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#241 Uralus

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 15:32

Gold tournies don't have decay, and some of them take more than a week to fill. How long will a tournie that has a price that does not even sell for 1 FSP and cost 200K gold take to fill without decay?



#242 Belaric

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 15:44

There is the noob section in the arena, for 0-50 wins, so extending the arena to those without medals gets that to 100 wins, might make a difference, help people get their feet under them...

 

I think it is harsh to blame 'arena masters' for the arena's woes. They can't help the fact that they really liked this aspect of the game and got really good at it, and had to, because the competition was fierce at one time!

 

The net effect now is less experienced and less well equipped players are going to lose to the experienced ones 50/50 times until they alter tactics, or gear up appropriately. Question now is does the arena offer enough of a ROI to justify the expense of buying the necessary gear - if you can work out what that is?

 

This is an aspect of the game that has become a victim of its own success - the best practitioners driving out the lesser through nothing other than their own excellence. This fact has been exacerbated by the 'decay' pardoning the pun, in attention given to the arena. If the arena had been more actively maintained I think more opportunities for players of all skill levels may have persisted longer, but now it is a closed shop because those who are still interested in the few things remaining that are worthwhile, are all heavy hitters, and any nooblets get crushed.

 

And arena, even with reduced rewards, is still profitable for those who have made the long term investment. So there is an incentive to keep playing even with reduced activity, it just means that less prepared players have very little chance of breaking in. ROI again. I've thought about it and gone, "nah..." I thought about doing the moves arenas for my first 50 wins. Choosing one level band in the arena and gearing up for it and only entering there, and learning my trade, that is how I'd do it if I was going to give it a shot. And, if I start being competitive I would use any small profits to slowly expand my gear repertoire into other level ranges and try to compete in those also. But... I'd probably be that guy losing 50 times on the trot to Shin and bow out!!


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#243 yodamus

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 16:29

arena masters refuse to accept the idea of having a few, i say 10%, of arena's geared only for the noobies..they dont want them to get any good prizes and demand that they play against everyone just like they did, everytime i mention something to that nature i get flamed.....that is the probelm..refusal to change..this thread is now close to 1 and 1/2 years old...that shows how little attention arena has received from the cows...1 and 1/2 years and nothing..hopefully soon they will do something..well past the date they were supposed to do something..new prizes..new entry fees...new setups...much needed



#244 Uralus

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 16:53

mmm, it is not completely impossible to beat "arena masters". i played some arena when it came out, but then I stopped playing for a long time. I only just started FS again this christmass, and I only just started playing arena again half januari. All my old gear was outdated, and I lost a lot, but now I got some new gear, and i think i am doing quiet well. I got 250 wins since i started playing again...It does take a lot of time studying the moves, what it says they do, and what they really do, because not all they do is written in the description. Some things you discover by using it.



#245 BigGrim

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 11:30

New prizes are needed now.,..not later

 

Incorrect. New prizes are needed when the Arena is overhauled otherwise we have the same problem when that occurs. As for the dates in the Dev Roadmap? They are Approximate dates. Saying we're well past and we don't care is inaccurate. Some things take a little longer or are pushed back due to fixes being made to game wide issues such as the Google Chrome tooltip issue or server migration.



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Posted 19 February 2014 - 12:21

Those that dominate arena currently will continue to dominate & rack up huge profits while fair weather participents gather crumbs.  Make the potential prizes purchased using these coins bound; crystal, and low durability (like 40 or 60) -add new catagory into the fragmenting + ability to break these items down - frags collected diminish with durability of gear + add new potions needing arena frags.  I just don't want to see another means of mass production sales for people already monopolizing the venue.



#247 Ryebred

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 12:23

I think you guys are working hard devs - more headway, and positive change has happened this past year then in the last few combined.  I like direction game is heading personally



#248 Uralus

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 14:28

Arena is one of the few places where low level players can compete with high level players on even terms.

 

I really don't understand why so few low level players play it. They can specialise in 1 level band, but very few do this. It is mainly the same players you see in all the levels.

 

It is not as hard as people seem to think. Yes, you will loose a lot, but that is the nature of the arena. If 8 people join, then 7 will loose. All arena players loose a lot. Even the the players that win a lot. They also loose a lot.



#249 yodamus

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 15:52

Arena is one of the few places where low level players can compete with high level players on even terms.

 

I really don't understand why so few low level players play it. They can specialise in 1 level band, but very few do this. It is mainly the same players you see in all the levels.

 

It is not as hard as people seem to think. Yes, you will loose a lot, but that is the nature of the arena. If 8 people join, then 7 will loose. All arena players loose a lot. Even the the players that win a lot. They also loose a lot.

+1..but losing a lot and losing 100% of the time are different..



#250 yotwehc

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 19:49

Arena is one of the few places where low level players can compete with high level players on even terms.

 

I really don't understand why so few low level players play it. They can specialise in 1 level band, but very few do this. It is mainly the same players you see in all the levels.

 

It is not as hard as people seem to think. Yes, you will loose a lot, but that is the nature of the arena. If 8 people join, then 7 will loose. All arena players loose a lot. Even the the players that win a lot. They also loose a lot.

Because never winning is not fun... not sure what I do wrong. I did semi decently in novice but when you get destroyed in regular arena, it's because the "specialist" are just that and their is no room for non-specialist. If I got something... like 1 tiny token that gets me 0.1% of my way to a useless item, then i may be more inclined to grind my way through. Asking for advice gets you no where since it's a closely guarded secret by the specialists... if there were a rock-paper-scissor or 50/50 arena, i would join that as at least i have a chance.



#251 Uralus

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 07:45

I don't exactly know about secrets in the arena. I don't think there are secrets, but you can always ask me for advice. I have even send advice to players that I meet in the arena, but they hardly ever even answer. All the info is there, you just need to read the description properly, and understand what is written. Also look at the completed tournies to see what the moves do. In completed tournies you can also see what type of setup different people use. If you see in a particular level band that 7 out of 10 use a defence setup, then add more attack in your own setup. It is a lot trail and error. People can give you advice, but you have to figure it out yourself. Move arena's are rock-paper-scissor, only there are more than 3 moves. Some moves are better than others, and some are better with certain setups, while others are better with other setups.  If you always loose, then you are doing something wrong, and it means you must change something. Also there is a lot of luck in the arena, and there is no winning setup. For every setup there is another that beats it. When people sell you a winning setup, then don't get it. It is most likely a setup that is used by lots of players, and it is better to get a setup that beats that winning setup.


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#252 yotwehc

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 07:55

I don't exactly know about secrets in the arena. I don't think there are secrets, but you can always ask me for advice. I have even send advice to players that I meet in the arena, but they hardly ever even answer. All the info is there, you just need to read the description properly, and understand what is written. Also look at the completed tournies to see what the moves do. In completed tournies you can also see what type of setup different people use. If you see in a particular level band that 7 out of 10 use a defence setup, then add more attack in your own setup. It is a lot trail and error. People can give you advice, but you have to figure it out yourself. Move arena's are rock-paper-scissor, only there are more than 3 moves. Some moves are better than others, and some are better with certain setups, while others are better with other setups. If you always loose, then you are doing something wrong, and it means you must change something. Also there is a lot of luck in the arena, and there is no winning setup. For every setup there is another that beats it. When people sell you a winning setup, then don't get it. It is most likely a setup that is used by lots of players, and it is better to get a setup that beats that winning setup.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, I could learn a lot by looking at completed battles but my understanding was you can't actually see what the participants were wearing. Most of the pro players change gear after they have entree the arena? Some even cloak do you can't see what they are doing. Am I wrong?

#253 Uralus

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 08:11

Ofcourse they change setup. I go back to my stam gain setup, and sometimes i am trying different things. Sometimes I put up gear and then go to arena to see what the stats would be, but don't actually enter. Just playing around. If you just look at the completed tournies you know what type of setup they use. Sometimes when I get beat in the arena,  i wonder how did they hit me there, then I go search in the guide to see what gear they could have used, and you can quite accurately guess what they were wearing (not all gear is in the wiki - the official guide is more complete).



#254 yotwehc

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 19:26

Ofcourse they change setup. I go back to my stam gain setup, and sometimes i am trying different things. Sometimes I put up gear and then go to arena to see what the stats would be, but don't actually enter. Just playing around. If you just look at the completed tournies you know what type of setup they use. Sometimes when I get beat in the arena, i wonder how did they hit me there, then I go search in the guide to see what gear they could have used, and you can quite accurately guess what they were wearing (not all gear is in the wiki - the official guide is more complete).

I guess I'm not smart enough for arena. When I look at completed ones, I have absolutely no idea what they may have been wearing. Oh well.

#255 shindrak

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 21:36

I guess I'm not smart enough for arena. When I look at completed ones, I have absolutely no idea what they may have been wearing. Oh well.

Play more and more and more then you will be expert even you lost ...then you will figure what they might have used :)



#256 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 03:06

The best way is to ask for help of a player on your guild who play Arena. I did that and I'm liking Arena a lot, beating some "experts" there.

There is no secret, you just need to lose a LOT...I believe I have losted 1000+ times, easily,  and have only 126 Arenas wins.



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:22

I totally second that idea. It has been suggested before and it had positive feedback from Hoof. I think it was forgotten though, I hope it gets some focus again after sexy me +1ed it :P



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:31

Lol, just realized that this is the same 2 year old thread that i was speaking about in my previous post. :blink:

 

Glad to see that it is still alive and that it got so much positive feedback. I can already see the Arena Bazaar open where you can buy arena rewards for token :)



#259 yotwehc

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:35

Play more and more and more then you will be expert even you lost ...then you will figure what they might have used :)

 

 

The best way is to ask for help of a player on your guild who play Arena. I did that and I'm liking Arena a lot, beating some "experts" there.

There is no secret, you just need to lose a LOT...I believe I have losted 1000+ times, easily,  and have only 126 Arenas wins.

It will be easier to lose lots and lots if I was making some kind of progress... You know what the definition of crazy is right? That is what Arena is...



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Posted 23 February 2014 - 02:20

It will be easier to lose lots and lots if I was making some kind of progress... You know what the definition of crazy is right? That is what Arena is...

and you need to be crazy like arena ^_^ Progress might not come if you lose lots and just complain about your lose




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