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#41 Assasin240

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 00:18

I am trying to be fair also. I disliked pieces in past rounds but I never slammed the artists like those two did. I think Wes did a amazing job on the piece and it fit the song perfectly but instead they just focused on slamming it and calling Wes out.

C/1 I just do not like this the snake is very poorly done and does not look like it belongs there . while the image fits with the song i feel it's similarity to tineye searches (14 results) shows how little work was actually done to produce this entry.


C: I give this one about a 2 as everone else is gushing over it i will explain myself.. while searching for my own avi's i have seen tineye's site myself.. an gee what a remarkable resemlence there is for his avi to look like the one being promoted right now... theirs does not have the snake... ok so you did some work... errrrrrrrr where is the snakes tail? seems to be missing ?
but yes your music and your avi go very well togeather that is a given.. but i dont give points for lack of work... this is about Avi MAKING at least the others made their own.

Zizzwyly even said it fits the piece but slammed Wes by saying little work was done. Then Swift following Zizzwyly's vote repeated the same thing and said it was unoriginal. It's not like this entire contest is about photo manipulation, simple entries have made it far in the past with no one slamming it. I am just defending Wes since I know outside the GGT anyone else would be defending Wes if someone slammed his piece like that. However people are just letting it slide.

Also as DarkWillie said it only affects Wes and Grimm's standing. It depends on what Zukira does and if both artists want a bonus round.

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#42 Godblade75

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:25

Hey guys, let's redo the whole GGT 6. :D

Jokes.
On a more serious note, though I believe Wes's piece does have ample work done, those two votes should be counted. As Kay said, there is no proof they have any malicious intent. As for redoing this round, I would say no. Each new round is held, there will be similar setbacks or trolls. If, however, a bonus round is deemed necessary, Athdenald should still participate. If Grimm and Wes are redoing theirs because we think people are purposely voting wrongly, then we could simply say people are voting wrongly on all the pieces, therefore affecting Athdenald similarly. As for voting for your friends, we will simply have to trust that no one is. I don't know who you were referring to, but not many artists have close personal relationships irl. (with a few exceptions)

Playing devil's advocate here though as I believe this case is debatable: Swift12 specifically stated that he was only giving Wes a 2 because everyone else was "gushing" over it. Is it considered derailing if he specifically took off points because he wanted to level the playing field? I don't know, but it's certainly not the norm, so I thought I'd bring that up.

I'd like to here swift, zizzwyly, Grimm and Wes speak their opinions rather than people who this competition no longer influences.

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#43 Kontiki

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 12:26

Playing devil's advocate here though as I believe this case is debatable: Swift12 specifically stated that he was only giving Wes a 2 because everyone else was "gushing" over it. Is it considered derailing if he specifically took off points because he wanted to level the playing field? I don't know, but it's certainly not the norm, so I thought I'd bring that up.

I'd like to here swift, zizzwyly, Grimm and Wes speak their opinions rather than people who this competition no longer influences.

Swift is a she and what she "specifically" said depends on where you decide to place the missing full stop punctuation. ;)

C: I give this one about a 2 as everone else is gushing over it i will explain myself..

When the community is asked to vote, everyone will vote based on the information given to them and their background knowledge. I must say I'm disagreeing with a lot of comments made during the GGT, many of them made by other artists, and it annoys me sometimes that people cant see what I see. But its no reason to ask for the votes to be removed.

If I had voted this round at the best of my ability, and it was not counted because someone felt offended by the reason I was asked to provide, I would be strongly discouraged from ever voting again and would not recommend doing so to other people...

#44 Wesleysdf

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 13:19

Ok, since I had this conversation I guess he/she had enough time to edit or speak something here
Some of you already saw this but many not.

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I really wound't mind if he/she rated the piece "4/10, I just disliked it"

Again, I'm up for whatever Zukira decides when she gets on :wink:

#45 LadyPike

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 13:49

seriousely?! ...you contacted person(s) who gave you low score? just to explain?! there's nothing to explain...I got low scores in rounds too that I didn't think were fair in my opinion. Did it bother me? Yes. Did I message them about it? No...you are not suppose to do that AT ALL...if I was a host, you'd be punished for that...you weren't suppose to be in this round anyway...your entry in previous round should have been disqualified since it wasn't really an 'eye based' entry (mine too, since I didn't finish it and has no text)...who ever needed/wanted to see what has been done to any entry should have asked Zukira for original stock or take some effort like I did...must say you suprised me with this and I'm really disapponted in you...

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#46 Wesleysdf

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:04

First of all, this is my 2nd ggt and the first one I was in I barely paid much attention to the details.
I've saw many of the votes like this one on this ggt...and no "pms are not allowed" rule :/

C - 5/10 hmm, i have to say i partially agree with this piece 'lacking' in more ways then one. if you want a full explanation of why i scored it so low pm me.




If I knew it would be that bad I would never had pmed she

#47 Assasin240

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:11

Sending pm's is not that major. I have received pm's and edited votes due to things I overlooked and I know others have also. Explaining your piece is not bad.

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Looking at these swift says a 7 is good for the piece, expect for the head. If s/he said a 7 is what C is worth then why give it a 2/10? It depends on Zukira, judging from the screen shot s/he admitted its worth a 7 but still gave it a 2/10...

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#48 Godblade75

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:23

PMs are allowed dude. I've received two, but haven't sent any in return. I do, however, agree that Wes's piece for round 5 didn't meet the criteria so he should have been appropriately penalized. (Zukira stated that the maximum size was half the face) As an artist, you're obligated to read the requirements. Overall, the GGT's rules MUST be clearer in the future. Things like:
-Are PMs allowed?
-Can we edit our votes?
-What is considered a "troll" vote?
-Will original stocks be required?

MUST be included. This will prevent all the disarray that has turned this from a friendly competition to flame. Also, not to pressure Zukira in any way, but we should pick a more forum-active host next competition. They have to be around to settle disputes like this with fast replies/rules. No offense Zukira.

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#49 Kontiki

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:30

I think the issue with trying to influence votes is that some artists would see it as unethical and logically assume its not allowed, thus it could likely give the ones doing it an unfair advantage in the contest...

#50 LadyPike

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:33

so, Assa, you suggest that everybody ask artist everything about their piece before they vote or they should vote and then edit their votes later depending on who sent the best explanation?

non existing rule about no pm is just common curtesy and personaly I would never change my vote no matter what explanation someone provide, or ask anyone to change their vote because they 'missed' something only artist knows about...

EDIT: I agree with GB

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#51 Wesleysdf

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:35

PMs are allowed dude. I've received two, but haven't sent any in return. I do, however, agree that Wes's piece for round 5 didn't meet the criteria so he should have been appropriately penalized. (Zukira stated that the maximum size was half the face) As an artist, you're obligated to read the requirements.

This was my pm sending the entry for that round, I had a feeling it could be not what she was asking for so I checked

So this is what I came up with one of those stocks I sent you.
Its ok with the sideface art theme?


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And her reply

yeah, looks cool :)

I would happily had make another if she said the entry was not allowed


Overall, the GGT's rules MUST be clearer in the future. Things like:
-Are PMs allowed?
-Can we edit our votes?
-What is considered a "troll" vote?
-Will original stocks be required?

MUST be included. This will prevent all the disarray that has turned this from a friendly competition to flame. Also, not to pressure Zukira in any way, but we should pick a more forum-active host next competition. They have to be around to settle disputes like this with fast replies/rules. No offense Zukira.

I totally agree with you. And I'm pretty sure Zukira must be facing some real life problems, I hope she is ok

#52 Grimmhawk

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:38

I think the issue with trying to influence votes is that some artists would see it as unethical and logically assume its not allowed

That's my opinion on it. It's something I'd never do no matter how unfair I thought the original vote I'd gotten was. Unless the voter asks to be pm'd about their vote.

I do think the rules for the GGT should be more clearly defined on what's allowed and not allowed in future ones.

#53 LadyPike

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:40

I'm gonna host the next one and give you all HELL :P

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#54 Assasin240

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:43

so, Assa, you suggest that everybody ask artist everything about their piece before they vote or they should vote and then edit their votes later depending on who sent the best explanation?

non existing rule about no pm is just common curtesy and personaly I would never change my vote no matter what explanation someone provide, or ask anyone to change their vote because they 'missed' something only artist knows about...

I don't mind when artists send me pm's about my vote. I base all of my votes on what the theme of the rounds was. If I get a message and I notice that I overlooked something that fits with the piece I will go back and edit my vote to give the artist a fair vote.

The point I am trying to make is that those 2 missed the theme of voting completely. You were suppose to judge how well the piece fit the song. One of them even said it fits the song but instead decided to slam the piece. If they said "I give it a 1/10 I just did not like the piece as much as the others", that would be fine since it was a honest vote but slamming the piece and calling the artist out on it was going far. Huge pot aside, I know if this was not the GGT and someone slammed a piece other artists would be there to defend.

If you do not like pm's I can understand since everyone has different preferences but, I am not sure if it is sarcasm or not, swift stated in the pm that C is worth 7/10 and still gave it 2/10. I simply want some clarity on it, and the only reason I brought this up when it ended was because Zukira quoted herself on troll votes not being counted.

I am going to stop posting since I believe we should not be arguing like this in the final round. I was just making my point about how the voters attacked Wes and also admitted it was worth a higher score. Ultimately this depends on what Zukira plans to do when she gets on.



I'm gonna host the next one and give you all HELL :P

Nope I called dibs on it weeks ago, ask Wes :lol:

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#55 artistgorn

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:48

Aren't we all getting a little bit over with this? I don't quite understand the problem we have right now...

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#56 LadyPike

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:49

I'm gonna host the next one and give you all HELL :P

Nope I called dibs on it weeks ago, ask Wes :lol:


yeah...ask Wes :P Wes this Wes that...give Wes a break...wanna fight for it? graphics, of course ;)

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#57 Assasin240

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:52

Aren't we all getting a little bit over with this? I don't quite understand the problem we have right now...

Beats me I kinda lost track halfway...We will just let Zukira handle all this arguing :lol:








I'm gonna host the next one and give you all HELL :P

Nope I called dibs on it weeks ago, ask Wes :lol:


yeah...ask Wes :P Wes this Wes that...give Wes a break...wanna fight for it? graphics, of course ;)

Lol no fair the host shouldn't be based on graphics skills :P
How about whoever calls it first?

Me I call :D

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#58 LadyPike

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:54

how about me being a lady and you being a gentleman...lol :P

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#59 Assasin240

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 14:57

how about me being a lady and you being a gentleman...lol :P

The old gentleman trick eh?
Lets see if I turn a ladys request down I will seem like a jerk....
I see no way for winning this without being a jerk :lol:


Uh let Wes decided? :lol: :lol:

(If you want me to leave you alone wes let me know :P )
Edit: Fine Wes :P

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#60 LadyPike

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 15:05

meh...don't like easy win...let's see what's gonna happen in December...but, it would be nice to host it instead of participating and bitching to my husband and my kid about low votes I'm getting :P

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