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#1 Trinket

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 09:53

We have a Guild gold Bank and we have a place to put FSP for upgrades, but we do not have anywhere to store guild FSP in excess of this. If the person holding those FSP leaves, doesn't come back etc. those FSP are lost to the guild. Was just wondering what everybody else thought of this idea.



#2 Pardoux

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 21:35

We have a Guild gold Bank and we have a place to put FSP for upgrades, but we do not have anywhere to store guild FSP in excess of this. If the person holding those FSP leaves, doesn't come back etc. those FSP are lost to the guild. Was just wondering what everybody else thought of this idea.

 

When I first saw this thread title, I thought it was going to be another of those "why can't we withdraw fsp's from the upgrade fund" threads. Glad to see it's not - that idea has been done to death IMO.

 

As for another option to store FSP's, I don't think there's really a need for one - there already is one, called the Guild Founder. Yes, they COULD leave, and some WOULD pull (and have pulled) stunts like that, but IMO, before you pass over stuff to other players, there should be an element of trust earned.

 

It's not a bad idea, but I think that everything on the current roadmap needs implementing first :)


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#3 BraveKath

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 06:32

Not a bad idea, but there's nothing to prevent an unscrupulous player with access to that bank to then still take it and leave, so you're right back where you started from - sadly.

However, this would address the situation where you have several active, involved founders and one of the ones holding most of the money goes inactive for some reason.

Pros and cons with anything, but good idea :)

I agree, however, with Pardoux that if this were to be adopted, it should be after the current roadmap to-do list is completed.
 



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Posted 20 April 2014 - 23:44

Wouldn't this be essentially a secondary Guild FSP that could be raided just as any other means? Mind.... Bank withdraw is just about as bad anyhow. As to the concept though, it would do a world of good for when guilds are stockpiling FSP to buy gear/epics/etc....

 

I know a lot of guilds have a guild fund that one or two players hold or hold part of, many times listing their bio "Guild FSP: XX" Tis would solve the issue of trust.

 

As just with banked gold, banked FSP could then be seen and known for  a certainty is being used in some manner or another as it will be seen when it's taken, by whom, and how much.

 

Would be a good iea to go about with more I think about it though.

 

Have the upgrade one blocked from withdrawl as always, and the secondary one open for those who also have bank withdraw rights. Simple way to handle it imo.


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#5 Trinket

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 21:11

Just what i was getting at Gutie, i'm sure someone in each guild holds FSP for gear and gear upgrades etc and annoying for those players to keep track of guild fsp and their own.

 

With permissions could be quite workable. The permissions themselves could be separated into levels of only being able to draw out X amount per week or whatever.



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 03:36

Not really needed, but will incentive the donations one time you can see people donating more than you're. And the guild will need to burn those FSPs buying gear, forging, whatever.

+1, but not before the actual Roadmap.



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 05:54

Hmm -- if adopted, what about instead of limited % per week, limited % per player to withdraw per week.  Of course still limited to those with permission.

 

A few devil's advocate wanderings:
 

1) I can just see a guild who wants to buy an epic or if several big ticket gear sets become available due to an event and they're buying getting stuck not being able to access their funds.  Of course members could loan, but if you don't have the resources/luxury to do that then could be frustrating.  

 

2) What about the guild that is deciding to close?  What if there was at least a back up option to appeal to HCS to withdraw all the FSPs at one time, and HCS could do whatever checks they felt necessary to verify that it's not a hacker?  This might take a few days for it to be taken care of, but that doesn't seem so bad.

 



#8 cyrus7

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:28

As for another option to store FSP's, I don't think there's really a need for one - there already is one, called the Guild Founder. 

Guild Founders can mysteriously disappear from their online presence. All of my guild's FSPs disappeared along with the founder who went *poof*; he didn't leave, just stopped signing into FS and his outside of game messenger. Things happen.

 

 

As for security of only withdrawing a certain amount per day or whatever, and therefore having issues when buying expensive items... why? Default settings for newly added [to the game] permissions are set to Founder Only. It's up to the founder to give out permissions beyond that, and if they give permissions to someone who robs the guild, as can happen with current settings, well that was their choice to give out the permissions. Right now, withdraw gold permission gives the player the ability to withdraw all the gold. Many guilds have many millions in gold in the bank; think about it: 200M gold will buy 1000 FSPs. Why protect the FSPs from being withdrawn, when we don't protect gold? We don't protect gold withdrawal because we have settings on who can do the withdrawing, and guilds manage their finances on their own. I see no reason to put a withdraw limit on it. That's like having money in a bank account, and then the bank saying you can only withdraw a certain amount a day (you know, for your own protection). Uh no, if I own something (or am in charge of an account, be it a Guild Founder in FS or a managing partner in a business), then I should be allowed to withdraw whatever amount I deem necessary.



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 15:33

Easiest solution is to send fsp to hoofmaster or bigrim to hold. If they retire or leave, FS is done by then.



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 18:34

Hmmmmm....."Bank of BigGrim Lld"  Has a nice ring to it.  Maybe he can tackle it in his mid-life crisis :P  

 

It's a good idea, but one that might not be high on list of:  Things the cows gotta do before they come home".  

 

As far as the situation stands now:  I think you have to trust your founder.  If you don't trust them, or if they're not trustworthy, you're definitely in the wrong guild :(  




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