Read my post above.
PvP-Ladder Sollutions.
#61
Posted 22 September 2014 - 14:20
#62
Posted 22 September 2014 - 14:45
Explain why XP loss is so important then?
Why was XP loss introduced if it wasn't "important"? I would like to know what was the idea behind putting it in place to begin with
#63
Posted 22 September 2014 - 14:47
These are the posts that catch my eye.
As per the Quote from myself above, Hoofmaster and I are still considering the original system with PvP rating to completely replace the Ladder. I do personally believe the Ladder has failed.
One thing we are also thinking is that XP loss from PvP would be removed. We simply believe it causes most, if not all, the issues people have with PvP. For those who inevitably cry foul at this, I ask you :
WHY is XP loss in PvP so important? What does it add?
Keep answers civil and respectful.
As a leveler I would be fine with this. This could even get me personally to get into more of the pvp side.
I would have some of the same questions/concerns as Badpenny though.
#64
Posted 22 September 2014 - 14:48
XP loss is neither here nor there to me, as level doesn't convey status in the game to me... However, it does to many others and has always been a bone of contention. To take it out of PvP entirely is a bold move. Would this kill the bounty system? I hope not... Would XP loss still apply on the BB? I would hope so, it's there for punishment, is it not? And how about prestige, will that go out the window as well? That, at least, was a good idea in my book and I would hate to see it gone I probably have other thoughts and questions, but I have no cream for my coffee and cannot think clearly atm. I shall turn up again later
xp loss to you..no big deal..most of the rest of the players..big deal..and bb a punishment ?..since when...almost everytime i get hit pvp style..i get a pm asking to be put on the bb, double the pain for defender..lose gold getting hit...lose more posting on bb.....does not sound like a punishment to me..??? no..bb is not a puinshment as most pvpers beg to be put on it, they just sit in the area they are in killing champs to easily get xp lost back..no punishment..it also, does not help a player get out of attack range....i agree tho about xp loss on the bb...prestige should stay...gold theft increased....
#65
Posted 22 September 2014 - 14:50
Explain why XP loss is so important then?
Some players' feedbacks:
"I could care less about PvP or gold for the most part, but taking XP for a justified (at least in my mind) reason is one of the better aspects of this game."
from other forums about FS:
"PvP in this game pretty much sucks. The only significant fun to be had from that side was deleveling people for revenge"
#66
Posted 22 September 2014 - 14:56
These are the posts that catch my eye.
As per the Quote from myself above, Hoofmaster and I are still considering the original system with PvP rating to completely replace the Ladder. I do personally believe the Ladder has failed.
One thing we are also thinking is that XP loss from PvP would be removed. We simply believe it causes most, if not all, the issues people have with PvP. For those who inevitably cry foul at this, I ask you :
WHY is XP loss in PvP so important? What does it add?
Keep answers civil and respectful.
what point is to PvP *edit* IF *edit* you take the most important factor which is XP loss?
same is you saying creatures will not give any xp for leveling , both things would make pvpers and levelers angry
Edited by kitobas, 22 September 2014 - 15:00.
#67
Posted 22 September 2014 - 15:02
So answer the question. Why is xp loss the most important factor? No false equivalences please. Not talking about xp gain but xp loss.what point is to PvP is you take the most important factor which is XP loss?
same is you saying creatures will not give any xp for leveling , both things would make pvpers and levelers angry
I say it is to harm other players for doing something wrong or in some cases for doing nothing at all. That is what makes pvp exciting. Hurting annother players gaming experience for whatever the attacker feels is a just cause.
#68
Posted 22 September 2014 - 15:15
WHY is XP loss in PvP so important? What does it add?
It adds reason, risk and consequence.. taking XP loss out of pvp would destroy pvp for everyone but gold thieves and friends exchanging love taps.
#69
Posted 22 September 2014 - 15:15
"PvP in this game pretty much sucks. The only significant fun to be had from that side was deleveling people for revenge"
So basically to abuse someone? Not what PvP should be about.
what point is to PvP *edit* IF *edit* you take the most important factor which is XP loss?
same is you saying creatures will not give any xp for leveling , both things would make pvpers and levelers angry
I'm sorry but that is nonsense. XP Loss should not be the most important thing. As it is, XP loss is being used to ruin other players game experience.
I say it is to harm other players for doing something wrong or in some cases for doing nothing at all. That is what makes pvp exciting. Hurting annother players gaming experience for whatever the attacker feels is a just cause.
And that sounds like EXACTLY what is wrong with PvP. You want to hurt someone for no reason.
It adds reason, risk and consequence.. taking XP loss out of pvp would destroy pvp for everyone but gold thieves and friends exchanging love taps.
The return of of PvP Rating will give you reason, risk and consequence.
What I'D like to see.
XP loss would be removed as it is, quite frankly, detrimental to the game. PvP Rating would be reintroduced and PvP hits would be made for that. I would like to think that the more Stam used, the more Rating is taken. I'd also think that rating could alter according to the level of your opponent. If lower than you, less Rating gained. If higher, more Rating is gained. Rating can also be lost from the Bounty Board. You would still be able to damage your opponents durability and steal their gold.
#70
Posted 22 September 2014 - 15:41
Why was XP loss introduced if it wasn't "important"? I would like to know what was the idea behind putting it in place to begin with
This is a valid question... I'd like to know this as well
Just one old lady's opinion

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#71
Posted 22 September 2014 - 15:53
If xp loss will be taken out what will a PvPer get with that PvP rating thats gained? Medals, spot on top rated lists, high value items...?
Seems to me that it will just be something for people to exploit, trading hits, paying for rating etc. etc.
If there will be something to gain, people will abuse the system. If theres nothing to gain, well, will anyone be interested anymore?
Can you remember one hit bounties? ![]()
Edited by RedFinn, 22 September 2014 - 15:54.
#72
Posted 22 September 2014 - 16:06

#74
Posted 22 September 2014 - 16:14
This is a valid question... I'd like to know this as well
Before my time but it was implemented when the game was much smaller in it's playing field and was not so readily abused.
If xp loss will be taken out what will a PvPer get with that PvP rating thats gained? Medals, spot on top rated lists, high value items...?
Seems to me that it will just be something for people to exploit, trading hits, paying for rating etc. etc.
You mean like it is now with the Ladder? At least this would get more people actually trying PvP and giving it a go. Yes, you would still be able to gain the Smasher medals, yes you'd be able to buy the Ladder gear (and new gear) and top rated lists.
#75
Posted 22 September 2014 - 16:15
Thought that this was a "PvP game" so you must have the risk of getting attacked any second, sorry BG but this will bring the last of PvP to the ground, there is nothing more to remove from PvP IMO, except if you delete PvP itself, which I am afraid that this is what you will have to do if you keep listening to levellersXP Loss is being used to ruin gamers experience. Above we have a post that admits as much. It is the single most damaging thing in the game, generating huge amount of ill will. It's removal will only be for the betterment of the game.

#76
Posted 22 September 2014 - 16:18
What utter rubbish. In a thread where we have been outright TOLD that PvP is used to HARM other players experience, you think taking away XP loss is bad? Just with the XP Loss removed, you'll get more people willing to try PvP and you'll not have people BULLYING other players.
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#77
Posted 22 September 2014 - 16:26
Before my time but it was implemented when the game was much smaller in it's playing field and was not so readily abused.
Can we, then, have someone from "that time" answer our question?
I am really, really curious as to what was the thought behind putting XP loss into the equation.
#78
Posted 22 September 2014 - 16:27
Before my time but it was implemented when the game was much smaller in it's playing field and was not so readily abused.
You mean like it is now with the Ladder? At least this would get more people actually trying PvP and giving it a go. Yes, you would still be able to gain the Smasher medals, yes you'd be able to buy the Ladder gear (and new gear) and top rated lists.
Yes, like it is now, but with no xp loss which will only increase the abusing as no one will have even their xp to lose while doing it.
Should there be a new medal, or should it be the same one but with a reset?
Items bound, or non-bound?
Lots of work to do, I don't envy you mr Grim.
Edited by RedFinn, 22 September 2014 - 16:29.
#79
Posted 22 September 2014 - 16:28
Not again that " bullying " discussion cuz we will just go arounf in circles, isn't the rules of the game is that you can attack a person every hour ? Also I think removing XP loss will mean that attacks will no longer be bountied,,right ? So killing bounty board as there will be nothing in the game you can bountyWhat utter rubbish. In a thread where we have been outright TOLD that PvP is used to HARM other players experience, you think taking away XP loss is bad? Just with the XP Loss removed, you'll get more people willing to try PvP and you'll not have people BULLYING other players.

#80
Posted 22 September 2014 - 16:29
I only have one question:
does hoofmaster agree with removing xp loss from all pvp like you? (I asking this because I not seen hoofmaster for very long time in fallen sword)
if biggrim, you are honest person then you will not remove or change my post or suspend me for having opinion that is not same as you, forum all in world is here for players to write their opinion so please not removing my posting
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