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#321 Olef

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 16:22

Have you seen the results of other game polls? Only a small fraction bother to vote.

Also pvprs tend to be a very tight nit group and communicate very well. They are actually pretty over represented here in the forums.

The best thing you can do with your single voice is convince BG. Tell him why xp loss is so important. He already knows it's a great tool to punish another player and make their FS life miserable. Answer that and how to minimize bullying and your one voice can prevent this change.

are you really not getting it?

"Answer that and how to minimize bullying and your one voice can prevent this change."

ONE VOICE should not be able to prevent or enforce a change ALONE!

ALL OUR VOICES should be able to prevent or enforce a change TOGETHER and for that to happen we need a game poll

 

you said "Also pvprs tend to be a very tight nit group and communicate very well." but to me it seems like you do not want all FS players to vote because you have your "own group" here in forum, why else would someone be against asking ALL FS players for their vote?

 

what about the other 100s of FS players who are not aware of this topic? just because the rest of the FS players do not know about this topic does not give a small group the right to make a decision, you are disregarding their vote and that is not right and everyone who is not understanding why all the players in FS should be able to vote on thiss, should better be banned from the forums so that they know how it feels to not have a vote, maybe then they will understand how important it is

 

someone who finds excuses to not let all players have a vote should lose his vote too



#322 justinian9

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 16:25

No, they are listening to the players that want to attack others, but are afraid to lose their levels.

 

Actually, "almost no XP loss" was implemented in the game once. The XP loss was so small that the same players, who always complained about "bullies", started to hit everyone around and send messages "ha! ha! what can you do now?". Both the pvp'ers and "other" levellers were unhappy, so they fixed/changed it back almost immediately.      

 

Why the question was "What is so important about XP loss?"? It could be "What is so important about XP gain?" and then they could work on making XP less valuable to all the players. Why the solution is adding some pvp xp/lvl that breaks everything in the system? Leave the current system alone (with gear, buffs, attack range, the BB, XP/LvLs loss, etc.) and add some other XP that counts towards GXP and Top XP ladders, determines which levelling area you can enter (but not lvl of equipment you can wear) and can't be taken by a PvP attack.  

I do not believe that you are correct.  I think that The Cows know much more about this subject then they are saying. 

 

I do not know much about a lot of things BUT 1 thing I know.  The Cows will not incorporate a change that they believe will harm the game. 

 

It might anger some players but they apparently are already dealing  with that from somewhere.  Their biggest concern (in my opinion) should be getting new players to join and stay.  If that means changing leveling or any other aspect of the game then they should do it.



#323 BadPenny

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 16:34

And I see we still have bickering.  This serves no purpose.  No amount of debate is going to stop this change, it's a matter of when, not if.  So the merits of XP loss vs no XP loss are moot.... We're supposed to be searching for solutions that will be best for all, not one side or the other.

 

 I have many friends here, not only PvPer's, but levelers, SE hunters, Titan hunters, etc.... Each and every one of us has a different style of play... That's part of what makes this game so successful, the diversity of the community.  

 

This change will eliminate a problem that has been here since day 1... people don't want to lose levels they worked so hard for.  I understand that more than you know.  I don't necessarily like being down levels all the time, it's just always been part of the game, but with this change, I might just catch up with my peers.  I can't see this as a bad thing.  

 

Those of you that think I have become a traitor to the PvP community, I have not.  I am still a hardcore PvPer, that will never change.  I just think that I have to stand behind what is best for the entire community.  

 

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#324 avvakum

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 16:37

Level: 509 <-- this one determines the level of equipment you can wear. XP/LvLs loss/gain remains as in the current system. 

 

VL: 524 <-- this one will determine the levelling area you can enter and your place on the top rated ladders. Can't be lowered by any PvP attack. Your further progression starts from this level, your "Level" will slowly catch up VL.



#325 avvakum

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 17:00

Their biggest concern (in my opinion) should be getting new players to join and stay.  If that means changing leveling or any other aspect of the game then they should do it.

 

I am all for getting new players to join and stay. But aren't they leaving before even trying any PvP now? Wasn't PvP restricted till some levels? The small change that can probably improve the environment for the new players is removal of all inactives from all the ladders, except the top 100 players joined the same month & Richest. All other ladders should serve as an additional motivation for the new players. If all the old players quit playing this game, the new ones will need few years just to see their names on the ladders. Fun? I doubt.   



#326 yotwehc

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 17:20

are you really not getting it?
"Answer that and how to minimize bullying and your one voice can prevent this change."
ONE VOICE should not be able to prevent or enforce a change ALONE!
ALL OUR VOICES should be able to prevent or enforce a change TOGETHER and for that to happen we need a game poll

you said "Also pvprs tend to be a very tight nit group and communicate very well." but to me it seems like you do not want all FS players to vote because you have your "own group" here in forum, why else would someone be against asking ALL FS players for their vote?

what about the other 100s of FS players who are not aware of this topic? just because the rest of the FS players do not know about this topic does not give a small group the right to make a decision, you are disregarding their vote and that is not right and everyone who is not understanding why all the players in FS should be able to vote on thiss, should better be banned from the forums so that they know how it feels to not have a vote, maybe then they will understand how important it is

someone who finds excuses to not let all players have a vote should lose his vote too

I could say much but I won't in the interest of big fonts and what BP said. I'm not advocating against the vote. Lol. Just saying that we have a real problem and you could be part of the solution. Sigh. All done here.



#327 Melons

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 18:11

So here is my reasoning why I don't agree with this PvPxp system.  Some of you might not agree, but this is my own opinion.

 

Losing xp in PvP is sorta like a tradition.  It has been going on since the game first started.  To the PvPers losing and taking xp has been a thing for a long time now.  So, what happens when you force these group of people to suddenly stop their tradition?  Well let's look at from real life too.  If a certain group of people were forced to change their ways, well, most would leave the country, others would protest, and some would try to adapt. When a change of tradition happens there is usually a mass migration of those people from the country to another.  I've talked to some of my friends, the majority of them have said they would quit the game if this was to happen. Even those who don't actively participate in PvP say they don't agree with this change, because it's sorta like a tradition to the PvPers.  So, the only thing I see happening if PvPxp is implemented a bunch of people quitting, some who would continue to protest against the change, and a few who would try to adapt. 



#328 Mzzery

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 19:20

I've no idea why a risk of losing 5 levels is so bad. I'm honestly sick of this whole discussion, but I'll just say this one more time (and yes, it's still my 2 cents).

 

I have seen a load of levelers say they'll get rich now, because they can hit anyone for gold, risk-free. 

I saw someone mention that "pvpxp" or whatever it's to be called, should be needed to attack and take gold... but if "pvpxp" is riskfree to get, then how is that even a hurdle? Levelers won't care about that pvpxp, and pvpers sure don't, so it's pointless to even bother making that some sort of hurdle to grab gold. Gain it, use it, lose it... so? That's something lots of people do with prestige already.

 

The next bunch of people that will be screaming "bullies!" are the merchants, since they no longer will be able to sell potions for gold, and when that happens, all potions will cost FSPs..... then we'll have a whole new rant in the forums about how expensive the potions and stuff got all of a sudden, and how hard it is for people to level without breaking their bank, unless they have enough max-stams to make the gold back when they hunt.... oh wait... they won't have any gold after they hunt, since everyone in range will be stealing it, risk-free.. 


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#329 Jonathan69

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 21:02

this topic seems to be like most , there are a few who post & cry about something .  lets change this , lets chage that & if you do we will loose many players . most in my guild have said they will stop playing if pvp is changed as what a few wont it to be . all we need to get  more involved in pvp are better rewards  . look at the smashers medal how many have better then silver in the game not many becouse you can only 100 stam on the bb & ladder for it to count . before all hits counted & you dont see many going for the medal past bronze . when you change some thing like this players wont get as involved to gain a higher medal or other rewards if it's not worth it to them . i lost 35 levels in a 18 hour time frame to get my bronze smashers medal & in a few days leveld back up ..if it's worth the time & risk others will too . same with pvp i'm close to my bronze now & would love to have more join in the ladder as it is fun & even more with others to compet with . too many changes will kill the trhrill you get when you have nothing to loose !



#330 Algoa

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 22:50

Is there going to be a skill reset involved?  Im sure many players will wish to cange their skill tree once such a major change is made !!!


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#331 yotwehc

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 22:53

Is there going to be a skill reset involved? Im sure many players will wish to cange their skill tree once such a major change is made !!!

Say the poll is done and the final result is 501-499 either way. Will you be satisfied? Will the big fonts stop?



#332 BadPenny

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 23:00

Is there going to be a skill reset involved?  Im sure many players will wish to cange their skill tree once such a major change is made !!!

 

make a game poll and let us 1000 FS players give our vote and decide, not just the 25 forum posters!

Algoa, I love you.... You're my guildie, and a lot more besides.... HCS is not going to let the general public decide this issue.  XP loss is a thing of the past, and will leave the game soon.  The only thing we can do is move forward and play the game by the new rules.  Demanding a poll at this point would only serve to incite a riot


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#333 wil72

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 23:00


make a game poll and let us 1000 FS players give our vote and decide, not just the 25 forum posters!

 

Decide on what? I thought the decision had already been made. And this thread was about how best to implement it.

 

Go for it Cows, test it on a beta server and let the games begin. :)

 

Cheers.

 

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#334 j3k

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 00:33

didn;t read the whole thing but this beta server keeps popping up during peoples conversation in this thread so imo i think hcs should make a "beta server" and let the pvp'ers try it out to spot any flaws 

 

ill edit this post once i read this whole thread


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#335 maxdragon

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 00:53

a few things I want to say:

  • a game poll is needed, we need to know how the whole community, how all of us (the ones playing fallen sword) think about this change + give their vote
  • to all of you against letting the whole community vote and letting them in the dark on purpose, this shows your "true" character, I am glad I have never called one of you a friend, I am amazed how you can even post about letting your fellow fallen sword mates in the dark and not giving them the opportunity to vote on this subject
  • important and huge changes were discussed in forum + we, the whole FS community were given the option to vote (to accept the changes or not, our oppinion matters!) and it worked fine, that is one of the reasons why FS has survived for so long, thank god HCS is not like you, HCS cares about us players, HCS cares about our oppinions and HCS lets us vote and for that I am very thankful to them and besides who are you guys anyways / with which right do you want to keep our fellow fallen sword mates in the dark about this huge decision that concerns them too by being against a game poll?

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#336 uncola

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 01:01

Well if not a Poll at least put someone thing on the homepage where players get informed on whats going on about possible future changes so that they read on it. Even if they are refused a vote they should gain knowledge about this and other news; that's just some common decency.



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Posted 29 September 2014 - 01:15

only a small portion of fs has said they wont this change , but thats the way it goes it seems .  before we all ways had a poll of yes or no if we wonted a change why not now ? it seems that all the changes are for a small group of fs didnt enough pvp player not voice there views enough to worent a poll ?



#338 yotwehc

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 01:21

Not sure where anyone advocated for no poll but the accusations fly... My question is if there were a poll and it was 500-499 in favor of no xp loss, will you all accept it and support the idea going forward?



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Posted 29 September 2014 - 01:53

only a small portion of fs has said they wont this change , but thats the way it goes it seems .  before we all ways had a poll of yes or no if we wonted a change why not now ? it seems that all the changes are for a small group of fs didnt enough pvp player not voice there views enough to worent a poll ?

Sugar, I don't want this change either, and I have publicly stated this. The thing is, this change is coming, we have no choice...BigGrim has stated as such in Global chat.  XP loss is going away.  Let's stop debating this and come up with ways to make this work right, instead of sniping at each other and blaming others for this change, it's not really anybody's fault 


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#340 avvakum

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 02:14

XP loss is a thing of the past, and will leave the game soon.  

Don't give up that easily Penny! They don't have any decent idea of how to change it without making it worse. 




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