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#141 Calista

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 21:04

That was me... you can use my name in forum if it is true that I did it.  I did it.  Now lets discuss what I did.  A player posted in FS Box that he was going to list 2 players and was paying 10 FSP per level lost.. so i looked at the bounties.. I saw that the player listing them was in a solo guild and then i looked at the 2 players .. I made the determination that I would help out the player in the solo guild... and I did .. I took 2 levels.  Yes, it was 100 stamina hits,  Was the FSP tempting, Yes it was.  If you wish to say i took it for the FSP I can live with that. (EDIT: To be honest I was happy to get the 20 FSP)

 

Another story.... a few days later this same players posted the same message in FS Box, but when i looked he had left his solo guild and was in a crew... I did not hit on those bounties.

 

I do not consider defending solo players as Hypocritical on my part. I have done it in the past and I will do it again.

 

If anyone questions my actions in game just ask... its a game folks, i don't take this stuff to heart. 

 

Awww, so you had a good reason to take 20 fsp to delevel someone you knew nothing about? It's justified because you have a good reason, in your own mind? Newsflash, most of us have a perfectly good reason for what we do in this game. My question to you was.... Why is it okay when you pvp and the rest of us are the evil ones?


 


#142 Pardoux

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 21:15

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Justinian9 referring to completing a bounty ? - and not PvP'ing random folk  ??


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#143 justinian9

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 21:23

Awww, so you had a good reason to take 20 fsp to delevel someone you knew nothing about? It's justified because you have a good reason, in your own mind? Newsflash, most of us have a perfectly good reason for what we do in this game. My question to you was.... Why is it okay when you pvp and the rest of us are the evil ones?

I do not wish to hijack this thread with this discussion.  I only posted in here as you had used something I did as an example and thought I should list what I did.  If this is important enough for you to want to discuss start a new thread I will respond when I get time



#144 Davros81

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 21:24

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Justinian9 referring to completing a bounty ? - and not PvP'ing random folk  ??

yes, yes he is



#145 avvakum

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 21:25

That was me... you can use my name in forum if it is true that I did it.  I did it.  Now lets discuss what I did.  A player posted in FS Box that he was going to list 2 players and was paying 10 FSP per level lost.. so i looked at the bounties.. I saw that the player listing them was in a solo guild and then i looked at the 2 players .. I made the determination that I would help out the player in the solo guild... and I did .. I took 2 levels.  Yes, it was 100 stamina hits,  Was the FSP tempting, Yes it was.  If you wish to say i took it for the FSP I can live with that. (EDIT: To be honest I was happy to get the 20 FSP)

 

Another story.... a few days later this same players posted the same message in FS Box, but when i looked he had left his solo guild and was in a crew... I did not hit on those bounties.

 

I do not consider defending solo players as Hypocritical on my part. I have done it in the past and I will do it again.

 

If anyone questions my actions in game just ask... its a game folks, i don't take this stuff to heart. 

I don't see any problems if you are ok to lose your levels for 20 FSPs. Any guild has a right to make it "unprofitable" for mercs to hit its members for profit. 



#146 yotwehc

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 21:29

How would you go about discouraging a persistent prestige hitter? Or is your advice to sit back and deal with it because it's really no big deal? 

How to discourage? With existing tools in FS, I can't. As many folks decry "crying" (which I think is a 2 way street but somehow only leveler's are "cryers"), I have never done that. Never opened a ticket, never complained to the attacker, never spoke to the attacker. What would your suggestion be? I hope it's not a "become a pvper too so you gain some respect" response. How prestigious is it to go after someone with a 0 rating vs a top 250 pvp'r?

 

It is a "big deal" for me. My goal is to reach EOC. What is the attackers goal? In my case, I'm not sure... I watch some of them and they just happily float between x level to x+80 level never venturing beyond.

 

Once I do hit EOC,  I will start PVP'ng like a madman so I can be deleveled. Much more fun then committing harikiri against a SE over and over. As in the exploit with the no xp loss system where I planned to be a unapologetic gold thief, I plan to be an unapologetic pvp'r taking advantage of the loophole where I want to lose levels.



#147 avvakum

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 21:32

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#148 Calista

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 22:12

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Justinian9 referring to completing a bounty ? - and not PvP'ing random folk  ??

 

no, it wasn't for clearing the bounties. It was for each level taken, in addition to the bounty reward.

 

I do not wish to hijack this thread with this discussion.  I only posted in here as you had used something I did as an example and thought I should list what I did.  If this is important enough for you to want to discuss start a new thread I will respond when I get time

 

Or just say you don't have a good answer.  Which btw, is relevant to the discussion going on in this topic. It makes no sense to point fingers when you're just like the rest of us.  gigglesmile.gif

 

How to discourage? With existing tools in FS, I can't. As many folks decry "crying" (which I think is a 2 way street but somehow only leveler's are "cryers"), I have never done that. Never opened a ticket, never complained to the attacker, never spoke to the attacker. What would your suggestion be? I hope it's not a "become a pvper too so you gain some respect" response. How prestigious is it to go after someone with a 0 rating vs a top 250 pvp'r?

 

I've already given an example in this topic of how I used the game mechanics to deal with prestige hitters. There are several avenues players can take. It's just never enough for some. And it's never going to be enough to make everyone happy. PvP has been watered down by multiple changes made over the years. I could lie and say I'm sorry that Grim's proposed changes were thrown out. But it would be just that, a lie. There is a purpose for xp loss in this game. It's always been that way and it's the one thing pvp'ers have always been told would not be changed. What we've been doing to the game isn't working. Hopefully HCS can come up with something that works for most. But that's the closest their ever gonna get. That's just life.


 


#149 Altiger

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 22:37

prestige hits have been in the game for many years, you can do 10, 11, ........ 100 stam prestige hits, most I have seen are 10 stam

even if you get 100 stam prestige hit, your attacker loses 2 times the xp (you lost from his attack) on the BB if he gets cleared with 10 stam, if he gets cleared with 100 stam then he loses 200 times the xp on the BB

either way the attacker can not avoid losing more than you on the BB, prestige should stay as it is (there are not only pvpers hitting for prestige, levelers do prestige hits too and I get by far more attacked by levelers for prestige than from the pvpers)

you will soon see many levelers hitting for prestige, even those who have in their bio >attack = BB<

 

whats next? making prestige hits not bounty able or not take any xp lol

 

We won't be removing xp loss from normal PvP and the ladder will be completely replaced by the new tournaments. I don't think we'll be changing how Prestige works :)


Edited by Altiger, 21 November 2014 - 22:41.


#150 RebornJedi

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 22:40

mercs aren't evil


Edited by RebornJedi, 21 November 2014 - 22:40.

 


#151 yotwehc

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 22:40

I've already given an example in this topic of how I used the game mechanics to deal with prestige hitters. There are several avenues players can take. It's just never enough for some. And it's never going to be enough to make everyone happy. PvP has been watered down by multiple changes made over the years. I could lie and say I'm sorry that Grim's proposed changes were thrown out. But it would be just that, a lie. There is a purpose for xp loss in this game. It's always been that way and it's the one thing pvp'ers have always been told would not be changed. What we've been doing to the game isn't working. Hopefully HCS can come up with something that works for most. But that's the closest their ever gonna get. That's just life.

 

 

There is no such thing as a safe hit in PvP. There is suppose to be a risk...

 

If this were true, I would agree... prestige hitters are a smaller issue then the pvp gangs. prestige hitters will get their due punishment as you mentioned, unless they are part of a pvp gang OR have no interest in leveling.

 

What is the risk if you WANT to delevel? As you said, there is supposed to be risk and for a player that is just interested in staying in a certain band and also have a gang of like minded folks behind them, there is little to no risk.

 

No way to discourage, no?



#152 RebornJedi

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 22:40

why aren't 10 stamina attacks unbountyable yet? they only take 1% of a level


 


#153 RebornJedi

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 22:42

the ladder doesn't involve the bounty board and that still holds risk.. i can smash you down a level with 1000 stamina.. how much does it take to gain that level? ... 


 


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Posted 21 November 2014 - 22:48

why aren't 10 stamina attacks unbountyable yet? they only take 1% of a level

Something should discourage the hitter. 



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Posted 21 November 2014 - 22:49

It takes me approximately 3000 stam for a level


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#156 RebornJedi

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 22:53

a 100 stamina back can discourage a hitter... could toss in the revenge attack into 10 stamina attacks.. which would allow for the victim to hit back with 100 stamina and take 10% or less XP - due to Honor, Bastion, and the Protection enhancement... < that hit wouldn't allow the second victim (the initial attacker) to bounty the attack..

 

someone keeps hitting me with 10 stamina every hour, i'll toss a handful of hourly 100 stamina attacks when i get the chance.. they hit me for ten hours with 10 stamina attacks, i'll do 10 100 stamina hits to take one level for the HUGE 10% of a level they took from me over the course of 10+ hours.. 


 


#157 RebornJedi

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 23:00

It takes me approximately 3000 stam for a level

the same for me when not using too many Epic potions.. but with the amount i level, i can see a couple global quests pass before i burn my stamina pool.. so i can burn less..

 

it's really easy to take a level or five from a player.. compared to how much it takes to earn a level at the MAJORITY of all the levels.. think about that... lets just say at level 500+ it takes around 3k to earn a level.. 2.5 for a random average.. thats the majority of the levels in this game so far and it keeps growing.. it takes 500 stamina to take a level on the bounty board!!!

 

why is the punishment for PvPing so harsh? and why do some players still want that harshness?

 

i was REALLY REALLY excited about the XP loss removal.. i finally thought, here we are going to see a vibrant PvP aspect that could grow into something even bigger...

 

think about what type of MMOs you like to play and how you'd like this game to work with how the combat and buff/potion system works.. what type of PvP would you like to see? one where you get to mainly smash level.. or one you get to actually battle with another player using the expansive mechanics of Fallen Sword...


Edited by RebornJedi, 21 November 2014 - 23:01.

 


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Posted 21 November 2014 - 23:16

jedi, you keep making sugestions like for example:

 

why aren't 10 stamina attacks unbountyable yet? they only take 1% of a level

with the final intent for the removal of xp *edit* loss *edit* from the game

 

if you dislike xp loss that much then you can still pvp without losing xp

in many different forums players said that people who want to pvp with no xp loss should play the arena or gvg

arena and gvg have no xp loss, the new pvp tournament will have xp loss and it will not force everyone to join, it will be opt-in like the ladder


Edited by Altiger, 21 November 2014 - 23:22.


#159 Calista

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 23:20

If this were true, I would agree... prestige hitters are a smaller issue then the pvp gangs. prestige hitters will get their due punishment as you mentioned, unless they are part of a pvp gang OR have no interest in leveling.

 

What is the risk if you WANT to delevel? As you said, there is supposed to be risk and for a player that is just interested in staying in a certain band and also have a gang of like minded folks behind them, there is little to no risk.

 

No way to discourage, no?

 

You want an honest answer? How I have and would deal with people trying to lose levels is harsh compared to what most would do. But it's a perfect example of where the risk would be and how I've seen it work to discourage people who want to lose levels.

The way I've always dealt with self delevers is pretty simple. They want to lose levels and are attacking me or my friends to get that to happen. I'm going to take their xp and knock them out of sets to make it harder for them to hit, and then I'm going to go after the people in the same guild as the self deleveler who care about their xp. The people who are supporting the person who is attacking to lose levels. The people who can put some pressure on the self deleveler to knock it off. That's the kinda thing that has led to several guild wars that come to mind. I'm from a pvp guild where we work together and have each others backs when necessary. That does not make us a gang. It's not my job to tell other guilds how to run things. But being in a guild with other players is a conscious decision made by every player before they accept an invite or apply to a guild. So anyone in a guild supporting players like that should expect to get dragged into it.

There are ways to delevel without going after other players to do it. But players think it'll be fun to take on the evil doers for the short time they want to lose xp.  Until they get more then they bargained for.That's how HCS ends up dragged into things time after time. Not because we start it, but because players don't think things through before jumping.


 


#160 RebornJedi

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 23:22

the Arena and GvG aren't the same as the PvP Ladder, Bounty Board, or open world PvP..  you know it.. and i know.. and everyone knows it.. it's a silly, pointless suggestion.. 

 

I WANT TO BE ATTACKED!!!.. i don't want to screen shot a setup and toss me into a blender of mysterious and fog surrounding mechanics!! i don't want to hit a player 25 times every two minutes and never get hit back by the same guild!


 



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