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#161 Artzik

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 13:22

still lowest lvl arena is lvl 74



#162 Artzik

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 13:27

please,  dont bring back the noumerous arenas of levels 1-100. 
as it was proven from the activity of the pvp arena,  they were dull
and very slow.
the new lvl 1500++ arenas are the ones that are moving very fast,
which means that is a good way forward for reviving the arena.
dont destroy it due to players complaining about the fact that the
big arenas are the one that are fiiling faster,  thus they are faster
moving forward.

instead if u want to be fair,   have   for example   60 active arenas each given time.
10 pvp arena  for lvls   1-100
15 pvp arena for lvls 100-1000
20 pvp aren for lvls  1000-2000
15 pvp arena for lvls 2000-3000

and as the EOC keeps on mooving on,   keep increasing the amount of active arenas
by adding turnaments in the highest bracket.

+1

 

but I would like to see

5 arenas lvl 1-24

5 pvp arena  for lvls   25-100
15 pvp arena for lvls 100-1000
20 pvp aren for lvls  1000-2000
15 pvp arena for lvls 2000-3000


Edited by Artzik, 29 June 2014 - 13:28.


#163 Kildek

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 13:47

<snip>
My personal experience of the arena
- When VenomSheru was on his mission and became the top arena player I was playing the arena too. Yes I lost loads of matches against him until I started to work out why I was losing and then I became his nemesis and started beating him 50% of the time. This actually gave me interest as it was hard and not an easy win.
 
- Stop asking for a win key!!!!!


Initially there was no cloak potion. Making it faster / easier to get a peek at the arena set someone was using, thus knowing which stats you need to beat.

With cloak you only can figure out the stats to beat indirectly, by doing the math and changing between a lot of different setups. This in turn means you need to many more arenas = longer learning curve.
New players go broke before they have a chance of winning a considerable amount of arenas.
Hence as suggested before:

Make the join cost dependend on you arena skill / arena medal.

No medal pay 14% of original join cost
Bronze (100 PvP Arenas) pay 29% of original join cost
Silver (500 PvP Arenas) pay 43% of original join cost
Gold (1000 PvP Arenas) pay 57% of original join cost
Crystal (2500 PvP Arenas) pay 71% of original join cost
Ruby (5000 PvP Arenas) pay 86% of original join cost
Diamond (10000 PvP Arenas) pay 100% of original join cost

#164 shindrak

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 14:33

No advantage huh? That's a bunch of crap!!! The arena masters have the the best, most expensive gear. That alone puts the  average player at a huge disadvantage. 

Which gears are expensive ? they are so cheap now if you don't want to spend any fsps or enough time in arena don't expect having advantage. :)

 

Arena Masters were average players and i can assure you having all gears won't make you any good in arena till you try it alot!

 

 

Some players just in rush they want to be at the top without even climbing !


Edited by shindrak, 29 June 2014 - 14:34.


#165 drakos333

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 14:40

random question.... is fatigue in the arena supposed to work so that after 10 round of combat your stats get reduced so u should be hit on the 11th,21st,31st round and so on??? cause im really getting tired of getting randomly hit in the 7th,23rd,38th round etc... i thought it was supposed to work as i wrote above but who knows... 



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 14:45

I'm not getting into the brackets, or what-ever-you-want-to-call-it.

 

I'd like to point out, as has been mentioned else where, that the arena is basically fair (knowing how to choose your moves excepted)  The novice arena used to be where you got all your 45 moves, and the main arena would also let you get  moves at times.  Presumably so that those who didn't have any gear access other than what they were wearing could pick up moves without having to assemble a 5-100 set.

      Of course all that's changed now.

   

     What hasn't changed is how to use your moves.  BraveKath pointed out that there were in the good ole days, folk who would help the new comers out, by suggesting things they could do. (Sounds suspiciously like our defunct Mentor program doesn't it? )

     

     I have been helped by a 700+ arena winner who has graciously given me hints, and even the, "What the hey!  Why don't you try it and see what happens!)  Aside from being able to earn my moves (as opposed to buying them)  I didn't want any special treatment, half the fun of the arena is learning how it works, with the only loss a bit of gold, my tuition if you will.  

  

     Keep in mind that there are already advantages for those who play the 1-99 levels, making it "easier" to score a win, even against one of the Arena Champions (a few of them do go slumming down there ;) )

 

     I will make one comment about the current system.  It's much more expensive to play then it was last week at this time, if everyone wants to keep newcomers coming (and staying) this is a consideration too.



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 14:48

Over posted....one more time :wacko:


Edited by Tastria, 29 June 2014 - 14:53.


#168 shindrak

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 15:08

random question.... is fatigue in the arena supposed to work so that after 10 round of combat your stats get reduced so u should be hit on the 11th,21st,31st round and so on??? cause im really getting tired of getting randomly hit in the 7th,23rd,38th round etc... i thought it was supposed to work as i wrote above but who knows... 

Could be Variance ? hope they remove the variance from non moves tourneys since we have fatigue already



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 15:16

ya true could be variance i guess... which is also totally bogus... either way i think something needs to be looked at and/or fixed there... ive asked this question multiple times and never really got any clear answers on it... 



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 15:59

maybe adding special 32  player tournaments for New Prizes or gold would be cool idea..the arena seems to be quite active,which is great..straighten up the store prices and eliminate the bound potions and we may have a great arena !



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 18:06

maybe adding special 32  player tournaments for New Prizes or gold would be cool idea..the arena seems to be quite active,which is great..straighten up the store prices and eliminate the bound potions and we may have a great arena !

+1 ...Guild bound potions will be great


Edited by shindrak, 29 June 2014 - 18:06.


#172 jshep74

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 18:37

How many losses do you think someone with 3000 wins had to take ? Somedays you join 30-40 and win  3 or 4 ... This will never happen. No one is going to make it easy for you. If u want to get some wins, earn them like everyone else. I  suggested a free arena mode, where you risk nothing and win nothing ..that is a fair solution for someone looking for an easy way to the top.

I thought there were no arena matches, i have over 100 wins and i have lost plenty.  My point is that if you want to make the arena fair, then you should be willing to play other players with similar skill.  Just like the ladder, thier are brackets for each level.  An every player can enter an has access to the same amount of ladder matches as every other player in the game.  The have access to the same buffs and gear.   The higher players level the bigger bracket they move up into, so why is it so hard to acknowledge that some sort of tier or bracket system would be more fair.  

 

I never said players with 1000 or 2000 wins dont have a lot of losses.  I have over 100 wins and plenty of losses. 

 

But the key points that some players are unwilling to address is

 

1) ALL payers should have access to the same amount of matches.  That's FAIR...  if i have to explain, look up FAIR in the dictionary!

 

2) Saying players with 1000 to 2000 wins are not more experienced is just denial.....its actually a comment.  Why dont those players want to have a tier or bracket system.....b/c they cant beat up on new players that yes are less experienced.  Lets face it ....some of these guys ore experienced players have been playing the arena for 6 years. And a player that just started is just supposed to learn like they did.  Im sorry, but six years ago the players that have 3000-4000 now had no wins they were not learning how to play against players who had 6 years and 4000 wins.  It's just crazy to assume that a person beginning in the arena now has the same chance as a player who started playing 6 years ago.

 

3) We are supposed to be making the arena more fun and get more people to play and be able to win items/tokens.  I thought we are trying to keep ALL players HAPPY and interested in the arena. Oh, and keep players in the game pllaying and try to get new players interested in playing......your indifference will only cause more players to leave and less players to join or stay!  Not just those who are the most experienced. But until players are willing to have a level playing ground, dont just ignore the obvious so you can continue to dominate players that you know are 6 years behind you in learning.... new players have no chance of catching up if they can only play a handful of matches.



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 19:05

If you truely want to make the arena fair, then why dont we start over from scratch. 

 

1) Create 10 new skills and give 3 of them to every player. 

 

2) Create one arena gear center that all players have access too. I suggest that the arena gear should be all new gear.  Only able to be used while in the arena.  Why new gear, you ask? So the players who have been saving setups for 6 years will be on an even level ground.....just like everyone in the game! 

 

3) Randomly change the arena gear, to prevent players from saving setups to use again and again against new players.  That way, they will have to find a setup for the first time just like every other player.

 

4) Allow ALL players to wear any level gear in the arena no matter what level they are in the game, that way ALL players can enter every match.

 

I am sure that none of these so called "masters" will agree, since this would entirely reset the arena and make it the same for every player in the game....regardless of level or time played. And it would take away all thier advantages. This would truely make the arena fair to every player!

 

Blast this post as im sure you will, since no doubt players will fight nail and tooth to hold on to any and all thier advantages..............this may not be the perfect or best solution, but at least its FAIR for ALL players!



#174 jshep74

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 19:12


 

     I will make one comment about the current system.  It's much more expensive to play then it was last week at this time, if everyone wants to keep newcomers coming (and staying) this is a consideration too.

 

I wish everyone would think about new players.  6 years of saving setups makes it a lot easier for older players to enter every arena match!



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 19:37

But the key points that some players are unwilling to address is

 

1) ALL payers should have access to the same amount of matches.  That's FAIR...  if i have to explain, look up FAIR in the dictionary!

 

2) Saying players with 1000 to 2000 wins are not more experienced is just denial.....its actually a comment.  Why dont those players want to have a tier or bracket system.....b/c they cant beat up on new players that yes are less experienced.  Lets face it ....some of these guys ore experienced players have been playing the arena for 6 years. And a player that just started is just supposed to learn like they did.  Im sorry, but six years ago the players that have 3000-4000 now had no wins they were not learning how to play against players who had 6 years and 4000 wins.  It's just crazy to assume that a person beginning in the arena now has the same chance as a player who started playing 6 years ago.

 

3) We are supposed to be making the arena more fun and get more people to play and be able to win items/tokens.  I thought we are trying to keep ALL players HAPPY and interested in the arena. Oh, and keep players in the game pllaying and try to get new players interested in playing......your indifference will only cause more players to leave and less players to join or stay!  Not just those who are the most experienced. But until players are willing to have a level playing ground, dont just ignore the obvious so you can continue to dominate players that you know are 6 years behind you in learning.... new players have no chance of catching up if they can only play a handful of matches.

1. We ALL have access to the same amount of matches except for the NEW players that have access to the NOVICE arena category. I'm not saying they can win them all, because they can't, simple fact that you are going to have to live with.

 

2. You are correct, players with 1000+ wins have more experience in the arena than a brand new player.. So we need to provide a win button to those that just start out? Where was that win button 6 years ago? Oh right, there wasn't one.

 

A bracket system would kill the arena. As Undjuvion posted earlier, if you look at the top arena player list and then look at the active arena players out of that, you'll get a small number for the highest tier.. Then take that number and see who will be on or who plays which level range of arena or who goes on vacation and you'll shrink that list down until the arena is at a standstill for them... Ipso facto, this would kill the arena.

 

3. I believe the challenge to beat the best and stay the best will suffice as enough interest for the arena to be active.

 

 

If you truely want to make the arena fair, then why dont we start over from scratch. 

 

1) Create 10 new skills and give 3 of them to every player. 

 

2) Create one arena gear center that all players have access too. I suggest that the arena gear should be all new gear.  Only able to be used while in the arena.  Why new gear, you ask? So the players who have been saving setups for 6 years will be on an even level ground.....just like everyone in the game! 

 

3) Randomly change the arena gear, to prevent players from saving setups to use again and again against new players.  That way, they will have to find a setup for the first time just like every other player.

 

4) Allow ALL players to wear any level gear in the arena no matter what level they are in the game, that way ALL players can enter every match.

 

I am sure that none of these so called "masters" will agree, since this would entirely reset the arena and make it the same for every player in the game....regardless of level or time played. And it would take away all thier advantages. This would truely make the arena fair to every player!

 

Blast this post as im sure you will, since no doubt players will fight nail and tooth to hold on to any and all thier advantages..............this may not be the perfect or best solution, but at least its FAIR for ALL players!

Well, if we are going to start the arena off from scratch can we start everyone else off from scratch level-wise too? I've fallen way behind in my monthly top 100 and I want to be #1 now.

 

1. Or we could leave it as is and start everyone out with the unlimited skill of Basic Attack and let everyone win and earn those new skills to give them the next advantage.

 

2. New gear is always nice.. but restricted to the arena only and blocking out all other gear... No thank you.

 

3. Seems like a lot of work.. we could just keep all the gear in the game a constant and allow it all in the arena.. K.I.S.S. !!!

 

4. Just no. All players can enter all arenas save for those that have already completed their 50/50 Novice arena wins.

 

Do you consider me a master of the arena since I have more wins that you do and am arguing with you? I think this whole ordeal you have going is just going to make the arena bland, like tofu.

 

Please please please PLEASE read this thread.. Just click here. Problem solved.  B)


Edited by gomezkilla, 29 June 2014 - 22:13.


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 19:46

1. We ALL have access to the same amount of matches except for the NEW players that have access to the NOVICE arena category. I'm not saying they can win them all, because they can't, simple fact that you are going to have to live with.

 

2. You are correct, players with 1000+ wins have more experience in the arena than a brand new player.. So we need to provide a win button to those that just start out? Where was that win button 6 years ago? Oh right, there wasn't one.

 

A bracket system would kill the arena. As Undjuvion posted earlier, if you look at the top arena player list and then look at the active arena players out of that, you'll get a small number for the highest tier.. Then take that number and see who will be on or who plays which level range of arena or who goes on vacation and you'll shrink that list down until the arena is at a standstill for them... Ipso facto, this would kill the arena.

 

3. I believe the challenge to beat the best and stay the best will suffice as enough interest for the arena to be active.

 

 

Well, if we are going to start the arena off from scratch can we start everyone else off from scratch level-wise too? I've fallen way behind in my monthly top 100 and I want to be #1 now.

 

1. Or we could leave it as is and start everyone out with the unlimited skill of Basic Attack and let everyone win and earn those new skills to give them the next advantage.

 

2. New gear is always nice.. but restricted to the arena only and blocking out all other gear... Hell, no.

 

3. Seems like a lot of work.. we could just keep all the gear in the game a constant and allow it all in the arena.. K.I.S.S. !!!

 

4. Just no. All players can enter all arenas save for those that have already completed their 50/50 Novice arena wins.

 

Do you consider me a master of the arena since I have more wins that you do and am arguing with you? I think this whole ordeal you have going is just going to make the arena bland, like tofu.

 

Please please please PLEASE read this thread.. Just click here. Problem solved.  B)

Again post my entire message and go off on the biggest tangent you can.  I had no doubt you would chime in on this one, since it makes the arena fair.  And anyone who reads this forum knows that you do not want to change the arena to make it better or fair for ALL.....but you want to make it better for you.

 

When players start to leave and the game folds, remember.....I TOLD YOU SO Gomezkilla!



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 19:54

Again post my entire message and go off on the biggest tangent you can.  I had no doubt you would chime in on this one, since it makes the arena fair.  And anyone who reads this forum knows that you do not want to change the arena to make it better or fair for ALL.....but you want to make it better for you.

 

When players start to leave and the game folds, remember.....I TOLD YOU SO Gomezkilla!

I'm confused... I read your post and commented on each key point you made. If you did not want to put them in the forum and to be commented on, then why post them?

 

And I am supporting the activity of the arena and supporting a few ideas that others have put in the forums to make the arena fair and active. I haven't played the arena in months, how will it be better for me?

 

Please answer my questions because I would like to know the answer.  B)


Edited by gomezkilla, 29 June 2014 - 22:14.


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 20:01

I still think even if u put a random number between 1-100 tier per arena going up by 100 lvl per tier u may have complaints that there is not enough arenas/players for several lvls here there

Edited by killafrog, 29 June 2014 - 20:03.


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 20:02


 

1. Or we could leave it as is and start everyone out with the unlimited skill of Basic Attack and let everyone win and earn those new skills to give them the next advantage.

 

2. New gear is always nice.. but restricted to the arena only and blocking out all other gear... No thank you.

 

3. Seems like a lot of work.. we could just keep all the gear in the game a constant and allow it all in the arena.. K.I.S.S. !!!

 

4. Just no. All players can enter all arenas save for those that have already completed their 50/50 Novice arena wins.

 

Do you consider me a master of the arena since I have more wins that you do and am arguing with you? I think this whole ordeal you have going is just going to make the arena bland, like tofu. 

 

Please please please PLEASE read this thread.. Just click here. Problem solved.  B)

I dont consider anyone a master, there are just players that have been here for 6 years and have arena gear setups saved for every level.  That's just called a HUGE ADVANTAGE.

 

First off, I'd have to ask which of your players you are asking me is a "master", you argue as gomezkilla is that who you want me to address?  Nevertheless,  I would still say no matter which of your players you are talking about....you are just out for yourself and care nothing about keeping the arena FAIR, or bringing in and keeping new players....which we NEED to keep the game alive.  That's why you are so mad about new gear........you would lose all those saved setups you have wouldnt you!  Nice job of adding in it would be a lot of work, you wouldn't be trying to convince the cows that its not worth it so you can continue to use your saved sets as your advantage would you???

 

 

 

If bland=fair then yes i would like a fair arena!!!!!!!!!



#180 gomezkilla

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 20:13

I dont consider anyone a master, there are just players that have been here for 6 years and have arena gear setups saved for every level.  That's just called a HUGE ADVANTAGE.

 

First off, I'd have to ask which of your players you are asking me is a "master", you argue as gomezkilla is that who you want me to address?  Nevertheless,  I would still say no matter which of your players you are talking about....you are just out for yourself and care nothing about keeping the arena FAIR, or bringing in and keeping new players....which we NEED to keep the game alive.  That's why you are so mad about new gear........you would lose all those saved setups you have wouldnt you!  Nice job of adding in it would be a lot of work, you wouldn't be trying to convince the cows that its not worth it so you can continue to use your saved sets as your advantage would you???

 

 

 

If bland=fair then yes i would like a fair arena!!!!!!!!!

You use a lot of colors.

 

Do you know how those players have setups for every level and know they work? They worked hard and tested every other possibility until they found one that won most of the arenas. That's called hard work. The new players could learn a thing or two by watching which is encouraged by everyone when first starting out in the arena!

 

You can address me however you want.  B) I am a merchant, I am out for profit, I am greedy, I want what is best for me in the game. In the forums, I want what is best for the community. The only setup I have saved is my offline setup so I can switch out of hunting crystalline quickly once I'm done with it. Again, I haven't entered an arena in months.. how would this benefit me?

 

And I added in that it would be a lot of work, well because it would be. Simple fact.

 

Bland = uninteresting = dead arena.

 

Again, please stop with the accusations. They aren't needed and they certainly don't help your argument.

 

Gomez.  B)


Edited by gomezkilla, 29 June 2014 - 22:14.



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