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Poll: Increase the daily limit of 10 on +1 max stam for 25.000 gold in the upgrade section (48 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you like to see the daily limit of +1 max stam for 25k gold raised from 10 to 30?

  1. Yes. +30 max stam at 25.000 gold each (750.000 gold in total) sounds good each day. (22 votes [45.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.83%

  2. Maybe a bit less than 30, but definitely more than 10. 20-25ish. (7 votes [14.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.58%

  3. Even increasing to 30 isn't enough. We need more than that! (2 votes [4.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.17%

  4. Keep it as it is currently. A limit of +10 a day is perfect. (17 votes [35.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.42%

  5. I think even the current +10 is too much. We don't need gold upgrades! (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 NicramDuel

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 22:31

I've been thinking a bit (yes, I know that's generally a bad thing) about sinking gold - fsp prices are skyrocketing again - and even some of the most massive LE's being released in the caves could not bring substantial drops of prices. Nothing new really, yet it may make the difference. 

 

Shortly, my idea: I'm suggesting rising the daily allowance of +1 max stam under the gold upgrades to 30 instead of 10. 

 

However, please hear me out on this one. Firstly, I understand that the calculations supporting my suggestion may seem very subjective (I have enough stamina to hunt only once every 8 days which is better than most players, but nowhere even near the higher-enders, and potions used by me that directly or indirectly affect hunt revenues may also deviate from others, so my cost-per-income ratio differs from many players), and my personnal preference of investing the majority of my income in stamina is not shared by everyone in the community. What I concluded though is that 750.000 gold a day on 30 max stam is generally MORE than what most players, or at least the casual and semi-pro ones can make per day. 

 

My last once-every-eight-days hunt had a net income of 5.300.000 gold (the gross was reduced by the guild tax). I generally buy only the most necessary 8-10 offensive buffs prior to my hunt at a regular deal of 2 fsp's on the market (390.000 goldsworth at 195.000 g/fsp), and even if all works for the best, I still will be spending about an fsp's worth (195.000+) on potions: truth, superior luck, berserkers, fatality, bookworm, greater doubler, sludge brew, and the highest composing potion I can make for cons. (al is currently not an issue as I still have 5-6 from the last event's ogre pots). All in all, I would be left with around 4.700.000 gold for 8 days to spend. However, if 30 stamina could be bought per day at the same price as now, that would come up to 6.000.000 gold at 750.000/day - that's way over what the common casual hunter could achieve just by hunting. 

 

This is where being a "casual player" comes into play. Even though we may show up multiple times a day, we don't really engage in other profit-making activities (all the better for those who do, lol), so with no other income, we will actually be SPENDING FSP's just on getting gold for these daily upgrades...or, at the very least, not adding a single piece of gold to the circulation, with like-minded players spending every last once of their gold on the daily +30, or at least as much as can come from this. So many casuals being removed from gold-reserving and transforming their common gold-to-fsp conversion into fsp-to-gold exchange would seem to be a good relief for the current economy - and would also naturally mean more frequent purchases of gold on the market.

 

Finally, the last thought I have on the topic that I'd like to share is, naturally, the chance of revenue-loss on HCS's side due to this. Yes, this does pose SOME threat, but I don't see it being a serious impact. I highly doubt fsp-for-dollar purchases would be directly affected by this. I understand the fact of 10950 max stam/year is much more appealing to a regular player than 3650 from pure gold upgrades, thus perhaps meaning somewhat less investment in max stam-for-fsp's. BUT. and an all-capital BUT. These players are still casual players. With the majority not even with pay-cheques to even support their IRL lives to a full extent - let alone pay for the game regularly. [I am sorry to say, that I could only support HCS twice (each time 60 bucksworth of Hungarian Forints via phone - good old days), and was really happy to own one of the first-EVER Baron sets (Yes! there was a time when that great set went for 1k+ fsp's! now it's 3 fsp's lol xD), but I used to be okay moneywise back then. Nowadays, I wouldn't be able to afford even the smallest donation - although I would be happy to.] These players will probably, especially if they are active in other profitable aspects of the game (or simply have more daily offers for FSP shards), STILL purchase stam-for-fsp upgrades BEYOND the 30/day limit (as soon as I'm done "epiquipping" my char (only gloves and chest remain), I'll be spending on it too). 

 

All in all, I do understand that some concerns could be voiced against this idea, but I feel it would be for the better good. Please feel free to share your thoughts, and vote.



#2 duktayp

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 00:37

if you are able to convince HCS to give up more of their product at a reduced price, you will have my thanks



#3 Undjuvion

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 16:53

im a bit inbetween, 10 seems functional for most of the lowers who would need it most yet 10 seems tedious for me, i guess im saying i dont have much of an opinion either way that sways me :P



#4 EpicPiety

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 18:07

3650 stam a year is a JOKE just saying should be raised


Edited by Intimidation, 28 May 2014 - 18:11.


#5 yotwehc

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 19:58

Give an inch, take a mile...

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 20:56

3650 stam a year is a JOKE just saying should be raised

Hmm, I've been playing for 6 years now. That would equal 21,900 additional stam for me if it had been available when I started.  That doesn't sound like a joke to me. My two cents. 



#7 cyrus7

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 21:24

Hmm, I've been playing for 6 years now. That would equal 21,900 additional stam for me if it had been available when I started.  That doesn't sound like a joke to me. My two cents. 

Excellent point. I'm going on 7 years, which would have been 25,550 max stamina bought by gold at 10 per day, had that option been available when I started. My current max stamina is not quite 30k, so that would have meant I could have bought nearly all that with only gold!  :o [Plus 2008 and 2012 were leap years, so there's an extra 20.]

 

There's lots of "me! me!" in the poll results. While I too would like to have the option to buy more max stamina at a reduced price with gold, I also know that's a very selfish demand, and therefore won't vote as such. We can't keep asking that everything be purchased with gold, and at a reduced price from the current FSP to gold rate on top of that. Let's remember that donations for FSPs are HCS's income, and if they have no income, we will soon have no game.



#8 Pardoux

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 21:36

"Giving" stuff away for gold affects the cows bottom line - it's as simple as that. Rather than trying to get more and more, we should be grateful for what we have and that they decided to actually give us this in the first place.

 

You want more stamina ? - buy it with FSP's - it's that simple :)


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#9 NicramDuel

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 23:52

Okay, I see this is running a bit off course here. I'll straighten it out. Inintially, yes, +20 max upgrades was and is my suggestion, but the true thing I've been trying to point out is NOT that "OOOOH GIMME MOREZ FOE ME NUFFING!!!!", but that we need more gold sinks - I tried to introduce an idea with thought and some calculations behind it. Any further ideas would be welcome too - anything one can spend gold upon. Apparently, the ones we have are not effective enough - even when there's an event with high-priced set yielding LE's in the caves, hardly anyone even bothers. I was apalled to see the "activity" on farming Zaragoth (50-60 fsp's for any part of the set at the time with boots over 100) at near or literally zero (I thing Lifeblood was in the mix too and something higher but not sure), and the fsp market suffered no shock at all. Arenas, the special section of pots on the AH and the pot market seem to be doing much better a job - but just not enough. I would be very happy to see ANYTHING AT ALL that could stop fsp prices going even higher. Maybe further AH special pots would help such as necrosis at a proper level (150-200), and a powerful min bid of 100k-200k...anything. 

 



#10 duktayp

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 00:26

... but that we need more gold sinks ...Any further ideas would be welcome ... anything one can spend gold upon

ahh now i'm with you

 

i like the idea of mystery potions, for sale in the potion bazaar, crafted by an insane alchemist

 

for a set price of (gold sink) you get an unmarked bottle of potion

 

don't know what it is until you buy it - most likely it's not very useful: great vigor 25, deep pockets 50, defiance 100....or the like (gold sink)

 

but a small chance of it being a great potion... nothing game breaking, but a great potion - one to tempt you to take a chance again and sink more gold



#11 yotwehc

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 00:27

Why exactly is high market price a problem? The only problem I can see is for new players unable to convert their hard earned gold into fsp at a reasonable exchange rate but other then that, it's simple economics.

#12 Alisa

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:30

whats this daily limit of max stamina you speak of?


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 06:27

whats this daily limit of max stamina you speak of?

http://wiki.fallensw...hp/Stamina_Gain

 

That Wiki link will help explain.

 

Also from Wiki: 
 

" Note that your 'xp gain' is allocated, plus a bonus of your xp gain times a multiplier equal to your level minus 50 divided by '25' (rounding down).
Note the actual value is always reflected in the quick display at the top bar xp mouseover. Note also at lower levels this value is scaled down up to a reduction factor of 10 to stop it potentially being too overpowering. Below level 25, no additional bonus is applied."


Edited by BraveKath, 29 May 2014 - 06:29.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 22:14

The high gold to fsp rate is nice for donors, lol. I'm not complaining ona personal level.... but yeah we need more gold sinks... and tbh the overused "we didn't have x when I started" argument is getting old around here.

 

20-25 isn't unreasonable, and quite honestly, those like myself who want to donate will donate regardless of increasing the max stam upgrade cap by 15 for gold upgrades per day. If anything I'm more keen on it as I can then sell my fsp in marketplace to people to convert into gold and sink even more of it. Having the cap raised is actually an incentive to donate more as I'm getting a little bit more value from HCS in doing so.

 

The more value I get from FS in what dropping $60 transactions around gets me the more I will donate to FS. The less value I get the more reluctant I am to open my wallet. Simple logic.


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#15 duktayp

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 22:40

 tbh the overused "we didn't have x when I started" argument is getting old around here.

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#16 yotwehc

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 23:59

The high gold to fsp rate is nice for donors, lol. I'm not complaining ona personal level.... but yeah we need more gold sinks... and tbh the overused "we didn't have x when I started" argument is getting old around here.

20-25 isn't unreasonable, and quite honestly, those like myself who want to donate will donate regardless of increasing the max stam upgrade cap by 15 for gold upgrades per day. If anything I'm more keen on it as I can then sell my fsp in marketplace to people to convert into gold and sink even more of it. Having the cap raised is actually an incentive to donate more as I'm getting a little bit more value from HCS in doing so.

The more value I get from FS in what dropping $60 transactions around gets me the more I will donate to FS. The less value I get the more reluctant I am to open my wallet. Simple logic.

It's not a difficult thing to do but I'm way confused. On the one hand, you like the high market prices as it gives you more value, but on the other hand, you are for a gold sink to reduce the high gold prices O_o

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:28

http://wiki.fallensw...hp/Stamina_Gain

 

That Wiki link will help explain.

 

i know how stamina works... um stamina goes up every 30minutes right?

 

 

 

+1 Maximum Stamina for gold upgrade... 10 max stamina a day got old and boring buying it everyday, so i never bothered with it anymore... but if it was 50-100 a day then that would make me wanna keep buying it, and sink some gold from market.


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#18 EpicPiety

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 13:27

Hmm, I've been playing for 6 years now. That would equal 21,900 additional stam for me if it had been available when I started.  That doesn't sound like a joke to me. My two cents. 

Its not for veteran players its for new players in all seriousness. Only 10 a day for a new player is not much of a kicker. Nothing to make them want to stay or get anywhere anytime soon.



#19 yotwehc

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 14:35

Its not for veteran players its for new players in all seriousness. Only 10 a day for a new player is not much of a kicker. Nothing to make them want to stay or get anywhere anytime soon.

I don't know too many new players making 500-750k gold per day but I am a noob so perhaps it's possible.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 14:36

this increasing atmosphere of "gimme gimme gimme" is just sad

 

there is no limit to upgrading your max stamina, using the fsp upgrade page

 

the gold upgrade page is a little bonus, like a "happy hour" at a bar - not a gold sink




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