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#1 MecKILL

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 09:10

I just harvested 106 log and 41 Wood Sap.  That is less than half and I end up selling off the extra logs for chump change.

 

Can we get Wood Sap raised to around 45% to 50% OR change the price of market Wood Sap from 5S to 5C?

I do not mind paying a little to buy extra Wood Sap but 5 silver each is just to much.

 

 

 

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#2 evilbry

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 09:28

 

Can we get Wood Sap raised to around 100% OR change the price of market Wood Sap from 5S to 5C?

I do not mind paying a little to buy extra Wood Sap but 5 silver each is just to much.

 

 

 

I think the items from the market are a bit expensive and agree with this sentiment



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:22

There is very little currency pressure in Eldevin, get your level up... 5 gold becomes chump change.

 

If you are concerned with raising your forestry skill, it would've been wise to turn in logs at the apprentice trainer- In which case you would no longer be short on wood sap when the quest shifted to timber.  If you wanted timber for raising weaponsmithing (doesn't sound like that since you just vendored the extra logs) then you should be prepared for both a time and currency investment, because you will need to purchase the sap (from NPC or players).  

 

The items from the market should be more expensive if anything.  Items like raw fish/meat, forageables, farming crops, and prepared food should have their prices increased at least 10x.  Wood sap (also coal/wool/crystal poweder/animal skin) could use a 4x price hike.  Make plenty of room for players to sell the items at a range of prices.

 

With the NPC offering sap at 5s, that does not leave much room for people to undercut each other and still make it worthwhile.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:41

i agree with a raise of prices actually.

 

like Loaf said there will be no profit margin once there is a market in place for those wanting to sell components and stuff.

 

also i did two levels of skinning yesterday buying hams and soft meat, handing it over to the apprentice for the quest and ended up with more cash then i started, it should have cost me money since i was too lazy to hunt for meat and hams.

 

on the other hand they might want to up the drop rate a bit of that sap so you at least get enough to make planks. skinning gives me twice the amount of animal skin i need. or at least i think i need, not sure if i can use it for anything else then making leather.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 19:21

You need 1 Wood Sap per 2 Logs.

Why on Earth would you want to raise it with 45% to 50%???

In that case you would get much more Wood Sap than you need, and the vendors will never have to sell Wood Sap to the players any longer.

 

Getting a little less wood sap than you require to turn all logs into timber is ok in my opinion.

If you want to make timber from the few excess logs then you can buy the wood sap from the vendors at a price.

If you think that price is too high then you can sell the excess logs to vendors or other players for a profit and continue cutting trees.

 

I don't really see a problem here... :huh:


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#6 Yeno

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 01:43

I see a problem. New players quitting because the game wants them to shell out real cash over and above the monthly subscription cost to raise a skill at level one. Level one! I see a really big problem here. Look at the servers and the population. It's Saturday and there aren't even a hundred players online across the 3 servers.

 

I just spent hours mining and wanted to get rid of some timber but guess what, I didn't have enough sap. Am I supposed to shove the extra logs somewhere? Players are going to get sick of the "shell out money at every turn" ploy really fast.

 

I didn't mind buying the extra storage slots and bags from the store but now they're asking me to shell out money for components because they purposefully didn't make enough sap drop? That could be a major reason this game is going nowhere fast.

 

Yeah, I see a really big problem and the answer to that problem isn't forcing me to play like you do and wait. And the answer certainly isn't insulting my intelligence by creating such an obvious "real money" sink.


Edited by Yeno, 26 January 2014 - 01:45.


#7 ComradeLewis

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 02:23

I don't get the problem. I have always sold the extras to the vendor to comp some of the losses to process them into timber. Why exactly do we need a perfect ration of 2:1? You are effectively complaining about Crystal Cutting as well, since it functions on the same ratio system. Is this an OCD issue?


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Posted 26 January 2014 - 12:17

I see a problem. New players quitting because the game wants them to shell out real cash over and above the monthly subscription cost to raise a skill at level one. Level one! I see a really big problem here.


Um, what? What are you talking about?
 

Look at the servers and the population. It's Saturday and there aren't even a hundred players online across the 3 servers.


What does this have to do with Wood Sap?
 

I just spent hours mining and wanted to get rid of some timber but guess what, I didn't have enough sap. Am I supposed to shove the extra logs somewhere? Players are going to get sick of the "shell out money at every turn" ploy really fast.

Yes, you're supposed to shove them somewhere. Sell to a vendor. (And where do you shove the timber, anyway?)  It's the same with Crystal Cutting, you may not get enough Crystal Powder, and with Skinning you'll usually have more hides than Animal Skin. Selling the unprocessed stuff (logs, quartz, hides) you earn more from vendors than selling the created stuff (timber, stones, leather).

How would buying premium currency with real money help you get more Wood Sap?

 

I didn't mind buying the extra storage slots and bags from the store but now they're asking me to shell out money for components because they purposefully didn't make enough sap drop? That could be a major reason this game is going nowhere fast.


You gotta be trolling. It's just impossible how some people pick some minor (perceived) flaws and say that THIS is the reason why this game is completely worthless/totally unplayable/will never get many players/etc.

There is no reason to buy Sap or other components (powder, skins, coal) from vendors, just keep gathering until you have enough. You'll have extra logs/quartz/hides but you can easily sell those.
 

Yeah, I see a really big problem and the answer to that problem isn't forcing me to play like you do and wait. And the answer certainly isn't insulting my intelligence by creating such an obvious "real money" sink.


No one's forcing you to do anything. I don't see how the components thing is so "obviously" a money sink, you're exaggerating.


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Posted 26 January 2014 - 12:30

The forresting quest ask you to turn over 10 logs (for the first level) and 15 logs for the second quest. this will solve your problem with leftover logs nicely.

 

The same is happening with crystall cutting. Use the obselete parts to get some money (selling it to vendor) or more xp (doing dailies).



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Posted 27 January 2014 - 00:03


Double post, pardon.

Edited by Yeno, 27 January 2014 - 00:04.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 00:07

Um, what? What are you talking about?
 


What does this have to do with Wood Sap?
 

Yes, you're supposed to shove them somewhere. Sell to a vendor. (And where do you shove the timber, anyway?)  It's the same with Crystal Cutting, you may not get enough Crystal Powder, and with Skinning you'll usually have more hides than Animal Skin. Selling the unprocessed stuff (logs, quartz, hides) you earn more from vendors than selling the created stuff (timber, stones, leather).

How would buying premium currency with real money help you get more Wood Sap?

 


You gotta be trolling. It's just impossible how some people pick some minor (perceived) flaws and say that THIS is the reason why this game is completely worthless/totally unplayable/will never get many players/etc.

There is no reason to buy Sap or other components (powder, skins, coal) from vendors, just keep gathering until you have enough. You'll have extra logs/quartz/hides but you can easily sell those.
 


No one's forcing you to do anything. I don't see how the components thing is so "obviously" a money sink, you're exaggerating.

 

 


"How would buying premium currency with real money help you get more Wood Sap?"

 


If you have to ask that question then you shouldn't be replying but simply asking THAT question, and THEN replying after you actually know what I'm writing about.

 

You can buy gold chests with the premium currency. That gives you gold to spend in game (you can unlock inventory slots that way as well).

 

You have to realize that new players expect components to drop, and at a rate that doesn't leave them with half their inventory unusable. I unlocked every inventory slot and have the large 49 slot bags there. 8 bags at 49 slots = 392 inventory spaces /2 because the logs take up 2 slots = 196 logs (that stack at 10 each) that I can collect without using my 100 slot main inventory. I have to sell about 1/2 of 196 logs or 98 logs (more like 70 or 80 probably) because enough sap doesn't drop. Lets say 70. That means I have to sell 70  * 10 logs or 700 logs.

 

If I craft, and I tell you that I craft, this is a huge waste. Monumental. And it's insulting to my intelligence to know that I can buy sap for 5 silver each. Do the math. That's about 17 gold I have to spend if I don't want to waste 700 logs, and if you craft I'm sure you'll agree that selling 700 logs is a waste. But I will sell those 700 logs and I will remember that I had to sell them.

 

What you have to remember is that this is a business for the creators, and I know that. And one doesn't need  a genius IQ (or maybe one does) to see that while there are acceptable ways for the creators to help their customers part with their money this way is too obvious and insulting.

 

Now, if you don't believe that I purchased eight 49 slot bags then let an admin ban me from posting.

 

I don't mind creative ways of being asked to part with my cash. This isn't creative. It's blunt and, I repeat, it's insulting to my intelligence.


Edited by Yeno, 27 January 2014 - 00:09.


#12 ComradeLewis

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 03:58

Anyone would be a major fool to purchase EP, buy gold from the shop and then buy sap with it. No one buys sap from the vendor. Maybe that's what this is all about. You are assuming that people do that. It's there for the guy that is 1 or 2 saps short of making their long coveted weapon or shield. It's there for people that don't want to run out of town to cut more trees just to get 1 or 2 more. No one in their right mind buys the sap in order to process all of their wood.

 

So, no it is not as issue about EP or gold. It's only an issue if you have OCD, and feel an intense need to process every single log you gather. Perhaps after, that there would be an intense need to sharpen every pencil to the same length and turn the lights on and off exactly 12 times in a row... but that's not my business.


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#13 ernzor

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 05:28

I have bought a fair few (probably over 200 or so) saps/coal from him over my time prospecting and forestrying (is that how its even said).

 

Just laziness really, lol.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:44

Logs are kinda gigantic. It doesn't "take a genius IQ" to see that Sacks are a much better investment for gathering, rather than huge backpacks and bag slots.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:19

Its ok the way it is ... you can get extra money for selling ur spare logs to vendors or you buy wood sap from vendor / other player.

 

I mostly buy wood sap from Vendor, because gold is like infinite anyway ... and there is no real use for gold except for this + animal skins ... 

 

So sell the spare logs or buy sap from other players if you want to level forestry fast with timber


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:41

This acctually makes Wood Sap valuable to players who wants to buy them. Meaning that a lower level player who dont really need the timber can sell all his Wood Sap to player for a quite good income.
Wood Sap, Crystal Powder and Animal Skin all works nice. There is no problem at all with them.

 

And as mentioned if you chop all these logs and wood sap to level up your forestry, use the extra logs with the dailies and vendor whats left. There is nothing that forces you to buy the extra Wood Sap from the vendor.

 

And I suggest you buy Sacks instead of Backpacks since they offer more for this kind of thing...


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 11:09

I see a problem. New players quitting because the game wants them to shell out real cash over and above the monthly subscription cost to raise a skill at level one. Level one! I see a really big problem here. Look at the servers and the population. It's Saturday and there aren't even a hundred players online across the 3 servers.

 

I just spent hours mining and wanted to get rid of some timber but guess what, I didn't have enough sap. Am I supposed to shove the extra logs somewhere? Players are going to get sick of the "shell out money at every turn" ploy really fast.

 

I didn't mind buying the extra storage slots and bags from the store but now they're asking me to shell out money for components because they purposefully didn't make enough sap drop? That could be a major reason this game is going nowhere fast.

 

Yeah, I see a really big problem and the answer to that problem isn't forcing me to play like you do and wait. And the answer certainly isn't insulting my intelligence by creating such an obvious "real money" sink.

I don't see a problem at all. Paying real money for the game is completely optional, and they don't even shove it down your throat like most free mmo's.

 

You cut some trees and get xp, I don't see how that's so difficult to get past level one.

 

What is your time zone? When are you playing? When I play, there's usually a solid 200 players online across all 3 servers.

 

Also, 5 silver is nothing. Just by doing the vault, I make an easy 1.5g per run (and that counts keeping the flake from the 3rd boss, and not selling it). If anything, it's encouraged to do combat and not just skilling to make some quick money.


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#18 Yeno

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 18:47

So, no it is not as issue about EP or gold. It's only an issue if you have OCD, and feel an intense need to process every single log you gather. Perhaps after, that there would be an intense need to sharpen every pencil to the same length and turn the lights on and off exactly 12 times in a row... but that's not my business.

 

700 logs is a lot of logs not to be able to process, and, yes, every pencil must be the same length. The way to achieve this is to sharpen them down to the eraser. They're small but, voila, the same length!  :P

 

I have bought a fair few (probably over 200 or so) saps/coal from him over my time prospecting and forestrying (is that how its even said).

 

Just laziness really, lol.

 

I can understand buying a bit like you say.

 

Logs are kinda gigantic. It doesn't "take a genius IQ" to see that Sacks are a much better investment for gathering, rather than huge backpacks and bag slots.

 

Thank you for pointing out something I didn't know. I'll have to get a sack and see how they work. They looked small so I thought they couldn't hold as much. Thanks for that information again!

 

Its ok the way it is ... you can get extra money for selling ur spare logs to vendors or you buy wood sap from vendor / other player.

 

I mostly buy wood sap from Vendor, because gold is like infinite anyway ... and there is no real use for gold except for this + animal skins ... 

 

So sell the spare logs or buy sap from other players if you want to level forestry fast with timber

 

Apparently gold becomes easier to obtain at higher levels which was something I didn't know. Thank you. I don't believe a market system exists yet in game. Am I right toI assume people trade via the forums or possibly by shouting in game?

 

This acctually makes Wood Sap valuable to players who wants to buy them. Meaning that a lower level player who dont really need the timber can sell all his Wood Sap to player for a quite good income.
Wood Sap, Crystal Powder and Animal Skin all works nice. There is no problem at all with them.

 

And as mentioned if you chop all these logs and wood sap to level up your forestry, use the extra logs with the dailies and vendor whats left. There is nothing that forces you to buy the extra Wood Sap from the vendor.

 

And I suggest you buy Sacks instead of Backpacks since they offer more for this kind of thing...

 

I'd be more than happy to buy from players. As I stated in an earlier reply I'll look into how I can do that. You are the second to suggest sacks, so thank you too for that advice/tip!

 

I don't see a problem at all. Paying real money for the game is completely optional, and they don't even shove it down your throat like most free mmo's.

 

You cut some trees and get xp, I don't see how that's so difficult to get past level one.

 

What is your time zone? When are you playing? When I play, there's usually a solid 200 players online across all 3 servers.

 

Also, 5 silver is nothing. Just by doing the vault, I make an easy 1.5g per run (and that counts keeping the flake from the 3rd boss, and not selling it). If anything, it's encouraged to do combat and not just skilling to make some quick money.

 

My apologies, there were in fact almost 200 people across the servers at that time.

 

Also, as I stated above, I didn't realize that gold is easier to come by at the higher levels. Thank you for pointing that out!

 

 

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In general my post was directed to the creators of the game. Their concerns are most likely different than all of your concerns, or lack of (I don't say this in any demeaning way).

 

I pointed out how "I" perceived the "sysytem" to be working. If I'm the only one who perceives this issue in this way then there is not much for them to consider as I'm not going to drop tens of thousands of dollars on the game alone. But if a substantial amount of newcomers perceive this as I do, then I've given them some valuable information.

 

And I do wish to thank all of the posters for their replies. You've cleared up a lot of questions that I had. Thank you!


Edited by Yeno, 27 January 2014 - 18:50.


#19 Lagenia

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:15

even on lower levels you can get quite nice money - i always point out Robert_Black here that was a gatherer and sold everything and had 300g allready when reaching level 10.

 

By just selling copper bars / coal / wood sap and so on to other players

 

There is no market yet, but coming soon - lets hope its a good market system :)


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Posted 30 January 2014 - 07:03

I think buying the wood sap is a waste unless you can make a ton more than that regularly if you are a high level doing dungeons.  But by then you probably wouldn't need it unless you didn't craft hardly at all during the leveling which isn't that likely.  So I say also to just not buy the sap from there and sell the excess logs or use it for the daily quests or give them to someone who will use them. 


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