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#1 Anonemesis

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 02:18

There's some people who enjoy standing around all day clicking a button like a stock broker...me not so much if we could cut out the middle man and sell our already fragmented fragments [no different then buying items to fragment from people] that'd be great as I have a huge stash that most likely will never get used at the current snale pace rate composing currently is at if not I'll deal but figured I'd suggest it for those who don't care about composing


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#2 peterzhou

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 02:36

hmm...that sounds interesting, but it could be easily abused. There's a reason why the GE frag stashes are bound.



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Posted 10 January 2015 - 03:14

hmm - a marketplace, but for frags...

 

it would greatly benefit me, therefore i am for it



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Posted 10 January 2015 - 03:24

Suggested many times and ruled out many times ... (was even ruled out as an idea when composing was being designed)


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#5 Anonemesis

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 03:27

I'm not sure I see the problem with this idea...unless you bound all frags as a whole...your essentially allowing people to sell frags regardless be it your personal ones, or items you give to people...it's like mairjuana the government regulates it making it harder to sell...but people still sell it...why not legalize the selling of fragments and make it easier for everyone instead of creating a obstacle that makes no sense you can't say it's okay to sell it this way...but not another way they should be sellable both ways that's just hypicritical...if anything we'll have ourselves a new currency to work with I do understand the GE stashs were meant to entice people to use the compose system...but composing takes too much time and progresses to slow for my tastes, its just not for everyone, but selling fragments is as who's not interested in making money?...so if you used your GE stashs to compose...cool...but if your like me who rather have more money in their pocket then be able to make a crappy potion...that's fine also...[note not all potions are crappy if your poor]


Edited by Anonemesis, 10 January 2015 - 03:35.

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#6 peterzhou

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 03:40

Hi Anonemesis, I understand where you're coming from, and I would also love to make fragments trade-able for my own self-benefit as a composer; however, again, the GE frag stashes are too easily abused. People could illegitimately get their hands on a hoard of fragments during GEs, and the price of frag items would be driven way down, hurting frag farmers and stopping the current gold sink. Imo, the trade-offs are much too high.

 

This is just my 2 cents  :)



#7 Anonemesis

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 03:51

Hi Anonemesis, I understand where you're coming from, and I would also love to make fragments trade-able for my own self-benefit as a composer; however, again, the GE frag stashes are too easily abused. People could illegitimately get their hands on a hoard of fragments during GEs, and the price of frag items would be driven way down, hurting frag farmers and stopping the current gold sink. Imo, the trade-offs are much too high.

 

This is just my 2 cents  :)

That's when free market comes into play, but that's up to the players to determine, if frag prices drop then people will compose more or not bother selling leading to a demand again...there will be short spikes after GE's but it will balance itself out as people will run out of fragments, or people will decide not to sell due to the low value causing a increase once again....we can also consider this for future GE's maybe not put so many fragments into the stashs, the Dev's are GOD, it is their job to determine what they put into the game they need to follow their game, do research and make informed decisions on market values, and the best thing about developing a game is that you can always test things you impliment and take out what doesn't work it's just all about giving it a chance...in my oppinion gold sinks aren't the problem either it's too few people have large amounts of gold [guilds especially]...no matter how you put it frags are being abused either way they weren't made for profit they were made for composing, people are abusing the core of what it was meant for either way so I say let everyone sell, or bound it all...at the very least it will show what people want more...a composing system...or FSP's...

my 3 cents ;]


Edited by Anonemesis, 10 January 2015 - 04:11.

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#8 yotekiller

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 04:55

The market price for frags is not the only reason this is a bad idea and not even the most important.  The reason frags are bound are so players wouldn't create multiple accounts to farm and/or collect GE frag stashes and then send them to the main account.  This would effectively give multiple rewards to the cheaters.  Broken down frags and frag stash rewards need to remain bound.  The cheaters and scammers affect everyone's game play, even if indirectly.


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#9 Anonemesis

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 12:12

The market price for frags is not the only reason this is a bad idea and not even the most important.  The reason frags are bound are so players wouldn't create multiple accounts to farm and/or collect GE frag stashes and then send them to the main account.  This would effectively give multiple rewards to the cheaters.  Broken down frags and frag stash rewards need to remain bound.  The cheaters and scammers affect everyone's game play, even if indirectly.

How are you level 1,539 and think that's the reason? They've monitored for multi-accounts since the beginning of the game way before fragments and I'm sure they still do,  No one would even bother making a second account just for GE Fragment stashs risking their main account that is the stupidest thing I ever heard...as formentioned with the marketplace I already explained the economy debacle no matter what it will fluxerate...infact all you've really said was people would make multi's for GE Stashs...I hate to tell you but unless you upgrade your second account enough its not going to earn you alot...which really doesn't bother me its a small price to pay to catch people with multi's

And again hypocrtial since players can already make other accounts and farm frags for their main account via items


Edited by Anonemesis, 10 January 2015 - 12:19.

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#10 hades8840

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 12:38

i never ever do frag global events as they dont benefit me as until recently i didnt compose and even now i keep forgetting..but if i could sell the frag drops from a event i would do them ...which as a whole benefits everyone more kills higher tier after all



#11 Filletminion

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 13:06

How are you level 1,539 and think that's the reason? They've monitored for multi-accounts since the beginning of the game way before fragments and I'm sure they still do,  No one would even bother making a second account just for GE Fragment stashs risking their main account that is the stupidest thing I ever heard...as formentioned with the marketplace I already explained the economy debacle no matter what it will fluxerate...infact all you've really said was people would make multi's for GE Stashs...I hate to tell you but unless you upgrade your second account enough its not going to earn you alot...which really doesn't bother me its a small price to pay to catch people with multi's

And again hypocrtial since players can already make other accounts and farm frags for their main account via items

 

 

 

trouble is with your option people would have no need to create multies at all they could pay low level players a pittance and get frags and others who have no interest. It would in fact lead to LESS game activity..as frag farmers would be out of business overnight.

 

Secondly ask yourself how it benefits you or others criticizing players for stating views on a forum? None of us are better than others all players and playing styles are needed for a healthy game. You have a grand total of 5 medals none of which have any indication of game skill or ability its almost like you have missed 3/4's of the game yet you can criticise a player who at least has played all of the game and has the medals to show for it...I know whose opinion I would value higher.



#12 yodamus

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 13:37

selling of frags..totally and completly a very bad idea...too many reasons to even put in the forums...multi's the #1 reason 



#13 yotwehc

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 18:28

Might as well give everyone no limit backpacks.

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Posted 11 January 2015 - 17:55

Selling our frags could have the same consequences that selling composed potions would.  It's too easy to abuse and manipulate this.  And, tbh, if I understand correctly, composing was designed to give us an item sink and gold sink, not for us to gain more profits.  I know a handful folks that don't compose with hundreds of thousands of commons (breathe. Chewy, dear), and they could make trillions if they could sell those.  We can sell the items and whatever stashes we run across, there is only a small profit margin there, but it does exist.  We don't need a new one.  

 

 

Those who don't compose should start, imo, grinding is tedious and time consuming, but at level 11 I'm already making some very sweet and useful potions, not only for my personal use, but the guild as well...  

 

 

Composing and our frags are pretty good as is.  The only thing we really need is a couple of buffs for composing and fragging.... one that gives a chance to double XP from composing,  and another that gives a chance of double frags from items  (make them bound specials, lvl 100, duration 60 min, cost starts at 25K each)... Call the first Master Alchemist, the second Salvage Boost (ok, my names are stupid, but the concept is nice)


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#15 BigGrim

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 11:14

Hi there.

 

Thanks for the feedback, however, this is not something we will be looking into at this time.

 

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