce the laggy/shaky feeling when you click to go somewhere and also make it smoother when the little guy is moving to a place and you click to another spot(because the titan has moved). 90% of the time I get the "You cannot move more than 1 square at a time" notifications and the guy just stops.
~Any chance you guys can have a notification (like when your BP is full) appear when you have a log message?
Feel free to criticize
#204
Posted 14 January 2012 - 17:52
Just to be sure: Lightwalk is different from FSH Auto-walk? Or they are the same thing?
And would it be possible to send a message to EVERY player, and not just in home page, warning to disable Titanstride and Lightwalk? (something like Point Rewars offer, so that until you click it, it doesnt disappear?
I ask it because if a player comes back after a week, a month, a year, and he was using previously allowed (or tolerated scripts), he wont have chances to know rules have changed.
LW is different from Autowalk yes.
Lightwalk, like Titanstride, would make it possible to hit a series of direction keys and have your character make all those moves without having to wait for a response from server for each individual move, hence the much greater advantage to those of us with slow connections.
But a hunter with un-modified TS, would still have to:
- see the titan on refreshed map
- hit the direction keys with the shortest route to the titan
- hit the titan, with 1 sec delay on each hit
Seeing some players managing to do all the above within a sec for hours on end, regardless how far away or how intricate the routing would need to be, is what makes it obvious some people do not use the unadulterated version of the the scripts that were allowed.
Autowalk, on old map, (new or old UI), when clicking 'n' will open a small realmmap, where you can trace a route for your char, then clicking 'N' will make it walk that route.
#205
Posted 14 January 2012 - 18:05
I dont post much on the forums as you can tell from my post count. I think the majority of my posts have been in this thread (mostly smartass remarks and babble), but I feel the need to voice my opinion on this matter.
HCS is banning scripts. Fine. Im perfectly fine with that. In fact, I'm glad they are. The whole point of lightwalk and TS was so that you can move around faster on the map. Now that HCS has implemented that in the game, there is really no use for them, well, except for the fact that TS has a sweet ass map refresher (continuous with grid). Can HCS implement this into the game as well? Maybe make it an option in the preferences? That way people dont even have to bother with firefox/chrome addons for auto refresh.
Now onto the new map system. I dont want to use it for titans. Period. Titans take long enough as it is. Especially with the killing delay. Now you want to slow it down even further? This is a game, not a job.
Heres how I see it. In my experience playing computer games, those with better/faster machines always have a slight advantage over those with antiquated machines. Thats life. Get over it. Everyones talking about a level playing field. If you want a level playing field than HCS should of released this game on an XBOX or PS3 so everyone has the same hardware. Last time I checked fallensword was played on a computer. Im lucky to have a pretty sweet rig and decent connection. Why should I have to switch over to a slower map system because people that dont titan hunt are complaining that its not fair. These are probably the same people with 30 toolbars in their browser wondering why they are so slow. In fact, it seems like the majority of the people posting in this thread dont even really know what lightwalk and titanstride did.
Is it possible that there are rogue or edited versions of these scripts out there? Absolutely. Ban all the scripts. I dont care. But dont force people to switch to a slower but more aestheticly pleasing map system. As of right now, it does take a certain amount of skill to move around. ITS ALL ABOUT THE KEYSTROKES AND BABY I STROKE THEM GOOD. The new map system is point and click. Wheres the skill in that? If I wanted to point and click I would go play with my camera. You are basically taking any "skill" out of titan hunting by going to the new map system and adding additional hours to the hunt.
Finally, heres whats going to happen. People will get excited about titan hunting again because theres no more "cheaters". People will go out expecting to get a slew of kills but the bottom line is that there are still fast titan hunters, scripts or no scripts. Faster than you, faster than me. They will get discouraged and in 3 weeks we will be right back where we started. Stop getting discouraged. Grab some of your guildmates and burn more than 1000 stam instead of crying about a level playing field. Why are only 3-4 guilds getting most of the drops? Probably because they are out there by themselves because of this type of attitude. /end rant
tl;dr
you suck
Agree completely.
#206
Posted 14 January 2012 - 18:17
Only hope to make titans only showing on new map...
and for everyone complaining that hunting titans takes longer time on new map... just use more members if u want to finish faster.
#207
fs_jackiet
Posted 14 January 2012 - 19:01
I dont post much on the forums as you can tell from my post count. I think the majority of my posts have been in this thread (mostly smartass remarks and babble), but I feel the need to voice my opinion on this matter.
HCS is banning scripts. Fine. Im perfectly fine with that. In fact, I'm glad they are. The whole point of lightwalk and TS was so that you can move around faster on the map. Now that HCS has implemented that in the game, there is really no use for them, well, except for the fact that TS has a sweet ass map refresher (continuous with grid). Can HCS implement this into the game as well? Maybe make it an option in the preferences? That way people dont even have to bother with firefox/chrome addons for auto refresh.
Now onto the new map system. I dont want to use it for titans. Period. Titans take long enough as it is. Especially with the killing delay. Now you want to slow it down even further? This is a game, not a job.
Heres how I see it. In my experience playing computer games, those with better/faster machines always have a slight advantage over those with antiquated machines. Thats life. Get over it. Everyones talking about a level playing field. If you want a level playing field than HCS should of released this game on an XBOX or PS3 so everyone has the same hardware. Last time I checked fallensword was played on a computer. Im lucky to have a pretty sweet rig and decent connection. Why should I have to switch over to a slower map system because people that dont titan hunt are complaining that its not fair. These are probably the same people with 30 toolbars in their browser wondering why they are so slow. In fact, it seems like the majority of the people posting in this thread dont even really know what lightwalk and titanstride did.
Is it possible that there are rogue or edited versions of these scripts out there? Absolutely. Ban all the scripts. I dont care. But dont force people to switch to a slower but more aestheticly pleasing map system. As of right now, it does take a certain amount of skill to move around. ITS ALL ABOUT THE KEYSTROKES AND BABY I STROKE THEM GOOD. The new map system is point and click. Wheres the skill in that? If I wanted to point and click I would go play with my camera. You are basically taking any "skill" out of titan hunting by going to the new map system and adding additional hours to the hunt.
Finally, heres whats going to happen. People will get excited about titan hunting again because theres no more "cheaters". People will go out expecting to get a slew of kills but the bottom line is that there are still fast titan hunters, scripts or no scripts. Faster than you, faster than me. They will get discouraged and in 3 weeks we will be right back where we started. Stop getting discouraged. Grab some of your guildmates and burn more than 1000 stam instead of crying about a level playing field. Why are only 3-4 guilds getting most of the drops? Probably because they are out there by themselves because of this type of attitude. /end rant
tl;dr
you suck
+111111111
titan hunting is a skill that takes time to learn. If you want to be fast WORK at it dont just complain that someone has an unfair advantage.
#208
Posted 14 January 2012 - 19:21
#209
Posted 14 January 2012 - 19:43
#210
Posted 14 January 2012 - 19:59
That's funniest thing i ever heard... i hunted titans before u even know there's a titans... i know exactly how to hunt titans... i have 200ms ping to FS Can i beat a skilled player with less than 100ms ping? for sure cant. this is just Ignorance attitudeI dont post much on the forums as you can tell from my post count. I think the majority of my posts have been in this thread (mostly smartass remarks and babble), but I feel the need to voice my opinion on this matter.
HCS is banning scripts. Fine. Im perfectly fine with that. In fact, I'm glad they are. The whole point of lightwalk and TS was so that you can move around faster on the map. Now that HCS has implemented that in the game, there is really no use for them, well, except for the fact that TS has a sweet ass map refresher (continuous with grid). Can HCS implement this into the game as well? Maybe make it an option in the preferences? That way people dont even have to bother with firefox/chrome addons for auto refresh.
Now onto the new map system. I dont want to use it for titans. Period. Titans take long enough as it is. Especially with the killing delay. Now you want to slow it down even further? This is a game, not a job.
Heres how I see it. In my experience playing computer games, those with better/faster machines always have a slight advantage over those with antiquated machines. Thats life. Get over it. Everyones talking about a level playing field. If you want a level playing field than HCS should of released this game on an XBOX or PS3 so everyone has the same hardware. Last time I checked fallensword was played on a computer. Im lucky to have a pretty sweet rig and decent connection. Why should I have to switch over to a slower map system because people that dont titan hunt are complaining that its not fair. These are probably the same people with 30 toolbars in their browser wondering why they are so slow. In fact, it seems like the majority of the people posting in this thread dont even really know what lightwalk and titanstride did.
Is it possible that there are rogue or edited versions of these scripts out there? Absolutely. Ban all the scripts. I dont care. But dont force people to switch to a slower but more aestheticly pleasing map system. As of right now, it does take a certain amount of skill to move around. ITS ALL ABOUT THE KEYSTROKES AND BABY I STROKE THEM GOOD. The new map system is point and click. Wheres the skill in that? If I wanted to point and click I would go play with my camera. You are basically taking any "skill" out of titan hunting by going to the new map system and adding additional hours to the hunt.
Finally, heres whats going to happen. People will get excited about titan hunting again because theres no more "cheaters". People will go out expecting to get a slew of kills but the bottom line is that there are still fast titan hunters, scripts or no scripts. Faster than you, faster than me. They will get discouraged and in 3 weeks we will be right back where we started. Stop getting discouraged. Grab some of your guildmates and burn more than 1000 stam instead of crying about a level playing field. Why are only 3-4 guilds getting most of the drops? Probably because they are out there by themselves because of this type of attitude. /end rant
tl;dr
you suck
+111111111
titan hunting is a skill that takes time to learn. If you want to be fast WORK at it dont just complain that someone has an unfair advantage.
#211
Posted 14 January 2012 - 20:40
That's funniest thing i ever heard... i hunted titans before u even know there's a titans... i know exactly how to hunt titans... i have 200ms ping to FS Can i beat a skilled player with less than 100ms ping? for sure cant. this is just Ignorance attitude
#212
fs_jackiet
Posted 14 January 2012 - 20:54
That's funniest thing i ever heard... i hunted titans before u even know there's a titans... i know exactly how to hunt titans... i have 200ms ping to FS Can i beat a skilled player with less than 100ms ping? for sure cant. this is just Ignorance attitude
ROFL post of the year haha
#213
Posted 14 January 2012 - 21:33
Very constructive you must be good with trolling and flaming
That's funniest thing i ever heard... i hunted titans before u even know there's a titans... i know exactly how to hunt titans... i have 200ms ping to FS Can i beat a skilled player with less than 100ms ping? for sure cant. this is just Ignorance attitude
#214
Posted 14 January 2012 - 22:50
I'd have have both types of UI, but keep the new map on Both so it is fair. Besides its still in beta. When it is out of beta, it will most likely be a lot better than it is now.
*scratches head confusedly*
KEEP new map on old UI? It is not and won't ever be on old UI.
Still in Beta? was in alpha during trial, are you expecting it to go to Gamma? Delta? Omega?
#215
fs_kaykayy
Posted 15 January 2012 - 00:12
now we can see good challenge between different guild on securing titans :roll:
#216
Posted 15 January 2012 - 00:25
#217
fs_ragingwave
Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:26
Nothing to say, other than that your founder may be disappointed as well that you've resorted to personal insults.have a feeling that if ragingwave's founder read this material, there would be an epic facepalm. give it a rest. it's done. there are still quick 3 window options out there that require a bit more attention than "hunting" while working on a crossword.
For everyone saying that TS made the titan field unbalanced because some people modified their computers: I personally use an unmodified computer and an unmodified TitanStride. I've never come across a situation where I was consistently unable to be first on a Titan for an entire hunt - if you give up after a few kills because someone beats you there a few times, well of course. All titan hunting is now is a war of attrition and seeing who has more time to kill on it, now.
No, I'm saying that more experienced players should have a more prominent say in this. And it's not the matter of retiring a certain titan, either. It's like disabling LightWalk and making it significantly slower for SE hunters to sweep realms - they certainly deserve a more prominent say in that, if that was the issue, no? It only makes sense to me that people without even bronze medals have never tried their hand at titan hunting seriously, and aren't very concerned with the future of titan hunting. Even if they are concerned, they'd have little experience to back their claims up. We don't need another catastrophe like the last arena one, where most contributors weren't even arena players. That's how we got to where we are now.I ask the question because I want to know how many comments are from actual active titan hunters. It's a titan hunting issue, and it only makes sense that the active titan hunters should have their opinions stand out from the others, to me. Those who do not actively participate in titan hunts have little business in this issue... I won't pretend that I'm an expert, since I'm new to the titan hunting aspect of the game, but people with crystal medals should have their opinions valued over those without titan medals, I believe.
So, you are pretty much saying that only a certain group of people have a say in this? Titan hunting was made for all, not just them. So, when the new SE's come out.. Should the Top SE hunters say HCS should retire a certain SE just because they have a medal? Same goes for PvP and so on.
+1000000. You've got my support.I dont post much on the forums as you can tell from my post count. I think the majority of my posts have been in this thread (mostly smartass remarks and babble), but I feel the need to voice my opinion on this matter.
HCS is banning scripts. Fine. Im perfectly fine with that. In fact, I'm glad they are. The whole point of lightwalk and TS was so that you can move around faster on the map. Now that HCS has implemented that in the game, there is really no use for them, well, except for the fact that TS has a sweet ass map refresher (continuous with grid). Can HCS implement this into the game as well? Maybe make it an option in the preferences? That way people dont even have to bother with firefox/chrome addons for auto refresh.
Now onto the new map system. I dont want to use it for titans. Period. Titans take long enough as it is. Especially with the killing delay. Now you want to slow it down even further? This is a game, not a job.
Heres how I see it. In my experience playing computer games, those with better/faster machines always have a slight advantage over those with antiquated machines. Thats life. Get over it. Everyones talking about a level playing field. If you want a level playing field than HCS should of released this game on an XBOX or PS3 so everyone has the same hardware. Last time I checked fallensword was played on a computer. Im lucky to have a pretty sweet rig and decent connection. Why should I have to switch over to a slower map system because people that dont titan hunt are complaining that its not fair. These are probably the same people with 30 toolbars in their browser wondering why they are so slow. In fact, it seems like the majority of the people posting in this thread dont even really know what lightwalk and titanstride did.
Is it possible that there are rogue or edited versions of these scripts out there? Absolutely. Ban all the scripts. I dont care. But dont force people to switch to a slower but more aestheticly pleasing map system. As of right now, it does take a certain amount of skill to move around. ITS ALL ABOUT THE KEYSTROKES AND BABY I STROKE THEM GOOD. The new map system is point and click. Wheres the skill in that? If I wanted to point and click I would go play with my camera. You are basically taking any "skill" out of titan hunting by going to the new map system and adding additional hours to the hunt.
Finally, heres whats going to happen. People will get excited about titan hunting again because theres no more "cheaters". People will go out expecting to get a slew of kills but the bottom line is that there are still fast titan hunters, scripts or no scripts. Faster than you, faster than me. They will get discouraged and in 3 weeks we will be right back where we started. Stop getting discouraged. Grab some of your guildmates and burn more than 1000 stam instead of crying about a level playing field. Why are only 3-4 guilds getting most of the drops? Probably because they are out there by themselves because of this type of attitude. /end rant
tl;dr
you suck
#218
fs_kaykayy
Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:31
2-3 guilds have controlled titan hunts for a long time , just give the right to other guilds to participate in this part of the game!!
#219
fs_ragingwave
Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:33
I don't see the point...? Of course a skilled player with a faster connection will beat you - he SHOULD beat you. But when unskilled players with slower connections can now beat these skilled players with fast connections, it's nothing more than putting a cap on efficiency. Only those who exceeded that cap will suffer; noone benefits, but it seems that some people enjoy watching others suffer.That's funniest thing i ever heard... i hunted titans before u even know there's a titans... i know exactly how to hunt titans... i have 200ms ping to FS Can i beat a skilled player with less than 100ms ping? for sure cant. this is just Ignorance attitude
Take a look at the titan log. What has changed? The same guilds are securing - what's this nonsense about promoting more guilds to participate in titan hunts?
With TitanStride, the benefits of modifying computers is there, yes. But without TitanStride, the benefit of a faster connection is even more unfair to others. It takes away the grey zones, you're correct. There are no longer any players who can put up a fight that're not the best of the best; everyone is now at the bottom, where the majority are, or at the top.I will agree to whatever make things simple and fairer to the ALL users.
As many have said already, it is not so much about installing a feature as much as modifying it and getting more out of it. And usually this knowledge favours the geeks..
Even more while I do understand why an arena player is better than another by looking at his score, I never quite understood why some guy with a faster connection should be considered special just cause they happen to be closer to a server or they have a super fast connection or they have the ''know how'' on modifying their PC to run faster.. Especially since what we v been talking about here has been one of the most profitable aspects of the game ever since I can remember.
Banning all the scripts and making the new map work properly is the only way to reset the counter and take away the grey zones in Titan hunting.
#220
fs_ragingwave
Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:34
Other guilds do have the right to participate. It's not the securing guilds' fault if they're not able to put up an adequate fight. Removing TitanStride actually CONTRIBUTES to the domination of larger/more active titan hunting guilds, since they can afford to station more people around the map, where distance to the spawn is key. You won't stand a CHANCE. Not by yourself, not with 1 guildmate, not with 2 guildmates.you guys still defending the Titan scripts? Why??
2-3 guilds have controlled titan hunts for a long time , just give the right to other guilds to participate in this part of the game!!
Is this good enough proof?
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