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Poll: Composing Poll (458 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you think we should go ahead and add revision 1.2 of Composing should be added to the game?

  1. Yes (392 votes [85.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.59%

  2. No (66 votes [14.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.41%

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#181 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:37

so the break down here, doesn't mean we have to use the equipment until the durability reach '0', and then it will break automatically, right?

no no, you'll have a special area to choose which items you'll break, like Hell Forge or Crafiting menu..Unless is that what i think...

Heads up to the Cows: I'll be VERY nice if we can have an 'auto-break opition', something like 'auto-break common items', so the items which we earn on hunting can be breaked automaticly from our BP, since we never use any Commom item anyway. That can usefull for when we'e farming Champions, useless Elites, useless legendarys on events, etc.

PS: If that can be implemented, need to take care about quest items, resources, etc.



#182 ventr

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:43

I doubt there will be an option to break things like recipies, bottles, quest items etc. I suppose only "wearable" items will be eglible to be broken into fragments. You can buy epic recipie for gold and break it into epic fragments - that would be really "broken".



#183 tharzill

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 14:23

I doubt there will be an option to break things like recipies, bottles, quest items etc. I suppose only "wearable" items will be eglible to be broken into fragments. You can buy epic recipie for gold and break it into epic fragments - that would be really "broken".

Hoof said on page one:  "6) Only equippable items can be broken down." 



#184 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 16:13

I know, but is just a heads up if the 'auto-breaker' can be implemented...whiat i doubt...



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 16:17

would defeat the gaming aspect of breaking an item down into fragments.. would be a lazy way that had nothing to do with the idea of Composing if stamina could be broken down into fragments. just wouldn't make sense with the idea overall.. 

What is the gaming aspect of breaking an item down into fragments ? Do they make a funny noise when broken ? Do you really think that all the high level players will start running about killing SE for their items ? It is more likely that they will just use FSPs gained through buffing (selling their stamina) to purchase the SE items in AH, except that now it might be that only they will have enough FSPs to do so...  Furthermore, if I remember correctly, one of the main motivations behind the composing idea was to 'revive' the AH by reducing the number of items available.  This seems to suggest that people will buy items for breaking, and guess what ? The price of all crystalline items already jumped... No, I think that adding more ways of doing things will only make the game more interesting and balanced.

 

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#186 Tastria

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 18:11

no no, you'll have a special area to choose which items you'll break, like Hell Forge or Crafiting menu..Unless is that what i think...

Heads up to the Cows: I'll be VERY nice if we can have an 'auto-break opition', something like 'auto-break common items', so the items which we earn on hunting can be breaked automaticly from our BP, since we never use any Commom item anyway. That can usefull for when we'e farming Champions, useless Elites, useless legendarys on events, etc.

PS: If that can be implemented, need to take care about quest items, resources, etc.

Never use any common items?  If you use the "Best Items" calculator you'll find there are more than a few that show up.  I fear you'll throw the baby out with the bathwater if you can automatically break down items. 



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 19:35

Well done Hoof! I believe this will be a great addition to Fallen Sword and I have voted in favor of it, but i still have a small idea i wish to bring to you i believe that for LE items to be implemented we will require more Legendary events otherwise after a short period of time the price of certain Legendary items will fly through the roof!. Something i believe would be a good idea is maybe every Sunday have a legendary event for 1 creature of a certain level but that creature wont be in another legendary event for some time so while we still have a constant flow of legendary creatures to kill it will still leave the value of the items they drop still at a good value for merchants ect. I would love to hear what people think of my idea so be sure to reply to me :)



#188 kalish

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 20:02

Well done Hoof! I believe this will be a great addition to Fallen Sword and I have voted in favor of it, but i still have a small idea i wish to bring to you i believe that for LE items to be implemented we will require more Legendary events otherwise after a short period of time the price of certain Legendary items will fly through the roof!. Something i believe would be a good idea is maybe every Sunday have a legendary event for 1 creature of a certain level but that creature wont be in another legendary event for some time so while we still have a constant flow of legendary creatures to kill it will still leave the value of the items they drop still at a good value for merchants ect. I would love to hear what people think of my idea so be sure to reply to me :)

 

This isn't quite true; since you can forge a legendary item and gain one extra shard for decomposing it, the cost of a low-level, unforged LE item shouldn't go much above 2 FSP, the cost of one forge.

 

 

On another note, the Composing infrastructure can be added gradually rather than having to be all done at once.

1) Add the decomposing/fragments page and allow players to break equipment

2) Decide on the buffs to use

3) Add the composing page

Step 1 can be done relatively soon, even before starting to code step 3.



#189 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 00:39

Never use any common items?  If you use the "Best Items" calculator you'll find there are more than a few that show up.  I fear you'll throw the baby out with the bathwater if you can automatically break down items. 

Of course i know that. 
But with CoA, SH, KE and similars we never really use Commom or Rare items anymore, maybe just in Arenas to fill an empty slot. And the 'auto-breaker' idea will not work from everyone everytime, can be 'opt-in' and'opt-out', whit Composing a lot of players will start to hunt with FI1000 (+ Distill) on every hunt to grab more fragments. Now i have only 23BP spaces, plus holding potions+gear, that let me something around 10- free BPs slots when i'm hunting, every 3 mins i'll need to stop the hunt, go to Composing page, break itens and go back to hunt.

I'm just trying to think about an easier way to do that.



#190 wil72

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:07

Of course i know that. 
But with CoA, SH, KE and similars we never really use Commom or Rare items anymore, maybe just in Arenas to fill an empty slot. And the 'auto-breaker' idea will not work from everyone everytime, can be 'opt-in' and'opt-out', whit Composing a lot of players will start to hunt with FI1000 (+ Distill) on every hunt to grab more fragments. Now i have only 23BP spaces, plus holding potions+gear, that let me something around 10- free BPs slots when i'm hunting, every 3 mins i'll need to stop the hunt, go to Composing page, break itens and go back to hunt.

I'm just trying to think about an easier way to do that.

Edited......for the sake of the children.

 

Cheers.

 

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#191 smileynirv

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:40

fubar



#192 Pardoux

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:41

Of course i know that. 
But with CoA, SH, KE and similars we never really use Commom or Rare items anymore, maybe just in Arenas to fill an empty slot. And the 'auto-breaker' idea will not work from everyone everytime, can be 'opt-in' and'opt-out', whit Composing a lot of players will start to hunt with FI1000 (+ Distill) on every hunt to grab more fragments. Now i have only 23BP spaces, plus holding potions+gear, that let me something around 10- free BPs slots when i'm hunting, every 3 mins i'll need to stop the hunt, go to Composing page, break itens and go back to hunt.

I'm just trying to think about an easier way to do that.

 

You could just leave 'em set to "Auto-Drop" ya know ;) - or invest in some more BP slots ;)


Homer : Marge, don't discourage the boy. Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals .. except the weasel.

 

Eddie Izzard : The National Rifle Association say that guns don't kill people, people do. But I think the gun helps, you know ? I think it helps. I think just standing there going "BANG" - that's not going to kill too many people, is it ?

 

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but it seems that everything I eat lately turns to poo ...


#193 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:04

You could just leave 'em set to "Auto-Drop" ya know ;) - or invest in some more BP slots ;)

I know that, for now, i don't care about it, just clean BP when i need space for quests, but with Composing everyone will use useless itens to extract fragments.
I was thinking on a easy way to do that =P

PS: It's not easy to invest real money on the game, $60 is like 1/4 of my salary...Brazil sucks lol



#194 Pardoux

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 07:22

I know that, for now, i don't care about it, just clean BP when i need space for quests, but with Composing everyone will use useless itens to extract fragments.
I was thinking on a easy way to do that =P

PS: It's not easy to invest real money on the game, $60 is like 1/4 of my salary...Brazil sucks lol

 

$240 is a monthly salary ? - OUCH


Homer : Marge, don't discourage the boy. Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals .. except the weasel.

 

Eddie Izzard : The National Rifle Association say that guns don't kill people, people do. But I think the gun helps, you know ? I think it helps. I think just standing there going "BANG" - that's not going to kill too many people, is it ?

 

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but it seems that everything I eat lately turns to poo ...


#195 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 07:39

$240 is a monthly salary ? - OUCH

$320 to be exactly. Looking to leave my country, any offer of jobs in any other country is more than welcome hehehehe



#196 thering66

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:29

$320 to be exactly. Looking to leave my country, any offer of jobs in any other country is more than welcome hehehehe

 

$320!? do you need a butler? I can do many good butlering things XD  



#197 oucho

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:02

$320 to be exactly. Looking to leave my country, any offer of jobs in any other country is more than welcome hehehehe

WOW  a month, I make more than that a day



#198 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:29

WOW  a month, I make more than that a day

As a freelancer i can make more than that, something around $500-800/month, but the things are hard on RL/family...But forget that, let's go back to Composing guys lol



#199 Mister Doom

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 11:01

fubar

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I agree... lol


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#200 Hoofmaster

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 14:35

It seems the majority like the overall idea, so we're going to go ahead and get the first part (breaking down items) working and tested with the aim to get it into the game on Tuesday 18th (possibly before if things go really well!).

 

We'll be making it so you can automatically break down items as they drop (similar to how Auto Discard works) and also we'll try to make it as easy as possible to break down items that are already in your backpack :)




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