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#201 Brinmoth

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 01:37

2nd Post and a Solution to arena matches Spawning in the "WRONG" ranges in some eyes.

 

I think we need to standardize the levels in which the arena spawns (this idea does stem from what the cows did on day 1 of the arena updates where you knew which levels were going to spawn)

 

While the initial list of 100,500,1000,1500,2000, and 2500 was way to small it gave people the opportunity to prepare and know what levels to expect and enter.

 

 

The cows need to expand on this concept and turn it into 50 tournament levels that can spawn from 1-EOC Lower levels need smaller gaps in levels and they can Expand as they go up. I would suggest the Following levels to spawn:

 

10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100 (Every 10 levels from 10-100)

 

125,150,175,200,225,250,275,300,325,350,375,400,425,450,475,500 (every 25 levels from 101-500)

 

550,600,650,700,750,800,850,900,950,1000 (every 50 levels from 501-1000)

 

1100,1200,1300,1400,1500,1600,1700,1800,1900,2000,2100,2200,2300, 2400 (every 100 levels from 1001-2400)

 

This gives exactly 50 different tournaments that can spawn and if you want to make it to where someone always has something to enter make it to where if 1 of these 50 start it is automatically re spawned after it is completed.

 

The only thing I would also do to add some variety is have each respawn be random on whether it:

 

-Allows Forges

-Allows Moves

-Allows Epics

 

I feel that having tournaments spawning in those 50 different levels allows everyone in the game to be able to enter the arena at any time if they wish, it also makes it a little simpler for the average player as they know which levels they need to have gear for and prepare for.

This ^

 

I am liking this arena discussion a lot, I am liking it too much apparently as I'm out of "likes"..haha!

 

I think this would give all players a fair go in the arena.



#202 jshep74

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:05

If the main issue is that people want more higher level arena's than I have no issue with that.  I was just chatting with a an EOC player who prefers to play higher level arena matches.  Again I have no issue with that either.

 

What I do have an issue with is SOME EOC players who play most of the 500 and lower arena matches constantly and then enter most of the higher level arena's too so they play up to 30 matches where the lowest level 100 may have 1 match......sometimes none. To me this is the unfair part where one player can enter 29 more than another. Let me explain...........

 

There is a lot of talk about different brackets and how many we should have at each level and how many we should have in total.  I like Leos3000's bracket idea since it covers more levels in one bracket, for instance he has 10 levels from 10 to 100: 10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100 (Every 10 levels from 10-100.)

 

So say we use Leos3000's bracket idea the lowest bracket is from say 10 to 100 where there are 10 matches that are continuous. Therefore, I think 10 should be the MAXIMUM amount of arena matches any one player can enter at one time.  Once a match ends, that player can enter another match.

 

To me this would allow players at higher levels say EOC to play any bracket they wish, they could enter 10 at the 100 bracket, 10 at the 2000 bracket, 5 at each, or spread out 10 matches over all brackets.

 

Instead of the current random level system where SOME (again i stress SOME, not all) EOC players are entering all or close to all 30 matches when a 100 level player may see 1 arena match under 100 before another begins. And a 1000 level payer may see 12 matches they can enter if they are lucky.

 

This way every player would be able to enter the same amount of matches.  Of course you would have to reach level 100 first, but according to Fallensword's monthly posts there are plenty of players who reach higher than level 100 during thier first month.) So one month should not be a problem.

 

That way if we used Leos3000's bracket idea it doenst matter as much if we have 50 or 100 matches.  At 50 matches I think we could make it work so 10 matches is the MAXIMUM for all levels and every player level 100 and over could enter the exact same amount of matches. If we had 100 matches then i think we could make it so that every player could enter 20 matches at one time.  We could probably lower the number of matches to 25 and make 5 the MAXIMUM amount of matches anyone could enter.

 

However, I think 10 would be the best number, since I doubt most players enter more than 10 arena matches at one time.  20 could work as well but i have never entered that many matches at one time. 

 

I suggest this maximum number mainly b/c i am worried that there are a few players that would use the current system to take advantage of the amount of matches they can enter.



#203 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:16

What I do have an issue with is SOME EOC players who play most of the 500 and lower arena matches constantly and then enter most of the higher level arena's too so they play up to 30 matches where the lowest level 100 may have 1 match......sometimes none. To me this is the unfair part where one player can enter 29 more than another. Let me explain...........

They leveled, killed a lot of mobs, spent stamina and potions, etc....They deserves that, and still equaly fair, beause everyone can level up and join more Arenas. Arena is a way to motivate people to hunt.



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:30

Okay, every one who bought a bunch of potions when they were 40 (i.e. brewers art, lib 300, etc) is going to profit handsomely off this. I bought a couple, listed in AH, went back today and they're 2K? Seems like that's a placeholder, but this update has gone from needed to like watching a political candidate try to be popular in a few days.

 

I guess I'll check back tomorrow to see what's going on, maybe my 1400 points can afford a potion tomorrow :)



#205 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:40

Okay, every one who bought a bunch of potions when they were 40 (i.e. brewers art, lib 300, etc) is going to profit handsomely off this. I bought a couple, listed in AH, went back today and they're 2K? Seems like that's a placeholder, but this update has gone from needed to like watching a political candidate try to be popular in a few days.

 

I guess I'll check back tomorrow to see what's going on, maybe my 1400 points can afford a potion tomorrow :)

It's a to freeze the market on weekend, HCS will rework the prices on monday.



#206 jshep74

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:44

They leveled, killed a lot of mobs, spent stamina and potions, etc....They deserves that, and still equaly fair, beause everyone can level up and join more Arenas. Arena is a way to motivate people to hunt.

Congrats you missed the entire point!  Thats why they have higher level buffs, can hunt more titans, so now you want to gift them more arena matches......why not just give them the tokens since they earned it. 



#207 kimbo

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:52

 " The MORE the MERRIER", the more NEW Players that will play in the Arena the more FUN each one of us can get..instead of FACING same ppl most of the time...About the Price of those POTS ?? I see contrasting and opposite ideas about it..So, well have to analyze which is which ?? Personally, i would like to put the price to a lvl wherein not so HARSE nor too EASY..Your thoughts is as good as mine, Lol :)


Edited by kimbo, 30 June 2014 - 02:54.


#208 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 02:57

Congrats you missed the entire point!  Thats why they have higher level buffs, can hunt more titans, so now you want to gift them more arena matches......why not just give them the tokens since they earned it. 

Leos' idea is a good one, I'll not lose my time arguing about that.



#209 shindrak

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:15

Leos3000's bracket idea

It's not bracket idea if you read well... he suggested an idea for levels range spawns :)

 

your posts all over this thread arguing without reading who's you are arguing with :rolleyes:



#210 andyvince

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 12:43

Same people winning are the ones who dedicated to arena ... why didn't they complain about the Arena masters when they were newbie? Don't tell me they just started winning a lot once they started playing arena...

 

Same ones winning are the ones who are tossing around boss guild gear....nothing to do with dedication.

 

Lots of newbie players now are doing great they aren't newbie anymore , only ones never improve are the ones who complain about it.

 

Now they have access to guild gear...I can name 5 offhand.

 

People these days just want easy game.

 

Try joining a small guild instead of inheriting the gifts of your predecessors

Now that I think. As someone getting into Arena in a small guild I have to agree with this partially: having guild gears in well established guilds does give players faster progress, in getting Combat Moves at least. But beyond that, dedications are needed.



#211 jagger4man

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 14:49

Nice arena update with tokens and opponent randomization. One thing that I suggest cows should add is displaying entered stat numbers of finished tours. Beside

 

  • Max Players:
  • Join Cost:
  • Reward:
  • Max Equip Level:
  • Specials:
  • Hell Forge:
  • Epic: 

 

to add 

 

Entered stat:

  • Attack:
  • Defense:
  • Armor:
  • Damage:
  • HP:

 

 

That way it's easier for players to analyse what they done wrong and create strategy for next tours.

 


List of all sets and mobs in game with stats 
- All sets in game 
- Set stats with different forging lvls
- Set combo builder
- All mobs
*Tip: Using search options (by name or by lvl range) will speed up application

#212 insaner6

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 17:47

dear jshep74 and fellow guildmate.
i think your concerne about the hypothetical lvl 100 player
who is not able to participate in as many pvp arena tournamets
as higher level players than him is a bit wrong.

to prove u on how it is wrong, i can say this.
there are 20 epic items on this game.  but only 3-4?? lvl 1-100.
should we delete all the other epic items that are above lvl 100 as
a player lvl100 cant wear them? and unfair that he cant wear them?
perhas even unfair as he cant buy them so we should delete other ppl fsps as well,
or give this lvl 100 player lots of fsps so that he can buy them..
there are also 30 SES from lvl 1-2000  but only 3-4 from lvl 1-100.
should we delete all other higher SES as a lvl 100 cant reach them?
there a tones of LE sets out there. but only a few are between lvl 1-100.
should we remove all the other LE sets above lvl 1000 as a lvl 100 player
cant wear them?
a lvl 100 cant access maps above his level.
is it fair that EOC players can access way more maps than him?
should we remove all maps above lvl 100 as a lvl 100 cant access them??

i can keep on going all day long with this kind of examples but in the end of the day,
if a lvl 100 wants to access higher and more pvp arena turnaments, all he has to do,
is level up.



btw,  i didnt use any colors as u usually do, as i find it disturbing and hurts the eyes,
but i do hope that u can still read this.



#213 Artzik

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 19:40

Nice arena update with tokens and opponent randomization. One thing that I suggest cows should add is displaying entered stat numbers of finished tours. Beside

 

  • Max Players:
  • Join Cost:
  • Reward:
  • Max Equip Level:
  • Specials:
  • Hell Forge:
  • Epic: 

 

to add 

 

Entered stat:

  • Attack:
  • Defense:
  • Armor:
  • Damage:
  • HP:

 

 

That way it's easier for players to analyse what they done wrong and create strategy for next tours.

+1 nice idea jagger4man



#214 Artzik

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 19:43

Gold for tokens should be raised to 10000



#215 drakos333

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 19:56

i think the tokens for gold is good where it is right now but they need to bring back the tournies with gold as a reward :P but there are still lots of tweaks left to be done... work in progress.. i must say it is kinda nice getting a few tokens for coming in 2nd or 3rd place.. i know some players are just racking up the tokens right now since the update.. and some of us are just mulling along getting a few tokens here and there.. a win win for everyone lol 



#216 Artzik

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 02:42

what for would you need gold turneys if exhance rate would be raised to proper amount of gold?


Edited by Artzik, 01 July 2014 - 03:02.


#217 drakos333

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:38

i would say leave the token for gold exchange rate right where it is to help out some of the lower lvl players to encourage them to dabble in the arena to try and win a few tokens or become really good at it so they can increase their gold stashes as well... thus also bringing back gold tournies... whats wrong with gold??? lol 



#218 jshep74

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:47

Leos' idea is a good one, I'll not lose my time arguing about that.

LOL, I already said I liked Leos idea, so argue with yourself.  I posted a point to add something to his idea, maybe you should read it first before you just argue.  If you dont like something try saying something about that, but please stop arguing my point just to argue......which is what you are saying im doing you hypocrite!



#219 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:52

I read this and...

LOL, I already said I liked Leos idea, so argue with yourself.  I posted a point to add something to his idea, maybe you should read it first before you just argue.  If you dont like something try saying something about that, but please stop arguing my point just to argue......which is what you are saying im doing you hypocrite!

 

This is your answer.

dear jshep74 and fellow guildmate.
i think your concerne about the hypothetical lvl 100 player
who is not able to participate in as many pvp arena tournamets
as higher level players than him is a bit wrong.

to prove u on how it is wrong, i can say this.
there are 20 epic items on this game.  but only 3-4?? lvl 1-100.
should we delete all the other epic items that are above lvl 100 as
a player lvl100 cant wear them? and unfair that he cant wear them?
perhas even unfair as he cant buy them so we should delete other ppl fsps as well,
or give this lvl 100 player lots of fsps so that he can buy them..
there are also 30 SES from lvl 1-2000  but only 3-4 from lvl 1-100.
should we delete all other higher SES as a lvl 100 cant reach them?
there a tones of LE sets out there. but only a few are between lvl 1-100.
should we remove all the other LE sets above lvl 1000 as a lvl 100 player
cant wear them?
a lvl 100 cant access maps above his level.
is it fair that EOC players can access way more maps than him?
should we remove all maps above lvl 100 as a lvl 100 cant access them??

i can keep on going all day long with this kind of examples but in the end of the day,
if a lvl 100 wants to access higher and more pvp arena turnaments, all he has to do,
is level up.



btw,  i didnt use any colors as u usually do, as i find it disturbing and hurts the eyes,
but i do hope that u can still read this.



#220 jshep74

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:55

dear jshep74 and fellow guildmate.
i think your concerne about the hypothetical lvl 100 player
who is not able to participate in as many pvp arena tournamets
as higher level players than him is a bit wrong.

to prove u on how it is wrong, i can say this.
there are 20 epic items on this game.  but only 3-4?? lvl 1-100.
should we delete all the other epic items that are above lvl 100 as
a player lvl100 cant wear them? and unfair that he cant wear them?
perhas even unfair as he cant buy them so we should delete other ppl fsps as well,
or give this lvl 100 player lots of fsps so that he can buy them..
there are also 30 SES from lvl 1-2000  but only 3-4 from lvl 1-100.
should we delete all other higher SES as a lvl 100 cant reach them?
there a tones of LE sets out there. but only a few are between lvl 1-100.
should we remove all the other LE sets above lvl 1000 as a lvl 100 player
cant wear them?
a lvl 100 cant access maps above his level.
is it fair that EOC players can access way more maps than him?
should we remove all maps above lvl 100 as a lvl 100 cant access them??

i can keep on going all day long with this kind of examples but in the end of the day,
if a lvl 100 wants to access higher and more pvp arena turnaments, all he has to do,
is level up.



btw,  i didnt use any colors as u usually do, as i find it disturbing and hurts the eyes,
but i do hope that u can still read this.

my point was that it would be fair if All players can enter the same amount of arena matches.  sorry you have an issue with a part of the game geing fair.

 

And if they dont want us to use colors or smiles ask the cows to remove them. 




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