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#21 Filletminion

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:17

First time I have seen this thread.

My concerns regarding the new buffs are this,

If we are going to add buffs to increase armor and def we need to think of their impact on the game.

Currently its possible with standard buffs and pots in game to get 32k armor and 40 k defence with NMV rendering dc of any level useless.

Now we have some proposed new buffs that are going to increase these numbers by 35% which means players will be virtually immune to attack on the bb unless it is done by eoc players.

In times gone past players in the pvp element of the game used to accept and thrive on the challenges of clearing players hundreds of levels higher than them..These buffs will remove the possibility of that occurring unless they accept 2% wins and ps ch wins or shatter armor activations at 8.75 %. and then they need to hope that other buffs do not activate to prevent their win...

Simply put I am against many of the new buffs because they remove risk from the game for a group of players who happen to be at Eoc.

And I believe Risk is what created the rivalries that made this game thrive a few years back. It certainly does not make any sense to me to remove it.

#22 Undjuvion

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:42

First time I have seen this thread.

My concerns regarding the new buffs are this,

If we are going to add buffs to increase armor and def we need to think of their impact on the game.

Currently its possible with standard buffs and pots in game to get 32k armor and 40 k defence with NMV rendering dc of any level useless.

Now we have some proposed new buffs that are going to increase these numbers by 35% which means players will be virtually immune to attack on the bb unless it is done by eoc players.

In times gone past players in the pvp element of the game used to accept and thrive on the challenges of clearing players hundreds of levels higher than them..These buffs will remove the possibility of that occurring unless they accept 2% wins and ps ch wins or shatter armor activations at 8.75 %. and then they need to hope that other buffs do not activate to prevent their win...

Simply put I am against many of the new buffs because they remove risk from the game for a group of players who happen to be at Eoc.

And I believe Risk is what created the rivalries that made this game thrive a few years back. It certainly does not make any sense to me to remove it.



David : 0.05% increase to attack and damage for every 200 levels you are below your opponent(PvP only) ??

#23 Filletminion

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 13:17

First time I have seen this thread.

My concerns regarding the new buffs are this,

If we are going to add buffs to increase armor and def we need to think of their impact on the game.

Currently its possible with standard buffs and pots in game to get 32k armor and 40 k defence with NMV rendering dc of any level useless.

Now we have some proposed new buffs that are going to increase these numbers by 35% which means players will be virtually immune to attack on the bb unless it is done by eoc players.

In times gone past players in the pvp element of the game used to accept and thrive on the challenges of clearing players hundreds of levels higher than them..These buffs will remove the possibility of that occurring unless they accept 2% wins and ps ch wins or shatter armor activations at 8.75 %. and then they need to hope that other buffs do not activate to prevent their win...

Simply put I am against many of the new buffs because they remove risk from the game for a group of players who happen to be at Eoc.

And I believe Risk is what created the rivalries that made this game thrive a few years back. It certainly does not make any sense to me to remove it.



David : 0.05% increase to attack and damage for every 200 levels you are below your opponent(PvP only) ??



Would it not make sense to not add the buffs in the first place and avoid the need to add yet more buffs which create even more issues ?

#24 Maehdros

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 13:29

I have absolutely nothing against the new armor and defense boosting buffs, as KE gives insane attack numbers, and SH gives insane damage numbers.

Armor needed a boost in my opinion, especially since the introduction of smashing hammer.Defense needed one as well, NMV is so common you rarely see anyone using defense without it due to the strength of KE. With all the new sets coming out heavy in attack and/ or damage, armor/ defense needed some help.

I am however strongly against a buff such as dispel curse which completely negates a defense reducing buff(dark curse). Its quite possibly the most over powering buff in pvp ( just my opinion) especially with a 35% activation rate.



The additional new buffs all seem pretty interesting, pvp, leveling, groups, buff levels and SE bonus buffs etc. I just hope they come out soon. :mrgreen:

#25 Filletminion

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 23:06

I have absolutely nothing against the new armor and defense boosting buffs, as KE gives insane attack numbers, and SH gives insane damage numbers.

Armor needed a boost in my opinion, especially since the introduction of smashing hammer.Defense needed one as well, NMV is so common you rarely see anyone using defense without it due to the strength of KE. With all the new sets coming out heavy in attack and/ or damage, armor/ defense needed some help.

I am however strongly against a buff such as dispel curse which completely negates a defense reducing buff(dark curse). Its quite possibly the most over powering buff in pvp ( just my opinion) especially with a 35% activation rate.



The additional new buffs all seem pretty interesting, pvp, leveling, groups, buff levels and SE bonus buffs etc. I just hope they come out soon. :mrgreen:



If I recall correctly when Dispel was added you were like awesome same as Golden Shield and High Guard yet now because they are "luck" buffs you think they should not be in the game.Do you really think we should make the same mistake again ?

Adding the proposed Armor and Defense boosting buffs will kill a part of the game you used to enjoy which is what made you the player you are today..do you really want to stop lower level players from accepting and clearing your bounties ?Because that is what these buffs will do.

#26 Maehdros

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:02

I have absolutely nothing against the new armor and defense boosting buffs, as KE gives insane attack numbers, and SH gives insane damage numbers.

Armor needed a boost in my opinion, especially since the introduction of smashing hammer.Defense needed one as well, NMV is so common you rarely see anyone using defense without it due to the strength of KE. With all the new sets coming out heavy in attack and/ or damage, armor/ defense needed some help.

I am however strongly against a buff such as dispel curse which completely negates a defense reducing buff(dark curse). Its quite possibly the most over powering buff in pvp ( just my opinion) especially with a 35% activation rate.



The additional new buffs all seem pretty interesting, pvp, leveling, groups, buff levels and SE bonus buffs etc. I just hope they come out soon. :mrgreen:



If I recall correctly when Dispel was added you were like awesome same as Golden Shield and High Guard yet now because they are "luck" buffs you think they should not be in the game.Do you really think we should make the same mistake again ?

Adding the proposed Armor and Defense boosting buffs will kill a part of the game you used to enjoy which is what made you the player you are today..do you really want to stop lower level players from accepting and clearing your bounties ?Because that is what these buffs will do.



I don't see pvp being killed due to these buffs. If that was the case more would be on the forums outraged at them.


I was excited about buffs ( which in the case of dispel was, due to defense being so weak), then had a change of opinion on them after experiencing them first hand along with the randomness of them (since they are chance buffs).



The difference is, these new boosting buffs are stat buffs. Players can see what they are hitting ( unless cloaked). They aren't chance buffs, luck buffs as they are called. I used to relish clearing players whom I needed a shatter, pierce ,crit or shield strike to defeat ( and that was when I was smaller and before SH) Bounties, gvg, pvp, will always be difficult for certain leveled players, whether it be due to lack of gear,potions, buffs, relics, lack of being high enough level or lack of skill.

For example I could LOVE these new buffs and they may end up making pvp more difficult.OR if the shoe was on the other foot, I could strongly dislike the new buffs yet they may not cause a big detriment at all. Only time will tell.

Give the new buffs some time ( once they are released) and see what happens. We could debate all day back and forth and it wont matter because neither of us have experience with them or any actual feedback from others in the community to rely on ( experience wise) since these buffs are not even in the game yet.

#27 shindrak

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 13:48

Give the new buffs some time ( once they are released) and see what happens. We could debate all day back and forth and it wont matter because neither of us have experience with them or any actual feedback from others in the community to rely on ( experience wise) since these buffs are not even in the game yet.

Agreed about this...

and I don't think buffs boosting armor and defense will kill pvp... instead it will make it balanced and more interesting as it atm just need 1-3 hits to kill opponents with all super attack/damage buffs and gears

#28 Filletminion

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 02:16

Damn I wish people would learn how to quote correctly,I never said these new buffs will kill PVP I did say these buffs will stop lower level players from accepting EOC bounties..And if you think that is good for the game well its no wonder player numbers continue to decline.

#29 shindrak

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:30

Damn I wish people would learn how to quote correctly,I never said these new buffs will kill PVP I did say these buffs will stop lower level players from accepting EOC bounties..And if you think that is good for the game well its no wonder player numbers continue to decline.

They are already never accept high level players bounties :P Don't forget how strong is fist fight buff


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