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#221 yotwehc

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 23:26

 

No, the real question is why pvp xp loss is so important...

PVP XP loss is not important but the XP loss is important, that is what we have been telling the whole time

Why are pvp'rs so suddenly and viscerally defending victims rights.

as I said before you might not have done any pvp before because then you would know that a pvper is an attacker when he attacks and is a defender (victim) when he defends an incoming attack

and why would a pvper not defend a vcitims right?

what exactly do you think a pvper is? evil, bad, bully, ...

I am embracing fairness.

someone agreeing to a system knowing that the victim has no way to get his attacker punished is embracing fairness? really????

and do not you start with fairness, you were one of the first who were against letting all the community vote for the no xp loss system, you were one of those who wanted to keep all the other players who do not visit the forum in the dark about his change, do not you dare talk about fairness

I was one of the first to point out the exploit for gold. If, as currently architected,  it will be a gold free for all... market place is gonna sky rocket. I'm definitely gonna hit for gold based on the current idea. So ideas are being thrown out in how to curtail or control it so that there is real pain if thrown on to the BB.

 

Mary's idea would work if they were completely separate.

 

How do you know pvp xp loss is not important? That is what we are discussing and trying to make important. Read Doom's suggestion... would be very important. Why not provide feedback on how to make it important? Make it as important as leveling xp. and it's funny.. many pvp'rs say different things about leveling xp... it's so easy to gain back, xp loss is nothing, I don't care about xp... then you have a few that keep deleveling on purpose... I wonder why? I guess they are smarter since they don't have to buy new gear and just sit on champ and level up.

 

PVP in FS is PKing.. hitting an off line target with no buffs or hitting a player in hunting gear is challenging? even I can do that. Some PVP'rs have been honest and admitted that they like to make their victims cry. PVP'rs aren't evil, never said that. MAny of the best players are PVP'rs. But you have your rotten eggs that do things for the wrong reason. With the way things are now, can a PVP'r make another players life miserable? Can a guild attack a single player and make him lose many levels and a lot of gold/fsp to post all the attackers? Can those that have been posted be soft cleared by friendly guilds? If this change goes through, how does it change things for you? You can steal gold and you won't lose levels, yay! win! The victims you care about so much, I guess they will have to learn how not to keep so much gold on hand... Poor victim.

 

I have never advocated to not allow the community to vote. NEVER. You have already made two factual lies. My question on the point of letting the community vote is will you be satisfied? If vote comes in 500-499 in favor of no xp loss, will you be satisfied? Somehow I don't think so.



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 23:33

How do you know pvp xp loss is not important? That is what we are discussing and trying to make important. Read Doom's suggestion... would be very important. Why not provide feedback on how to make it important? Make it as important as leveling xp. and it's funny.. many pvp'rs say different things about leveling xp... it's so easy to gain back, xp loss is nothing, I don't care about xp... then you have a few that keep deleveling on purpose... I wonder why? I guess they are smarter since they don't have to buy new gear and just sit on champ and level up.

 

PVP in FS is PKing.. hitting an off line target with no buffs or hitting a player in hunting gear is challenging? even I can do that. Some PVP'rs have been honest and admitted that they like to make their victims cry. PVP'rs aren't evil, never said that. MAny of the best players are PVP'rs. But you have your rotten eggs that do things for the wrong reason. With the way things are now, can a PVP'r make another players life miserable? Can a guild attack a single player and make him lose many levels and a lot of gold/fsp to post all the attackers? Can those that have been posted be soft cleared by friendly guilds? If this change goes through, how does it change things for you? You can steal gold and you won't lose levels, yay! win! The victims you care about so much, I guess they will have to learn how not to keep so much gold on hand... Poor victim.

 

I have never advocated to not allow the community to vote. NEVER. You have already made two factual lies. LOL , I quote your post on page 11 here and I am the liar, very strange

My question on the point of letting the community vote is will you be satisfied? If vote comes in 500-499 in favor of no xp loss, will you be satisfied? Somehow I don't think so.

that is a very stupid thing to say

a dictactor could say the same thing you said: why voting, if the vote comes 50,1% to 49,9% in favor of ...... !!!

it does not matter, there still needs to be a vote, it is the peoples right !!

in fallen sword it is the players right !!


Edited by apedde, 04 October 2014 - 23:34.


#223 yotwehc

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 23:34

yotwehs, you say you embrace fairnes, lets see:

in forum http://forums.hunted...lutions/page-16

 

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 12:10

big changes like this should be voted by us FS players, usually there would be a poll in game and we would have to give our vote if we are for or against the change.

 

I find it disrespectul that this decission was taken from us and the forum posters here (about 25 different posters) had their opinions heard,

I think this game has about 500 players active now, at least that is what is showing as online players, I do not know how many players in total play, I guess maybe a bit over 1000 (I looked at top20 guilds so there may be more)

what about my vote? what about the other 975 votes? or do we not count?

 

we the 1000 FS players are the ones playing the game, we the 1000 FS players are the ones spending our $$ to play this game (I know that this game is free and that not everyone donates), we the 1000 FS players have a vote in this change and each and every vote of us 1000 FS players should be equal to the 25 forum posters!

 

even if you all 25 forum posters are for this change it should not be decided by only you, we the 1000 FS players have a vote too!

it is extremely unfair and disrespectul that at most 1/40 (25 out of 1000) of all FS players had their say on this matter, I was shocked to hear that a big decission was going on in the forum, many players like me do not even come to the forum (this is my first post here)

 

if this change got decided by only these 25 forum posters and later implemented then you disregarded the other 975 FS player votes!

 

make a game poll and let us 1000 FS players give our vote and decide, not just the 25 forum posters!

 

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yotwehc Posted 28 September 2014 - 16:52

Have you seen the results of other game polls? Only a small fraction bother to vote.

Also pvprs tend to be a very tight nit group and communicate very well. They are actually pretty over represented here in the forums.

The best thing you can do with your single voice is convince BG. Tell him why xp loss is so important. He already knows it's a great tool to punish another player and make their FS life miserable. Answer that and how to minimize bullying and your one voice can prevent this change.

 

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yes, yotwehc, you are really embracing fairness lol tongue.png , giving excuses so that there is no voting poll for the whole community, there are still many players, maybe hundreds who do not know about this no xp loss change and people like you are the reason why they are kept in the dark !

Don't stop reading... Keep going through the thread:

I could say much but I won't in the interest of big fonts and what BP said. I'm not advocating against the vote. Lol. Just saying that we have a real problem and you could be part of the solution. Sigh. All done here.

 

Say the poll is done and the final result is 501-499 either way. Will you be satisfied? Will the big fonts stop?



#224 tharzill

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 23:34

that is a very stupid thing to say

a dictactor saying why voting, if the cotes comes 50,1% to 49,9% in favor of ...... !!!

it does not matter, there still needs to be a vote, it is the peoples right !!

in fallen sword it is the players right !!

Sorry, but in FS it is Hoof's right. 



#225 justinian9

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 23:37

Please send me a link to those players rights.



#226 yotwehc

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 23:39

that is a very stupid thing to say

a dictactor could say the same thing you said: why voting, if the vote comes 50,1% to 49,9% in favor of ...... !!!

it does not matter, there still needs to be a vote, it is the peoples right !!

in fallen sword it is the players right !!

Where in my quote did I say the community MUST NOT VOTE? lol

I was telling the other player that he would have a much better chance to directly influence change with a creative idea. Much like what Mary is doing.

 

Believe it or not, yes, I would be satisfied. As long as we keep pvp protection :)

I'm quite happy with the system right now but I wasn't when I was a poor wee little player. I did not have the resources to buy xp protection. I am fighting for the wee little players. This change does not effect me either way (Except the new version will have me wasting stam attacking people for gold).



#227 wil72

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 23:55

How do you vote on a decision that has already been made? Are these threads not a discussion on how best XP loss removal is best implemented? If it is to be removed that.......is.

 

Cheers.

 

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 00:10

it is like talking to a wall with you yotwehc, nothing I or anyone says will ever persuade you, this is my last post

 

in many pvp forums it is always the same very very few players (just a handful), 1% of the community who are against xp loss and/OR are against letting the community know of the changes and vote

 

these very very few players = yotwehc, justinian9, pardoux, yodamus, crippla

 

if you look at the number of players that are in favor of the xp loss system then it is evident that the vastly mayority is for the xp loss system !!

 

you do not want the community to vote because you know they will not accept the no xp loss system change

 

prove me wrong and accept for the community to vote

(some **** might post after me, I do not need to prove anything, to him: that says "everything"  about yourself (character)

 

ps: the no xp loss system will do more harm to the game, players leaving (I might be one of them, some friends left recently), AH prices explode on gold market place too (good luck with that), "new bullies" appear, ...... this no xp loss system is not a good chage but will only makes things worse

have a nice weekend, I am out, too much headache here and time better spent with friends, see you



#229 yotwehc

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 00:17

it is like talking to a wall with you yotwehc, nothing I or anyone says will ever persuade you, this is my last post

 

in many pvp forums it is always the same very very few players (just a handful), 1% of the community who are against xp loss and/OR are against letting the community know of the changes and vote

 

these very very few players = yotwehc, justinian9, pardoux, yodamus, crippla

 

if you look at the number of players that are in favor of the xp loss system then it is evident that the vastly mayority is for the xp loss system !!

 

you do not want the community to vote because you know they will not accept the no xp loss system change

 

prove me wrong and accept for the community to vote

(some **** might post after me, I do not need to prove anything, to him: that says "everything"  about yourself (character)

 

ps: the no xp loss system will do more harm to the game, players leaving (I might be one of them, some friends left recently), AH prices explode on gold market place too (good luck with that), "new bullies" appear, ...... this no xp loss system is not a good chage but will only makes things worse

have a nice weekend, I am out, too much headache here and time better spent with friends, see you

Pot, meet Kettle. (Fellow wall)

 

Again, I have never advocated for no community vote. My Issue is it won't make a difference. If no xp loss wins 500-499 will your attitude change? If XP loss wins 500-499, my attitude will change. Then I will advocate for more pvp since it's righteous with the community!

 

Also, if the vote actually does come in that close, then I think we should opt for option 1 of Mary's OP. No interaction. Both camps will definitely be happy and half can stay in open world PVP whilst the other can stay in no xp loss land...



#230 wil72

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 00:26

I despair :( Everyone is looking at this as though XP loss removal is a given. I don't think it is and I don't think anyone else should. Hoof, the owner of the game, the real decision maker has made comment with regard to these "for and against" threads, if you can call them that, and stated he will look at ALL info provided. Continually arguing, and I'm afraid this is what's happened, rather than debating the pros and cons of XP loss removal is, again in my opinion, detremental to the whole issue. Us, the folks that play FS, have a great opportunity to have a say in a huge change in the game. Continue the debate, suggest ideas, look at the bigger picture. Please.

 

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

 

Did I say "please"? No way! :P


Edited by wil72, 05 October 2014 - 00:34.


#231 tharzill

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 01:20

I think that the change to the xp loss system to PvP xp loss only would be good for all. PvP players will have something to work for (earning PvP levels) and levelers will not have to worry about losing hunting levels. This may even get die hard levelers (like myself lol) to go back to some PvP. If all I have to worry about is PvP xp, then I'm way more likely to give it a go. 

 

My two cents. Ok, with today's economy, my 1 and a half cents worth!  :P



#232 Altiger

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 03:10

the removal of xp from pvp is insane and only bring trouble

 

many years ago I did pvp and got my bronze dominance medal and bronze bounty hunter medal, after more updates making pvp safer I changed to being a full time leveler and did some potion selling.

 

my last pvp action in the last 3 years was 3 x 10 stamina prestige hits (I returned prestige hits from levelers) and I have 0% progress on my bronze smasher medal (HCS can tell you about my 0% progress on my bronze smasher medal)

 

since 3 years I have been only a pure leveler, if I get hit for gold, I bounty and the attacker loses his xp (I read about PvP XP and some say make it as valueable as XP, if PvP XP gets as valueable as XP then why you need a new system (removing xp loss), very stupid)

 

if I decide to sell potions again then I can only do that where there is xp loss, which potion seller would be crazy to sell potions for gold when xp is removed? we potion sellers would sell for FSPs (safer for us when everyone can attack us and not lose xp when we bounty him, we potion makers would be one of the victims of this stupid system)

doubler 500 sells for 40k gold in our system now, when xp loss is removed doubler 500 will then sell for 1 FSP

victims will be low level and new players who will not be able to afford to buy our potions

 

if you want to pvp without xp loss then nobody is keeping you, you do not need a new system, you have GvG and Arena, you get rewards if you win and there is no xp loss

 

removal of xp might sound good for the first seconds but once the brain starts working it only shows that it is bad for different reasons

 

I did not read all 12 pages, skipped many but saw that it is really always the same 5-7 people pushing for the removal of xp, like I said, GvG and Arena gives you what you want

 

I as a leveler (for over 3 years) and part potion seller will not accept a system that is a disadvantage for me, potion sellers, low level and new players

 

my two cents



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 03:16

A high level and long lasting Deflect could help out the potion dealers.. And look! Another potion to brew and deal :)

 


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Posted 05 October 2014 - 03:38

A high level and long lasting Deflect could help out the potion dealers.. And look! Another potion to brew and deal :)

DEFLECTRIFICATION!


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Posted 05 October 2014 - 09:15

the removal of xp from pvp is insane and only bring trouble

 

many years ago I did pvp and got my bronze dominance medal and bronze bounty hunter medal, after more updates making pvp safer I changed to being a full time leveler and did some potion selling.

 

my last pvp action in the last 3 years was 3 x 10 stamina prestige hits (I returned prestige hits from levelers) and I have 0% progress on my bronze smasher medal (HCS can tell you about my 0% progress on my bronze smasher medal)

 

since 3 years I have been only a pure leveler, if I get hit for gold, I bounty and the attacker loses his xp (I read about PvP XP and some say make it as valueable as XP, if PvP XP gets as valueable as XP then why you need a new system (removing xp loss), very stupid)

 

if I decide to sell potions again then I can only do that where there is xp loss, which potion seller would be crazy to sell potions for gold when xp is removed? we potion sellers would sell for FSPs (safer for us when everyone can attack us and not lose xp when we bounty him, we potion makers would be one of the victims of this stupid system)

doubler 500 sells for 40k gold in our system now, when xp loss is removed doubler 500 will then sell for 1 FSP

victims will be low level and new players who will not be able to afford to buy our potions

 

if you want to pvp without xp loss then nobody is keeping you, you do not need a new system, you have GvG and Arena, you get rewards if you win and there is no xp loss

 

removal of xp might sound good for the first seconds but once the brain starts working it only shows that it is bad for different reasons

 

I did not read all 12 pages, skipped many but saw that it is really always the same 5-7 people pushing for the removal of xp, like I said, GvG and Arena gives you what you want

 

I as a leveler (for over 3 years) and part potion seller will not accept a system that is a disadvantage for me, potion sellers, low level and new players

 

my two cents

Once again... no player pushed for no XP loss. BigGrim stated it in another thread.   If the Cows have changed their minds about xp loss then there is a good reason for that.  We are trying to explore ideas to assist HCS in structuring a new PvP system.  My Personal view... I dont see an issue with no XP loss



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 10:05

 

in many pvp forums it is always the same very very few players (just a handful), 1% of the community who are against xp loss and/OR are against letting the community know of the changes and vote

 

these very very few players = yotwehc, justinian9, pardoux, yodamus, crippla

 

if you look at the number of players that are in favor of the xp loss system then it is evident that the vastly mayority is for the xp loss system !!

 

you do not want the community to vote because you know they will not accept the no xp loss system change

 

prove me wrong and accept for the community to vote

(some **** might post after me, I do not need to prove anything, to him: that says "everything"  about yourself (character)

 

 

I'm not against the community voting ... ALL I have said on that is that community votes are just as accurate as forum votes and can be slewed either way.

 

Bottom line is, you (and others) can ask for, nay DEMAND a vote on this, but that isn't your call to make.

 

IF the cows want a vote on this, I'm sure they'll call for one, but BG has already SAID xp loss is going and that Hoof is on-board with that. Until one or both say otherwise, I'm gonna accept that as a statement of fact.


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Posted 05 October 2014 - 13:42

Not to be the voice of reason or anything, but people, listen to each other, and yourselves.... 

  1. XP loss is going, no way to change this.... We have no say, no vote... end of story.
  2. New consequences?  The old way didn't really work, did it?  Did losing levels stop me from stealing your gold?  No, actually, it spurred me on to steal more ;)
  3. The ladder... it FAILED!  It was doomed from the start.  We don't need it, the new system will make a new way for us to be recognized for our achievements...

​Please, this bickering and clamoring for a vote has to stop.  Maybe this idea will fly, not saying it won't, just seriously doubting it.  Can't we just try to get along and try to let HCS develop a solution that will be best for all?  Regardless, there will always be somebody who is unhappy, we have to think of the greater good here... Unless you just want to give up and quit... I do not... I shall stay, regardless of how the chips may fall.

 

Thanks for letting me share

 

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#238 tharzill

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 14:49

I have to agree with you BP. HCS has already stated xp loss is going to go. Why keep arguing? So far I have seen two good ideas put forth to replace it... this one (Mary's) and Shardoom's. I think they both have merit, but it will be Hoof and Co. that makes the final decision. I may like one a little better than the other (and no, I'm not saying which! lol) but I will accept whatever Hoof, BigGrim, and the others decide. 



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Posted 06 October 2014 - 05:22

HCS, will be good if you guys say what system you like the most, and ask for suggestion so we can work on the same page, we are putting our efforts on things that propabilly will not happen, let us know what you guys are thinking about all that, and we can give you our players side.



#240 mary4ever

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 08:24

guys, please stay on topic and stop the bickering !!!!

 

to those who say xp loss is going away or why the discussion ! ====> then why do you even bother posting here

 

if you guys post here then please stay civil, on topic and ask about the system sugested in this topic, thanks !!!!


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