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#241 hittokiri

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Posted 07 October 2014 - 17:03

it has been years since I last visited the forum

 

PvP with NO XP LOSS is the worst idea I have ever heard that was mentioned in FS

 

if you are afraid of PvP with XP LOSS then you have 2 options in FS to still do PVP:

  • go play the PvP Arena, there is NO XP LOSS for you
  • go play GvG, there is NO XP LOSS for you

leave PvP with XP LOSS, you crippled PvP over the years and the pvp updates are proof of that

I am a leveler, do not take part in PvP, did a lot of GvG in the past because I choose to PvP with NO XP LOSS

 

fallen sword gives you the option to play PvP with XP LOSS (ladder, normal pvp, bounty board) and PvP with NO XP LOSS (arena, gvg)

 

for a PvPer removing XP LOSS from PvP is like for me as a LEVELER removing XP GAIN from LEVELING

both things would destroy the game and upset pvpers and levelers

 

forcing XP LOSS on arena and GVG is WRONG

forcing NO XP LOSS on ladder, normal pvp, bounty board is WRONG

 

it is no wonder that many pvpers and some levelers are against this NO XP LOSS because if you use your brain a little you will notice what a bad thing that is

do not just think that the NO XP LOSS will affect PvP (bouny board inactive, who would waste money to post an attack if there is no punishment, constant attacking because of no punishment, ......), it will affect many other aspects of the game (think of AH prices, think of marketplace listings, think of the gap between new players and EOC getting bigger => decline in new players staying, EOC should be hard to reach but with NO XP LOSS there will be many at EOC, and many other reasons why NO XP LOSS is a bad thing for the game, use your brain and you will find out)

 

it is no wonder that many players are against the NO XP LOSS because some are using their brains, make a voting in game and NO XP LOSS will not get accepted because the mayority here in FS uses their brain

 

this NO XP LOSS idea can only get accepted if there is NO VOTING in the game

 

if this bad idea of NO XP LOSS gets officialy accepted then I will be one of many to quit, others will adapt, others will quit after seeing the terrible consequences the the NO XP LOSS, others will be happy BUT FACT is: there will be less players due to "long-year" members qitting



#242 yotwehc

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 08:41

it has been years since I last visited the forum

PvP with NO XP LOSS is the worst idea I have ever heard that was mentioned in FS

if you are afraid of PvP with XP LOSS then you have 2 options in FS to still do PVP:

  • go play the PvP Arena, there is NO XP LOSS for you
  • go play GvG, there is NO XP LOSS for you
leave PvP with XP LOSS, you crippled PvP over the years and the pvp updates are proof of that
I am a leveler, do not take part in PvP, did a lot of GvG in the past because I choose to PvP with NO XP LOSS

fallen sword gives you the option to play PvP with XP LOSS (ladder, normal pvp, bounty board) and PvP with NO XP LOSS (arena, gvg)

for a PvPer removing XP LOSS from PvP is like for me as a LEVELER removing XP GAIN from LEVELING
both things would destroy the game and upset pvpers and levelers

forcing XP LOSS on arena and GVG is WRONG
forcing NO XP LOSS on ladder, normal pvp, bounty board is WRONG

it is no wonder that many pvpers and some levelers are against this NO XP LOSS because if you use your brain a little you will notice what a bad thing that is
do not just think that the NO XP LOSS will affect PvP (bouny board inactive, who would waste money to post an attack if there is no punishment, constant attacking because of no punishment, ......), it will affect many other aspects of the game (think of AH prices, think of marketplace listings, think of the gap between new players and EOC getting bigger => decline in new players staying, EOC should be hard to reach but with NO XP LOSS there will be many at EOC, and many other reasons why NO XP LOSS is a bad thing for the game, use your brain and you will find out)

it is no wonder that many players are against the NO XP LOSS because some are using their brains, make a voting in game and NO XP LOSS will not get accepted because the mayority here in FS uses their brain

this NO XP LOSS idea can only get accepted if there is NO VOTING in the game

if this bad idea of NO XP LOSS gets officialy accepted then I will be one of many to quit, others will adapt, others will quit after seeing the terrible consequences the the NO XP LOSS, others will be happy BUT FACT is: there will be less players due to "long-year" members qitting

Funny. I could've sworn I had no choice way back when:
"fallen sword gives you the option to play PvP with XP LOSS (ladder, normal pvp, bounty board) and PvP with NO XP LOSS (arena, gvg)"

I think Mary's option 1 idea is truly where you have a choice. The only issue is more people will try pvp on the soft side.

The other good idea is make xp protection very low cost so even those with less means can opt out. Very little coding required. That should minimize abuse.

#243 kitobas

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 16:30

Funny. I could've sworn I had no choice way back when:
"fallen sword gives you the option to play PvP with XP LOSS (ladder, normal pvp, bounty board) and PvP with NO XP LOSS (arena, gvg)"


I think Mary's option 1 idea is truly where you have a choice. The only issue is more people will try pvp on the soft side.

The other good idea is make xp protection very low cost so even those with less means can opt out. Very little coding required. That should minimize abuse.

 

you have choice: if you play pvp with arena or gvg then you do not lose xp, I never heard anyone losing xp in arena or in gvg

I do not understand what you mean, can you explain?

 

you saying: ++++ I think Mary's option 1 idea is truly where you have a choice. ++++

but marys option 2 give you choice too, why you think that marys option 2 not give you a choice?



#244 yotwehc

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 16:44

you have choice: if you play pvp with arena or gvg then you do not lose xp, I never heard anyone losing xp in arena or in gvg
I do not understand what you mean, can you explain?

you saying: ++++ I think Mary's option 1 idea is truly where you have a choice. ++++
but marys option 2 give you choice too, why you think that marys option 2 not give you a choice?

When I get attacked via pvp, do I have a choice? Arena and ladder are choices. You can choose to participate or not. Normal pvp? Not so much.

Option 2 protects the attacker. It's a choice for a worse system then now so your right, it is a choice.

#245 kitobas

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 16:59

When I get attacked via pvp, do I have a choice? Arena and ladder are choices. You can choose to participate or not. Normal pvp? Not so much.

Option 2 protects the attacker. It's a choice for a worse system then now so your right, it is a choice.

I think you not understanding this choice what saying here

in option 2:

you choice to be on soft or raw pvp system, you can never lose xp if you are on soft doing pvp with one exception, you choosing to attacking raw player, then you losing xp on BB, if you not want losing xp then only hit soft

if you on soft and raw player hitting you then you lose no xp

 

I copy this from mary:

raw hits raw => raw BB

raw hits soft => soft BB

soft hits soft => soft BB

soft hits raw => raw BB



#246 Pardoux

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 21:42

A better solution, IMO, would be :-

 

Soft hits Soft = soft BB

 

Soft hits Raw = soft BB

 

Raw hits Soft = raw BB

 

Raw hits Raw = raw BB

 

After all, those "raw" players continually profess not to care about their XP loss and those "soft" players will care about their pvpxp.

 

Of course, I don't expect any pvp'rs to agree with that - 'cos they still want to be able to take levels if anyone dares to hit them back ;)

 

That is if both ..

 

1. BG adopts this system

 

and

 

2. Interaction between raw and soft is integrated - which I don't think it should be. Soft should only be able to hit Soft and Raw should only be able to hit Raw.


Edited by Pardoux, 08 October 2014 - 21:43.

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#247 yotwehc

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 21:45

A better solution, IMO, would be :-

Soft hits Soft = soft BB

Soft hits Raw = soft BB

Raw hits Soft = raw BB

Raw hits Raw = raw BB

After all, those "raw" players continually profess not to care about their XP loss and those "soft" players will care about their pvpxp.

Of course, I don't expect any pvp'rs to agree with that - 'cos they still want to be able to take levels if anyone dares to hit them back ;)

That is if both ..

1. BG adopts this system

and

2. Interaction between raw and soft is integrated - which I don't think it should be. Soft should only be able to hit Soft and Raw should only be able to hit Raw.

Genius!

#248 Trailman

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Posted 09 October 2014 - 00:32

As a leveler I would be against all XP loss being removed from the game. I believe most levelers would also be against XP loss being removed from all parts of the game. When someone hits us for gold while hunting levelers want a way to hit back and because most PvP'ers have already dumped the gold, levelers want something in return. That something is the XP loss they suffer while on the BB. As I stated in BG's thread (pg13) I would be fine with a cheap XP protection for gold which we could use both while hunting and for longer durations as needed. I do think that ladder hits should not involve XP loss nor should they be bounty-able but that is just my opinion.


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#249 BigGrim

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Posted 09 October 2014 - 10:09

I have removed a hell of a lot of pointless bickering and a few flamey attacks. I DO NOT want to see it start up again.



#250 Gutie

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Posted 10 October 2014 - 09:25

I was going to go on a semi-rant about how ridiculous all the whining is from some parties. But out of respect to BG, I'll keep it short and as curt as possible.

 

I can openly state that I've never had an issue with going back to the old PvP system.

 

I've even been in support consistently for the old PvP rating leaderboards and basing pvp tokens and other such bonuses off of that, as well as making pvp prestige more rewarding and able to be used via slider system rather all in one go.

 

I could continue at length, but I'll just make a seperate thread later today rather than hijacking this one to grandstand.


Edited by Gutie, 10 October 2014 - 09:26.

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#251 kitobas

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 05:02

it has been years since I last visited the forum

 

PvP with NO XP LOSS is the worst idea I have ever heard that was mentioned in FS

 

if you are afraid of PvP with XP LOSS then you have 2 options in FS to still do PVP:

  • go play the PvP Arena, there is NO XP LOSS for you
  • go play GvG, there is NO XP LOSS for you

leave PvP with XP LOSS, you crippled PvP over the years and the pvp updates are proof of that

I am a leveler, do not take part in PvP, did a lot of GvG in the past because I choose to PvP with NO XP LOSS

 

fallen sword gives you the option to play PvP with XP LOSS (ladder, normal pvp, bounty board) and PvP with NO XP LOSS (arena, gvg)

 

for a PvPer removing XP LOSS from PvP is like for me as a LEVELER removing XP GAIN from LEVELING

both things would destroy the game and upset pvpers and levelers

 

forcing XP LOSS on arena and GVG is WRONG

forcing NO XP LOSS on ladder, normal pvp, bounty board is WRONG

 

it is no wonder that many pvpers and some levelers are against this NO XP LOSS because if you use your brain a little you will notice what a bad thing that is

do not just think that the NO XP LOSS will affect PvP (bouny board inactive, who would waste money to post an attack if there is no punishment, constant attacking because of no punishment, ......), it will affect many other aspects of the game (think of AH prices, think of marketplace listings, think of the gap between new players and EOC getting bigger => decline in new players staying, EOC should be hard to reach but with NO XP LOSS there will be many at EOC, and many other reasons why NO XP LOSS is a bad thing for the game, use your brain and you will find out)

 

it is no wonder that many players are against the NO XP LOSS because some are using their brains, make a voting in game and NO XP LOSS will not get accepted because the mayority here in FS uses their brain

 

this NO XP LOSS idea can only get accepted if there is NO VOTING in the game

 

if this bad idea of NO XP LOSS gets officialy accepted then I will be one of many to quit, others will adapt, others will quit after seeing the terrible consequences the the NO XP LOSS, others will be happy BUT FACT is: there will be less players due to "long-year" members qitting

I agree with this post and not only pvpers are against NO XP LOSS but many levlers too

go read other forums too, you see levelers wanting XP LOSS for staying in game

always same very few people for NO XP LOSS in PVP

mayority I seen posting in forums are for XP LOSS



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Posted 13 October 2014 - 00:04

too many players (X times more than the few ones who want to remove XP LOSS) are for keeping XP LOSS and HCS should listen to the mayority (in the end it is the choice of HCS)

 

I work as a mechanic and I have to listen to my customers because without customers I would not get any money

 

the customer is KING

 

same applies to HCS, you can ignore us players and listen to the few but the consequence will be many unhappy customers leaving


Edited by suderlon, 13 October 2014 - 00:09.


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Posted 13 October 2014 - 01:45

Let Penny try to be the voice of reason.... we have a small percentage of the population of Eldirath complaining about another small percentage of the Eldirath population... Fallen Sword is a business.... Even small percentages have an impact on the bottom line.  I don't like these changes, but I can try to empathize with these players... They are being beleaguered and we all are paying for it,  It's not fair, but, as in real life, in this virtual world, life ain't always fair...In fact, it rarely is... Let's just stop beating a dead horse and move on....

 

 

Thanks for letting me share


Edited by BadPenny, 13 October 2014 - 01:45.

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 02:32

Let Penny try to be the voice of reason.... we have a small percentage of the population of Eldirath complaining about another small percentage of the Eldirath population... Fallen Sword is a business.... Even small percentages have an impact on the bottom line.  I don't like these changes, but I can try to empathize with these players... They are being beleaguered and we all are paying for it,  It's not fair, but, as in real life, in this virtual world, life ain't always fair...In fact, it rarely is... Let's just stop beating a dead horse and move on....

 

 

Thanks for letting me share

Too bad you cannot copy this post somewhere in the forum and just copy and paste for all these posts that say the same thing.  I tried responding but every time i tried it came out flaming so I did not



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Posted 13 October 2014 - 03:19

my last forum post was one year ago, I rarely visit the forum, I vote in game

 

I am a leveler and am 100000000% for xp loss


Edited by PrimeBr, 13 October 2014 - 03:20.


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Posted 13 October 2014 - 03:39

There is a thread for posting your opinions on XP Loss "Here's what I think about PvP and XP loss"   The subject in this thread is "FINAL SOLUTION for BOTH parties." 

 

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#257 yotwehc

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 07:04

my last forum post was one year ago, I rarely visit the forum, I vote in game

 

I am a leveler and am 100000000% for xp loss

Awesome! a leveler! although odd quote in profile "Attacking with 10 of Sta for PvP Prestige."

 

But at least your in a famous leveling guild.



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Posted 13 October 2014 - 09:01

my last forum post was one year ago, I rarely visit the forum, I vote in game

 

I am a leveler and am 100000000% for xp loss

 

Awesome! a leveler! although odd quote in profile "Attacking with 10 of Sta for PvP Prestige."

 

But at least your in a famous leveling guild.

not you yotwehc again, do you come here to pick on players or to have fights?

primebr only said his opinion about the xp loss in pvp

 

there are tons of levelers who do 10 stam prestige hits, they do that to get up to +10%xp for their next hunt (there are levelers who trade prestige hits)

 

some leveling guilds have pvpers too and some pvp guilds have pure levelers too

 

if you post here then do not attack players, primebr only gave his opinion, mary and biggrim keep saying to stay civil



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Posted 13 October 2014 - 12:58

not you yotwehc again, do you come here to pick on players or to have fights?

primebr only said his opinion about the xp loss in pvp

 

there are tons of levelers who do 10 stam prestige hits, they do that to get up to +10%xp for their next hunt (there are levelers who trade prestige hits)

 

some leveling guilds have pvpers too and some pvp guilds have pure levelers too

 

if you post here then do not attack players, primebr only gave his opinion, mary and biggrim keep saying to stay civil

Is the issue that he pointed out the crew that he is in?



#260 RebornJedi

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 13:15

The issue is that this forum has become a rough setting for discussion.. Lots of players tearing apart players instead of focusing on the topic.. Lots of pointless, negative posts..

Don't focus on the character of the person you think you know.. Focus on the topic and point of the thread or post..

Some are ready with their gasoline instead of with a source of water..

 



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